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lionseye***
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posted July 17, 2009 04:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lionseye***     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry, meant Attitudes... I need a fricken personal editor..shheeesh...

Let's face it, we're all gonna die at some point. Some of us have had to deal with death more than the average person, or the death of someome so very important to us.

How do you come to terms with death? It always hurts, but we have to live on. So how have you coped with the death of someone important to you, or your own ..just kidding.... but really, one day you will die, so are you ready? Do you have any preconcieved expectations?

This may be a morbid thread, and I certainly don't want to offend anyone or make anyone paranoid by pointing out that they will die eventually...Just looking for your personal philosophy about death, whatever it may be. Hey, I have an 8th house sun, mercury & mars so please indulge me. I'm also interested to know if you have talked with or seen the dead.

Also, please mention your 8th house condition, as well as your Pluto placement, and what kind of relationship you have with Neptune and the 12th house.

thank you!

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Peri
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posted July 17, 2009 05:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
it's my biggest fear that someone I love will die, I have always feared it, always

I think I am not scared of my own death, I wanted to die (better to say was tempted to die)too many times and that has nothing to do with me being brave, I believe ... seems I am just too scared to live

Once I had a weird OOBE and I thought then that I had died and was a ghost so since that I am not scared of death but I am scared of pain and suffering and depression.

On the other hand I can think and talk about my own death and analyze my feelings about it over and over again but the reality is I cannot know for sure how I'd feel if I knew I was going to die tomorrow.

Pluto in the 8th
Neptune conj Moon in the 11th
empty 12th house
Sun on IC

added* I added IC because it rules graves ... and fetuses too btw.

Now I am thinking about a dream I once had about my deceased grandpa ... we talked about many things in that dream and it really surprised me when he told me that they have churches there too and they light candles for us just like we light candles for them/those who are not with us anymore, he also told me that their world is the reverse side of our world: when a person dies here, he/she is born there and vice versa.

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PeaceAngel
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posted July 17, 2009 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Peri, I think that's a natural (and common) fear. The worst. I don't fear dying, but I'm not ready to go yet. I fear knowing if it's about to happen. I've seen spirits all my life and even with that experience and understanding that this is not all there is, it doesn't really placate any sadness of continuing to live life without the presence of loved ones. We're still human beings, no matter how spiritual we are.

Neptune 0 degrees Sagi in 8th
North Node in Pisces in 12th

Not sure if these count but just in case:
Psyche conjunct Sun & AC
Spirit conjunct IC

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lechien
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posted July 17, 2009 05:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
i guess i don't fear death itself. but i don't want to die yet! there have been times that my life was so hard that i didn't want to live anymore, but then, not wanting to live anymore and wanting to die was a different thing. i didn't want to die.

death has not been something familiar in my life. since i am from a very small family, i did not witness death of family/relatives much. when grandpa died i was abroad. i was there when my paternal grandmother died, but i did not know her very well because i did not know my paternal relatives till i was an adult. so i was sad, but it did not overwhelm me...

when i was a little girl though, every night before going to bed, i cited all my family's names and prayed that they will be healthy, happy and live long lives.

Mars in the 8th house
Neptune conjunct Venus and widely AC, Sagittarius
Pluto in the 10th, conjunct NN
12th house empty but ruled by Scorpio
Mars Neptune Pluto is also part of the Kite formation with Moon in the 4th house

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milyi
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posted July 17, 2009 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for milyi     Edit/Delete Message
I have an 8th house Venus and Moon, Pluto in the 9th conjunct Saturn, Neptune conjunct south node in the 12th house. In a couple of years I have lost almost my entire family. The pain was unspeakable, at that moment I didn't think I could live anymore but I did. They say life goes on , it sounds stereoypical but it's true. I think about them, especially my mother, everyday. That being said I have to say I am not afraid of my own death, I believe in the afterlife, I'm quite curious about it actually
I see it as a transformation and I realized that a while ago when I took a test which required the participants to draw whatever they wanted starting from geometrical figures, including a croos (which was supposed to represent death , but I didn't know that) ,I drew a butterfly, the instructor was quite impressed that I had such a 'light' attitude about it.

