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VirgoRising
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posted March 04, 2010 11:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, so i was asking some questions about a relationship issue, and someone brought up to me about how i have Venus Opposite Pluto in my natal chart.. i know it means i can be a bit obsessive when it comes to relationships, and i often become infatuated with people i barely know. This has been completely true for all of my life. Can someone tell me some more information regarding this aspect? Specifically, what am i supposed to learn from it? and how can i better understand why it affects me so greatly? Thank you.!!!<3

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posted March 05, 2010 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi!
What you described doesn't really sound like Venus-Pluto to me.. I'm just wondering what orb this aspect is in and the signs + houses.

What you described sounds more like a negative Neptune aspect (infatuation with someone you don't know!) and Cancer placements, clingy-ness - obsession.. (either in natal or in the synastry - composite with the men in question)

I think Venus-Pluto is more about power-struggles & a fight for control - (romantically & sexually).. rather than "obsession".
Unless we are talking about an "obsession" *with* being in control.. or.. with losing control.

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But I'll answer you - about the opposition anyway...

I've read that with oppositions people tend to associate with ONE planet and pretend the other planet does not exist in their makeup.

This is even more relevant with a personal planet in aspect to a transpersonal "planet" (yes I know it's not technically a planet anymore lol). You might associate with Venus and ignore Pluto.. When you do this life-fate-destiny (call it what you will) brings you Pluto on a platter - often in the shape of a sexual or romantic partner, sometimes in the shape of someone who betrays you, rapes you, harms your Venusian "image" in some way..

I guess what you need to learn from it is to own up to your own Plutonian side - to your own power.. so you'll stop attracting painful situations. It's never a good idea to be *only* venusian (sociable, beautiful, sweet, friendly, lovable, the perfect wife of a politician-type). It's never a good idea to desire only Venusian things (a knight in shinning armor, a beautiful engagement, an even better wedding, diamond rings that all your girlfriends envy, living in a huge house with the perfect car and the perfect husband and the perfect kids etc etc... )

It's best that you willingly open up to the ugly side of life (and death) and everything that entails.. Pluto is not only about sexual taboos - but that *is* a part of it.. So if you are someone who has a problem with taboos - they will be thrown your way time and time again.

At some point you will probably stop seeing yourself as wife-mother-princess.. and realize that everyone is at least part-wh0re lol

I really cannot put that anymore tactfully
It's a huge pattern with Venus-Pluto.

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posted March 05, 2010 03:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus isn't the wife or the mother.
That's the Moon.
Venus is the woman who seduces and lives solely for her own pleasure.
With Venus opposed Pluto you'll tend to switch back and forth between the extremes and be taught through various lessons/experiences that you need to bring both in balance to have a happily functioning female sexuality.
Read up on Venus conjunct Pluto and that will get you on the fast-track to incorporating this energy. Act out BOTH Pluto and Venus at their midpoint, find that midpoint and act as if you have the Venus Pluto conjunction there. You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.
If you don't know their midpoint post their degrees and I'll tell you.
AstroWeekly has a lot of good info on natal aspects.
I have the Venus Pluto square and it's very enjoyable energy once you get it where you want it.
It affects you so greatly because Venus is your feminine sexuality. A big part of any woman's life.

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posted March 05, 2010 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[Quote by Vapor Hi!
What you described doesn't really sound like Venus-Pluto to me.. I'm just wondering what orb this aspect is in and the signs + houses.

What you described sounds more like a negative Neptune aspect (infatuation with someone you don't know!) and Cancer placements, clingy-ness - obsession.. (either in natal or in the synastry - composite with the men in question)

I think Venus-Pluto is more about power-struggles & a fight for control - (romantically & sexually).. rather than "obsession".
Unless we are talking about an "obsession" *with* being in control.. or.. with losing control.

______

But I'll answer you - about the opposition anyway...

I've read that with oppositions people tend to associate with ONE planet and pretend the other planet does not exist in their makeup.

This is even more relevant with a personal planet in aspect to a transpersonal "planet" (yes I know it's not technically a planet anymore lol). You might associate with Venus and ignore Pluto.. When you do this life-fate-destiny (call it what you will) brings you Pluto on a platter - often in the shape of a sexual or romantic partner, sometimes in the shape of someone who betrays you, rapes you, harms your Venusian "image" in some way..

