posted July 14, 2009 11:18 AM         

I read for a friend once who had his birth time literally 5 minutes off--it moved his Scorpio stellium into a different house (twrong house=6th, right one=7th), which made a huuuuge difference in his chart.

Accurate angles and degrees are crucial! Especially with synastry or transits.

If you do not have a 100% correct birthtime, please note that truthfully when you post a chart.

That way people who take the time and energy to look at what you've posted can adjust accordingly, looking at where slow-moving planets of the No Birthtime person fall into your houses or aspect your chart (even this could be inaccurate, degree-wise, if you just have the other person's birth date and not exact time/place.) They won't consider things like a tight Sun-ASC conjunction, which are just wildly inaccurate with a made-up birth time for the ASC person.

posted July 14, 2009 11:44 AM         

It's just, if you KNOW one of the charts in a synastry you're posting on Lindaland has a totally fake birth time, let everyone know! That way we can read it accordingly.

If you KNOW that your own birthtime is fake and you have rectified it through a "guess the ascendent" thread, tell us when you post the chart.

posted July 14, 2009 12:32 PM         

Maybe I have a mystical view about it.
I wonder if there is a divine reason for our birthtimes to be recorded in such a way. What if our personalities reflect the birthtimes that are recorded on our birth certificates. Numerologists believe that our personalities reflect the names that are put on our birth certificates.
My mother could have easily given me my father's lastname,Scott as my last name. Instead, she gave me her last name,Andrews as my last name.

I have Sun conjunct asteroid,Scotti with 3 minutes of arc too.
how is that for Sun being the father.

my birthtime seems to work well for me.
The 12 Gemini sabian symbol for my Midheaven "Negro Girl Fights for Independence In the City" which seems to relate to not only being part Black on my father's side, but also a theme of being advocate,standing up for my rights and others. the newly discovered kuiper belt object dwarf planets, Eris sextiling it and Haumea square it seem to give a clearer picture in regards to what my Midheaven is about. Chiron conjuncts Eris,and it sextiles my Midheaven.
The asteroids,Africa and Africano are conjunct Eris and Chiron,and they sextile my Midheaven. They certainly add to the theme of Black/African heritage that my Midheaven shows.

I have skepticism about rectifications.

for one, uranian astrologers do rectifications, and they use the hypothetical planets in their system to rectify charts.

it's also possible that newly discovered kuiper belt objects could fill in the blanks when it comes to rectification

just like kuiper belt object,Pluto did.
just like the outer planets did.

rectification is not a modern technique, and it was used before the outerplanets were discovered

Vedic Astrologers use rectification without the use of the outer planets which aren't part of their system unless they are Neo-Vedic Astrologers. They use a different zodiac.

Sidereal Cyril Fagan Astrologers also do rectifications. Of course,they use the sidereal zodiac.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted July 14, 2009 01:01 PM         

I always thought I was 10:35 pm, then I read the hospital data sheet printed when I was born and it said 10:27.

It caused my Mars to move from the 5th house to the 6th, and into a very tightly exact quincunx to my ascendant. My MC/IC went from Taurus/Scorpio into Aries/Libra, now with an exact IC/Saturn conjunction.

I had to go to my Know Two Are Alike thread and edit a bunch of my aspects.

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posted July 14, 2009 09:52 PM         

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I like that idea. And it's consistent with some of the ways purely symbolic entities are used in astrology.

It;s not something that worries me too much.

It's more, since sooo many people post on LindaLand exploring the minutae of our synastry, if you KNOW FOR SURE you're inventing someone's birth time because, despite the fact that you are obsessed with him, you two are not close enough for you to ask him, TELL US in your post. That way no one will exclaim about how your exact Sun-Ascendant conjunction makes you Soul Mates, when actually, he could've been born ten hours later than the time you're using.

Just mention it in the post. Also, if you have no idea of your birth time and you are guessing your ascendent based on your looks, then your snug angle-conjunctions with your Soul Mate might not exist. You probably have the ASC wrong, and even if not, you for sure have the degree wrong, so just mention it in the post.

posted July 14, 2009 10:39 PM         

I did order his birth certificate from Louisiana. He was born in New Orleans.

The time of birth was not on his birth certificate. I was very disappointed because I wanted to know a lot more about my father through Astrology.

My mother never knew her mother. I got her mom's birth certificate for her. I figured that she was born in San Francisco which was her residence when she had my mother at a naval hospital in Oakland. I was right. All the birthdata was there too. I ended up getting an astrology natal report on her,and I gave it to my mother. I learned more about my grandmother through Astrology, and so I wanted to do the same for my father that I never knew. I was very disappointed. I even ended up calling the hospital where he was born, but no time was recorded.

Louisiana sucks for birthtimes.

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

posted July 15, 2009 07:17 AM         

In India, the time of birth is recorded as the time at which the head is seen/out. In the Middle East, its the time at which the umbilical cord is cut. One wonders, what would be the time to take then?

posted July 15, 2009 08:11 PM         

I checked and apparently 5 minutes later would put my ASC in Scorpio and not Libra. I have always thought that I look more Scorpionic than Libran. :/

posted July 15, 2009 08:23 PM         

Something like IQ's Soul Mate Calculator, especially since he uses such narrow orbs and planet-to-angle conjunctions are such an important element, would just be waaayyyy less accurate without a real birth time. Then again, if some countries calculate the birth time at first breath, others when the baby is finally fully delivered, etc...then even if accurately recorded, it would vary. And THEN of course there are things like different house systems, which change the placement of planets even if you have an accurate birth time. All of this increases my skepticism about astrology.

posted July 15, 2009 08:54 PM         

Although...your post suddenly made me think of placebos. In most clinical trials, placebos (fake pills, usually made of sugar) are just as effective in curing or treating illnesses as real medications, which are often expensive and chemically elaborate. Which is astonishing, if you think about it.

Maybe if I came on LindaLand and someone said, "Look, your exact yooyoo conjunction with his Venus means there's a 100% chance he wants you...AND, your natal Karma-Kaali conjunction means that once you turn 35 next month, you will suddenly be wildly happy for the rest of your life," and I for some reason believed that to be true, maybe I would live out and embody that--a sort of astrological placebo effect.

I am weirded out by the complicated role of belief and coincidence not only in astrology, but the hard sciences too.

Then again, it doesn't always work. Some bodies don't respond to either a placebo OR real medication...some people posting on LindaLand use synastry interpretation like a magic 8 ball, demanding another answer no matter how many people have weighed in, and when they hear what they were craving, needing to hear it again.

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some people posting on LindaLand use synastry interpretation like a magic 8 ball, demanding another answer no matter how many people have weighed in, and when they hear what they were craving, needing to hear it again.

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