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Yin
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posted July 17, 2009 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
I have a very unhealthy relationship with death. Every time something good happens in my life I want to die as to preserve the moment of happiness.
Pluto in the 8th conjunct NN
Moon and my chart ruler Uranus in the 8th
Neptune tightly conjunct my Sun in the 10th

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Benedict Moon*
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posted July 17, 2009 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
The loss of a loved one is something you never recover from IMO, but life goes on. And honestly, I don't think I'll ever be ready for my own death.

-Moon in the 8th trine pluto and neptune
-Pluto in the MC/trine mercury
Neptune in the 12th
Saturn (chart ruler) conjunct Uranus in the 12th house.

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lechien
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posted July 17, 2009 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
milyi i am terribly sorry abut your tragic loss! i cannot even imagine what you must have gone through...!! you are a strong person!

Yin that is quite unique... like a bizarre plot out of a French cinema.

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aerialcircus
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posted July 17, 2009 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aerialcircus     Edit/Delete Message
Ever since I was a little girl I've had a mellow relationship with death. It comforts me to imagine that when you die, your soul/energy/life force/whatever is returned to the air, and whenever a new creature is born, it's soul is created by pulling from that air. When we breathe in and out, we breathe in soul. I feel like everyone is a little of everything as a result, that we're all connected fundamentally. It's difficult sometimes to deal with missing the people I've loved who have passed, but then I just go out on the lawn and take a few good, deep breaths.

My son's father, D, died when he was 6 years old from drowning, but was brought back to life after 7 minutes. I wonder about people this has happened to, and how it affects their presence as living beings. D is definitely a kind of shadow-person, oddly zen and clairvoyant in ways he doesn't even realize. I wonder if that has to do with his having seen things in death that no living being should see? Has anyone here ever died and been brought back to life who doesn't mind sharing the experience?

In equal houses, I'm an 8th house Capricorn Moon squaring my 5th house Pluto in Libra. My 12th house (Taurus) holds my Mercury & Chiron, w/ Chiron trine my Moon. That 12th house Mercury is my chart ruler (Gem Rising), my Venus is in Pisces, and I have a 7th house Neptune conjunct my Lilith.

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Deux*Antares
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posted July 17, 2009 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deux*Antares     Edit/Delete Message
I used to be afraid of death. But the fear went away as I delved deep into studying different things related to existence and similar stuff. Then I came to the realization that the fear was only my EGO talking. The ego is so focused on our physical existence (because that's what its job is) that it thinks that when I die I will dissolve into nothingness, which is not a good thing, right? Or that I would end up in some place to receive perpetual punishment.

It's only when I learned how to give up control (Scorpio sun) that I began to understand better what life and death is all about, and that there is nothing to fear. Death is only scary if we don't know what it is. If you want to know more, don't look to science only or spirituality only.

Imho, death is not an absolute ending. Maybe just an ending of our present physical existence on this planet, yes. But there are still lots of places to go (or you can come back here if you want), lots of things to experience, lots of people to meet (ok maybe not people but entities/beings whatever if you choose a different place).

Death of a loved one is painful because it signals an ending to our physical relationship with them. But if we view death as nothing but a transition, that relationships are eternal, that we can still "connect" with them wherever they are, then it becomes less painful for us.

Being a Scorpio I have seen and experienced "death" in many forms. Metaphorically speaking, (I hope even the non-Scorpios can relate) it is possible to die and live again being in the same physical body, the only difference compared to actual death is that we still remember our pre-death experiences when we come back. LOL

Scorpio sun-moon in 6H
Neptune (ruler of 10H) conj Mercury (ruler of 4H) in 6H, sextiling Pluto in 5H (4H if using Equal)
Pluto is conjunct Venus (ruler of 12H)
Saturn in 1H (ruler of 8th)

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hippichick
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posted July 17, 2009 10:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hippichick     Edit/Delete Message
Wow!!!, I wanted to start a thread just like this, just yesterady, but could not.

