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woah city
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posted August 03, 2009 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
i just realized that i have an exact grand trine between my natal jupiter, my sun/moon midpoint and my draco moon, all 2 deg fire signs.

because of the planets involved, it feels to me like this is of particular importance. draco moon making it an important focus for my emotions, to become more emotionally evolved, jupiter being expansive and adding gusto to that (also, jupiter is my chart ruler), and my sun/moon midpoint as being myself in a balanced expression, which is rather quite an area of concern for me, considering my sun and moon are squared and i am constantly trying to reconcile the two.

any thoughts?

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bopbop
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posted August 03, 2009 06:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bopbop     Edit/Delete Message
to me, that could mean some extra fortune going for you if someone's planet conjuncts your sun/moon midpoint. Because it's a midpoint, a grand trine wouldn't mean much. What I've read is pretty strict about it being between planets. Same with the draco moon... its a different system. But if someone's planet was there, not only would that planet have the benefits of a conjunct between the sun/moon midpoint, but you would be more generous (trine jupiter) to that person in regards to that planet because of it. It would satisfy your deeper emotional needs, or just be generally satisfying. It could be the same with transits/progressions too. I'd pay attention to planets conjunct your midpoint. That sounds lucky but only some other body touches it.

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woah city
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posted August 03, 2009 06:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
cool, thanks bopbop! i always just assumed that a grand trine would 'count', but maybe in a weaker sense, even natal to draco and could include something as important as sun/moon mp since they're all points of energy, but you're probably right!

my lover's DC is 1 degree off my sun/moon midpoint and i do feel rather emotionally generous toward him, and also grateful to share the experiences we share! and it is satisfying. his energy definitely helps me reconcile the square of my sun and moon, and i feel that i do fulfill something in him when i am in that state of balance, in accordance with his DC.

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posted August 03, 2009 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
yeah....midpoints aren't used in aspect patterns. Soft aspects aren't used with midpoints either.


Raymond

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woah city
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posted August 05, 2009 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
thanks glaucus! that makes sense..

well i guess i am feeling its significance as a grand trine, then, because the guy i'm seeing has his DC where my sun/moon midpoint is, and so there is kinda sorta a grand trine via natal and draco. this is probably not technically considered a grand trine either but since they're both MY charts and just related to different modes of self, i would consider it somewhat significant. and that he's activating my sun/moon midpoint with his DC, thus making me feel the connection to my other 2 deg fire signs. that's my theory anyway.

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Glaucus
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posted August 05, 2009 03:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
shrugs

Ascendant in opposition to Sun/Moon midpoint is very significant in synastry any way.
it would probably be much stronger if it is actually Ascendant sesquiquadrate to the Sun-Moon square....especially if the orb of the Sun square Moon is vary narrow.

Every cosmobiologist,uranian astrologer and others that work with midpoints would say that.

therefore, a grand trine isn't needed.

the Ascendant oppose Sun/Moon midpoint explains the significance of the relationship without the other stuff involved.


imho using midpoints and draconic with the natal to form aspect patterns is really stretching it a bit

same with using right ascension, declination equivalent longitude with the natal to form aspect patterns is really stretching it too.

it also gets iffy using asteroids,centaurs,and transneptunians....especially the small ones...because there are so many, you're bound to have an aspect pattern.

the same can be said for midpoints,draconic,right ascension,and declination equivalent longitude

Raymond

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“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Dr. Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.

In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.

“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Dr. Brown said. “It really is just perfect.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/15/science/space/15xena.html?_r=1

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woah city
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posted August 05, 2009 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
thanks raymond..

"imho using midpoints and draconic with the natal to form aspect patterns is really stretching it a bit"

yeah i sorta figured that, but what i meant was that since my midpoint is on his DC, it's probably his DC activating my midpoint that i am feeling, and not necessarily the sort-of grand trine. it's hard to explain, but i do feel i tap into my ariesness (my sun/moon) when i'm with him; a reconsiliation of the square of my sun and moon. and my draco moon being 2 sag.. well i can feel how that relates, the fire energy, the oomph and enthusiasm. as well as my 2 leo jupiter.

it's interesting cuz his DC also feels like something somewhat latent or repressed in him. he has aries moon in his 7th but it doesn't express particularly strongly, i think cuz it's in his 7th. he seems to need to relate TO aries energy via the receptivity of the 7th i guess, and then he feels comfortable to embody it. so i feel like my sun/moon on his DC is like a sense of being inspired by him, just being with him, to acheive that balance, and then in turn sort of inspiring him by relating to his 7th moon/libra rising (giving him the relating he needs), by allowing him to express his latent aries energy within relationship. it's hard to explain, but that is how it feels.

well you have me intrigued about the sesquiquadrate! off to research what the heck that is and find out. sun/moon square is an orb of 5 deg.

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woah city
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posted August 05, 2009 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah city     Edit/Delete Message
hmm.. well according to astro.com we have the sesquiquadrate from my moon to his AC at 0.49 degrees. they must use a small orb if sun is not considered in orb.

eta: but wait, my sun trines his AC by 10 degs. hmm, wide orb, but maybe that factors in as well. anyway, getting off topic!

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