I have been wondering about death all of my life.

I have never feared it, sometimes quite look forward to it, but always a curiosity to me and I used to think that in knowing about "death" life would be easier.

I have come to know...

We are born dying, since our first breaths as babes, we are dying, every moment of every day. Life would not be without death...pure and simple, the two polarities could not exist without one another.

I deal with death 36 hours a week as a critical care RN. I think, perhaps, I have became a bit detached where the emotional part of death is concerned as I see folks die all the time and I experience their deaths with their loved ones.

I have begged the question of "conciousness" that energy that makes us animate, alive! I see the infirm in comotose states all of the time and they are without conciousness, they are really a mere shell, a physical thing without life as we know it, just cells exchanging 02, the body conducting normal homeostasis.

I have taken one individual off life support that was still concious. Connie was her name. Long term scoliosis lead this, then 50th something lady to make the concoius decision to let be what will be, she could not breathe, had not been able to for many years and decided to let it all go....but eventually she slipped into "unconciousness", while her physical body still hung on, she was not really there....

A bunny died in my arms. That was so strange, going from life to nothing in a few minutes. What was was not....I felt her conciousness leave.

I still do not know what happens to us, to our beings, to our conciusness when we die..and I still want to, kind of. I question the existence of "soul" and "spirit" I do not subscribe to any religious affiliation, tho being raised protestant, heaven and hell still flirts with my mind.

All in all, I have come to know that we will die, someday, eventually and unless we are prepared to kill ourselves, we will not know, until the moment.

I have been thinking lately that we just cease to exist and it will not matter anymore, cause with our cessation of humanly existance goes our emotional attachments, our humanly love for our loved ones..it will just not matter anymore, cause we will not be human anymore.

But the very real concept of conciousness still bothers me....I totally understand the death of the physical being, but what becomes of our conciousness???

GREAT THREAD!!!

o, Scorp asc, Pluto in the 9th with a wide quin to Venus, Cancer on the 8th. Neptune in the 12th in Scorp, wide oppo to moon in Taurus, Pisces sun....DIVINE DISCONTENT!!!

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Glaucus
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posted July 17, 2009 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
My belief in reincarnation helps me comes to terms with death.

I grew up not fearing my own death.
One of the reasons was that I shared a near death experience when my mom was shot and I was with her at the time when I was almost 3 years old. As I got older, I was fascinated by death and as my mom questions about what is it like to be dead. By my teenage years, I began thinking that I would end up dying young.

After years of being in the navy, I became a semi-atheist. I lacked faith in God and spiritual things, but it wasn't out of skepticism. It was more out of bitterness. Even then, I wasn't afraid of dying. I thought death itself would just mean that I would never experience anything again,and so I wouldn't feel anything because I would not exist any more.

It was my grandfather's suicide that made me ponder about death again. That's what led me go on a spiritual/soul search that led me in metaphysical,New Age,New Thought things and believing in God again but as a pantheist.
I got more interested in reincarnation after reading books by Dr. Brian L. Weiss.

I admit that I always had fear of losing loved ones to death. Even now I fear of my own mother dying soon because of her health problems. After my grandfather's suicide, I made her promise to never do what he did because of her own history of depression and suicide attempts.

I was slow to embrace New Age,New Thought things because of my experiences as a special education student/neurodivergent and being a multiracial person that is part Black growing up minority in predominantly white USA.
I also believe that on the average, Black Americans are less likely to be into New Age,New Thought too.
I believe that many religious beliefs were misused to keep certain minorities,underdogs down whether they were racial,ethnic,religion,sexual preference,and gender.
I had problems with Christianity....especially Catholicism with my mom's father's family being traditionally Roman Catholic with their Portuguse ancestry.
I finally found a spiritual home,family in an interfaith unity church.

When I die, I want to be cremated and my ashes scattered from the Golden Gate Bridge.
That's what I imagined for myself even before my grandfather's death. He was cremated and his ashes scattered from the Golden Gate Bridge ..San Francisco Bay. I found that to be a very significant synchronicity, and we share a Moon in Pisces....I guess that factored into why I loved him most except for my mother.


I have retrograde Chiron in 10'32 Aries conjunct retrograde Eris in 12'15 Aries in 8th which sextile/trine Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius

Pluto in 0'51 Libra in 1st house
dispositor of Sun in 5'20 Scorpio conjunct South Eris Node in 5'30 Scorpio in 2nd, Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio conjunct South Mercury Node in 18'00 Scorpio and South Mars Node in 19'00 Scorpio in 3rd,
Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd,sextile Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd,contraparallel Sun with 46 minutes of arc

Heliocentric Pluto Nodes in 19'55 Cancer/Capricorn in 11th and 5th houses
trine/sextile Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio and Venus in 21'47 Scorpio

I think other objects are associated with death Ixion,Orcus, because they are plutinos, and so astronomers name them after Underworld characters which is the rule of naming for them

Death and transformation were associated solely with Pluto before the discovery of the kuiper belt

Plutinos are very similar to Pluto astronomically (2:3 mean motion resonance with Neptune),and so they are similar astrologically. Their orbit is only about a year different from Pluto's orbital period.

Orcus is named after Roman God of Death.
Ixion is named after father of the Centaurs, who was punished for Tartarus for his lust with Hera.
Rhadamanthus is named after a judge in the Underworld in Greek mythology. Huya is named after Wayuu rain god.


Ixion in 5'25 Scorpio in 2nd conjunct Sun in 5'20 Scorpio in 2nd, trine Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th,and quincunx retrograde Saturn in 5'08 Gemini

Heliocentric Ixion Nodes in 10'33 Gemini/Sagittarius in 9th and 3rd houses conjunct/oppose Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius, trine/sextile Lunar Nodes in 10'30 Aquarius/Leo in 5th and 11th houses

Orcus in 22'28 Cancer Retrograde in 11th trine Venus in 21'47 Scorpio in 3rd, contraparallel Sun with 1 minute of arc

Rhadamanthus in 17'32 Leo in 12th square Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd

Huya in 24'25 Leo in 12th oppose Mars in 25'54 Aquarius, parallel Ascendant with 24 minutes of arc

Heliocentric Huya Nodes in 18'56 Virgo/Pisces in 1st and 7th house sextile Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd

My Neptune is in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd
dispositor of and squares Moon in Pisces in 6th, opposes retro Saturn in 5'08 Gemini in 9th, sextile Pluto in 0'51 Libra in 3rd, contraparallel Saturn with 3 minutes of arc, parallel Mercury with 33 minutes of arc,and parallel Venus with

Heliocentric Neptune Nodes in 11'28 Leo/Aquarius in 11th and 5th houses
oppose North Lunar Nodes in 10'30 Leo/Aquarius in 5th and 11th houses, sextile/trine Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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nove731
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posted July 17, 2009 12:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nove731     Edit/Delete Message
I've only had to deal with death once in my life. When I was seven, my maternal grandmother died. Otherwise, I seem to have been spared thusfar.

I've never been around when a pet died, or in the case of my father's family, we've been out of contact since my birth (lol), and I only recently found out that my paternal grandparents (who I'd never met) died some years ago.

I'm not sure if that makes me "lucky" or what, but...It's only something that I've had to deal with once so far.

Aries on the 8th House Cusp
Sun in Aries (7th)
Mercury (Chart Ruler) in Taurus in the 8th House
Pluto in Scorpio (2nd House)
Mercury opposite Pluto
Mercury Sextile Jupiter (Cancer, 10th House) and Venus (Pisces, 6th House)
Mercury trine Uranus (Capricorn, 4th House)
Mercury trine Neptune (Capricorn, 4th House)
12th House Cusp in Virgo (also on 1st House Cusp)
Neptune conjunct Uranus
Neptune square Sun
Neptune sextile Pluto

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GypseeWind
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posted July 17, 2009 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, great thread.

Like Peri, my greatest fear is that someone I love will die.

A long time ago, my husband said, "I wouldn't even want to be around Gypsee if (he then named 3 people) should by chance go before her.

And all 3 did.

As I have said before 9 people have left this earth that were close to me in just over one year.

Several years ago, all four people that raised me died within 3 years of one another.

Oddly enough, my own death isn't even a passing worry or thought most days.
I've had 18 surgeries, and during 3 of them I watched from the ceiling, so I am pretty sure I was near death, if not dead for a moment.
Plus I have Lupus and RA, complicated by other factors that those two diseases have brought to the table.
I don't expect a long life, but if I get one than that is fine too, as long as my children are all still alive and I don't have, you know, agonizing pain.

After all these 9 funerals, I have decided to plan my own. How is that for morbid! Actually, I was just observing some of them, and knowing that the person was not even remotely recognized in the tone or theme or whatever you want to call it of their memorial, because of the LIVING, they would disapprove of music, or certain pictures being shown. Bah!
My daughter and her dad said they agreed and I better pick out the music, flowers and slide show, cause they wouldn't be able to think right at the time.
So I am! My brother is going to play guitar and sing "She Talks To Angels" by the Black Crowes for me. I have some other ideas set up, for music I mean.
And lots of slides, so that every person who meant something to me can see themselves and know I loved them.
I wanted a viking burial, but apparently, it is illegal.
So my ashes go in the Atlantic, off the ski-lift at Daytona Beach, Fl.
Is that really morbid, sorry if it is, I thought it was putting a happy spin to things. Didn't mean to depress anyone!

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posted July 17, 2009 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
oops forgot.

Sun and Venus are in my eigth house.

And Neptune, did you ask that? Neptune is in the seventh.

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Yin
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posted July 17, 2009 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message
Gypsee, I love you.
I think about that often too.
How I want to be cremated, where my ashes will go etc.
I want everybody to wear pretty colors for my funeral and not cry (if that's even possible)
I lost people very dear to me when I was too young and impressionable and I never got over that.
So I live knowing every minute of every day that somebody very close to me could die right now and there is nothing I can do to stop it. I expect death in the morning only to be relieved that it hasn't come yet by the evening... Do they call that depression? LOL.

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posted July 17, 2009 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Orange     Edit/Delete Message
I have a Venus and Jupiter in 8th and I am def not scared of death. I am scared of a terrible death, however. I wish mine is a peacefull one.
A strange thought once crossed my mind that I might have died but I wasn't aware of it yet. It sent chills to my back. I then threw the idea behind and resumed to my usual self.

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posted July 17, 2009 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message
I'm morbidly fascinated with my own death. Sometimes I will picture myself jumping over a freeway overpass when I'm walking across one or realize I could die so easily while riding my bike through the city. These aren't suicidal tendencies but they're very self indulgent ideas and very dramatic. Kinda explains having Leo Sun and Mercury in the 8th house squared by Pluto in the 11th house, and the cusp of my 12 house is Scorpio as well...

But on the other hand I am very paranoid about my loved ones dying, in fact I've always been more comfortable with my own death then someone else's.

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posted July 17, 2009 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message
Orange, I've also tripped myself out by thinking I was dead or dying when I was really just drunk...

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good girl
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posted July 17, 2009 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for good girl     Edit/Delete Message
lionseye:
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Let's face it, we're all gonna die at some point

(Time to show the freaky colors)*ahem* I strongly disagree.

Firstly I have pluto conj asc (uranus too)
ruler of an empy=ty 8th is pisces.
neptune is square mars

I have read that uranus believes it's own thoughts can create reality. I do. I believe people die because they believe they die, even when the say they don't it is so strongly programed that they can't over ride it. I don't believe in death because I believe reality to be a sort illusion, a sort holodeck and thoughts create it.
I don't fear death (having left my body in astral projection, the out of body is fun) if anything I fear pain, so a drawn out suffering is feared but not the end.
As far as death of loved ones, I believe our reality and there's is seperated only by awareness. Again, time and space being illusions.

*cricket chirping*......."where'd everyone go?"

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posted July 17, 2009 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bopbop     Edit/Delete Message
When I was very young I was afraid of dying, I'd have panic attacks about it. I had a pretty instinctual understanding of death and I understood that it was possible for me to take my own life when I was 9. That frightened me deeply because I grew up in a christian household and I thought those thoughts were the devil tempting me.

My grandmother died from over-radiation when I was about 6 years old, but generally no unexpected deaths in my family since I've been born at least.

I seem to acquire the possessions of the dead. I can look in my closet now and point out at least 20 items that I got from a friend or relative that belonged to their deceased family member. I like to go to estate sales and I get even more items like this. I find it weirdly comforting, like I'm making sure what they left behind has some purpose.

I have Mars and Neptune retrograde in the 8th house Capricorn, both trine venus in the 4th house. My 12th house is empty save the NN, aries on the cusp but taurus is intercepted in the house (Placidus). Heliocentric Neptune N. node conjunct my IC. Pluto is square my sun, r. mercury and moon, conjunct my vertex, inconjunct ascendant, quintile Mars, out of sign conjunction with south node, in the 6th house Scorpio.

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posted July 17, 2009 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for librarising     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with what hippichick wrote. I have never had a fear of death. I believe we are born dying. Every day, hour, minute, second we are closer to our death. I believe we live to die and after death there is nothing. I believe that when I die that is the end of my existence. I do not believe in reincarnation, a God, or that there is an afterlife. I was in a horrific car accident which I think has shaped my attitude towards death (I was seven). My uncle who I was very close to was murdered in the house I grew up in and his murderers were never found because the police could careless.

Scorpio Pluto in 1st House
Mercury Trine Pluto
Venus Trine Plto
Mars Square Pluto
Neptune Sextile Pluto

8th house is empty
12th house is empty

Pisces Moon

Mercury Opposition Neptune
Venus Opposition Neptune
Mars Quincunx Neptune

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I do believe in afterlife or at least that our lives have meaning that is supposed to serve a good purpose.

I lost my father a year ago. We were in the same room so I saw him die, saw his dead body. I can't quite describe the intensity of what I felt but it was not just shock or sadness or love. I had never seen anyone die before, so I felt like I had learned something huge about life. And I found out that, since he had been sick and suffering for a few years, death to him was no something bad at all.

So I guess being sick, or the dying process can be painful which is kind of sad, especially if you're young or really think that you haven't accomplished your goals if you had any, and seeing someone you love physically suffer is very bad too, but death itself puts an end to it. It's a relief to know that no matter what happens, we will all have the privelage to die eventually.

When someone dies, there is no point in crying for them really, we only feel sad because we will never see them again. They are not suffering or anything.

And I personally think it's like a computer game. When you die, you enter a dimension where you will know more than you did when you were alive. I really hope to know a lot more than I do now about life, death and why we exist.

The thought of death is so weird that it makes life more exciting. I'm a scorpio too btw, we're supposed to be obsessed with death lol but I'm ok with it. I'm quite curious. I wouldn't want to get older and older and older and live forever like that lol

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posted July 17, 2009 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for taurusvirgoleolady1974     Edit/Delete Message
pluto 4 deg. 2nd house/libra
neptune 9 deg. 4th house/sag
moon 15 deg. 12th house/leo
aries rules 8th house, no planets

in feb 07 my poodle mix pebbles died and i cried pretty much non-stop for five days. she was 14 years old. then my grandmother died in oct 07. she was my heart and soul. when i got off the airplane from her funeral, i began to miscarry my baby. april 13th of this year i lost my dad. there is no pain like the pain of death. its true a part of you leaves when someone you love dies.
i cant say i have really mourned, though.. i dont know if that is good or bad. i think i have "gotten used to it" for lack of better term here. i think about them constantly, and i wish i could hug them. but i just cant seem to cry. you know why? because it is too painful. i begin to remember the pain. i smelled my dad's clothes and i stopped and put them away. it hurts too much.
God has been a source of comfort for me and i know for me, anyway, that when its time its time.
Astrology has helped so much also. as well as good, good friends and family, albiet small now.
Dad and Pebbles are right here in my living room, looking at their urns right now. this is good for me.
we will see our loved ones again one day.
i do, though, think about death alot. just different things. like how did my dad feel, knowing is health was declining rapidly, but still had a sane mind? how does that make a person feel? how did my grandma feel, knowing she was the only one left of her generation. brothers, husband, sisters-in-law, her mom, her dad, all gone. for years. how did she feel looking in the mirror with her looks deteriorating rapidly (devestating for a leo moon) and being scared, knowing she would be gone soon. i wonder what its like to cross over. i think about how happy i will be to see my family again. most of all i try to remember to not take a day for granted.
i never wrapped my mind around any of them being gone. i remember when i couldnt make up my mind who to go see: dad in mississippi, or grandma in iowa. i remember when dad called to say he was sorry about grandma, and now hes gone.

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when i die i'll be ready, rarely i get a bit fearful and that's when i start pouring even more effort into being present with the people i love and care about, making every meaningful moment count for as much as it can [my leo/sadge helps me dramatize the fun a bit but it really does make an impression so im ok with that] ~ about others i've coped with my belief that no one that is close to me ever [ok no one alive ever] completely dies, there's always something about how they were that i've absorbed and that lives on in me through my beliefs/loves/actions, etc. that part keeps them close, and i think special things that were important to them [physical objects] have a lot of power as well.

ultimately i really believe that people are here for as long as they need to be and that's it. i really don't think there are any mistakes, aids, murder, cancer, bombings, i pray for them while they were here for the pain they had to suffer but not because they had to die, thinking that way i think is mostly negative, but of course it does make sense on a human level, you grieve for the loss and the hardships but thats while they were here so really youre just grieving for the past, theyre somewhere else now. then again that grief for us who are still here is ESSENTIAL and trying to stonewall that process is incredibly detrimental TO US, not for them the pain after is for us. and many people go through a lot of unnecessary suffering for not embracing the grieving process. and i believe the same for any emotional pain the best way through it is to embrace it and feel it for all its worth, just like youd embrace a kiss, or hug from someone you love, a bowl of ice cream or an orgasm, to me its all the same. once you embrace and feel it for all its worth is when you can move on.

that bit about we are spiritual (soul) beings in physical form, not a body that has a soul, i really take to heart, the body is just a vehicle etc. that in some ways is fabulous if you have your faculties working and brain esp. in shape but ultimately it's just meant to carry you around to do what you have to do ~ but i really relate to the power of the mind and keeping that in shape to be clearer, training the mind to have more clarity and learn about other dimensions,etc (this must be my generation's neptune talking, or my angular aqua merc). i think there's something that will feel very freeing for me to not have to be encased like we are in here, all the maintenance just to get by, etc. really gets on my nerves in one way, and then in another there is beauty in routines and in giving the mind that rest to get the simple things done, so there is pos & neg for me, but getting rid of that will be nice. and i believe in god [i believe in one god (though i could say allah, etc.) that encompasses all faiths and all people] of course and worlds surrounded by other worlds, all we "see" is not all there is - have learned this through direct spiritual experiences, and i believe when we die there is even more that is within our grasp, as well as being surrounded by the light and love of god.

have not talked with or seen the dead, but while pregnant i did see the light of god, this makes sense to my chart actually since i have neptune (otherworldly) in sadge (fire/direct experience) in h5 (children/creating). completely unexpected ~ but if when i die i get to re-live that experience, that complete love and protection and fearlessness, it won't be bad at all ~

i don't think this topic is very morbid, i think people in general need to think more about death to give more meaning and effort to their life, light needs to bounce off shadow right.......

my neptune/pluto bits: asc ruler is pisces sun h8, sun ruler is neptune sadge, pisces rules h9; pluto angular conj ic, sq moon/venus, conj mars/saturn; jupiter scorp h4, nn cancer h12

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