I guess what you need to learn from it is to own up to your own Plutonian side - to your own power.. so you'll stop attracting painful situations. It's never a good idea to be *only* venusian (sociable, beautiful, sweet, friendly, lovable, the perfect wife of a politician-type). It's never a good idea to desire only Venusian things (a knight in shinning armor, a beautiful engagement, an even better wedding, diamond rings that all your girlfriends envy, living in a huge house with the perfect car and the perfect husband and the perfect kids etc etc... )

It's best that you willingly open up to the ugly side of life (and death) and everything that entails.. Pluto is not only about sexual taboos - but that *is* a part of it.. So if you are someone who has a problem with taboos - they will be thrown your way time and time again.

At some point you will probably stop seeing yourself as wife-mother-princess.. and realize that everyone is at least part-wh0re lol

I really cannot put that anymore tactfully
It's a huge pattern with Venus-Pluto.

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This is so good, Vapor. I need to access the shadow side just as you were saying.
As a child, I had to be so perfect with an abusive mother that I got stuck in perfect mode.
It is really not perfect mode but crazy, unreal mode LOL
How did you come to accept your shadow side? Did you always just accept it or did you get stuck in the beautiful/perfect politicians wife part and feel you were bad if you were anything less?
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posted March 05, 2010 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you Lonake
That is a great way to learn about the oppositions and squares by studying the conjunctions.
Ami

PS If you had an opposition in Synastry like Mercury oppose Venus, would you look at the conjunction, too?
Would this help you work your way through the opposition even if it is with another person?

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posted March 05, 2010 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In a sense you could apply it to any aspect in natals but already it's so easy with so many factors to let things get out of hand unless you know where you have everything filed away. I'd only think of using them for oppositions as they are in so much need of balance.

With Mercury opposed Venus in synastry..it's not that bad. Honest. Try your Mercury square someone's Mars Saturn conjunction, now that is something to unravel! Mercury/Venus is good in synastry, and the aspect doesn't matter too much. The fact that they're relating at all is a good thing. The more aspects, the more energy the 2 people generate while together. The Mercury person will tend to show off intellectually to the Venus person who may look at them like they're kinda crazy, but the Mercury person (as always with Mercury/Venus aspects) is enthralled with Venus and in the opposition there's a curiousity, an attraction, and the showing off part is a way to garner desired attention. As long as they have other things in common they'll be fine. Venus/Mercury in synastry is also symbolic of the kiss. So good kissing sparks as well

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posted March 05, 2010 04:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We have it as a double whammy, Lonake .
How would you analyze that? Thanks so much for any help. Ami


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posted March 05, 2010 04:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lonake - I agree on mother. I don't know what got into me to say "mother".
Because that is the Moon.

But I disagree on "wife". Venus is definitely "the wife" figure.. It is the ruler of Libra (the sign of partnership).

What I meant by the wife-wh0re distinction was that Venus wants to be applauded, praised, socially LOVED - socially acceptable. Venus wants to be treated like a princess.

Pluto tears all of that down to pieces ^ and drags Venus to the underworld.

That's my take on it - anyway

Hi Ami -

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Did you always just accept it or did you get stuck in the beautiful/perfect politicians wife part and feel you were bad if you were anything less?

No. I didn't always accept it. I've had some Plutonian events in my life - Man that sucked! lol - but I do accept it now. I'm very comfortable in my own skin now and I really like the men (and people in general) that I attract in my life.

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posted March 05, 2010 04:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We always write at the same time LOL.
That makes me feel not so weird that you had to struggle with this, too.
I have been afraid of my less than perfect parts. Within me, an alarm would go off when *I* would see and feel them.
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posted March 05, 2010 04:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted March 05, 2010 04:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see where you're coming from with that of course, but I can't get away from Venus being all about her vanity, using her charms to get her way, etc.
You'd think I wouldn't have the Moon/Venus conjunction but I do! Wish they weren't so close (2 deg), , I'd rather have the sextile or trine.

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posted March 05, 2010 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami - I just replied in your Mercury thread, since the question involves Mercury

Lonake - I've said the same thing about Venus in the past. I agree with you - Venus is an area of your chart where you might be "spoilt".. and yeah Venus seduces. She is sensual.. She is all of that.

But what I'm saying is part of that. The Venusian vanity won't take being treated as less than a "lady"..
But with Pluto in opposition - you can often attract people who don't put your Venus on a pedestal.. Sometimes they do the opposite.
You stop attracting these people when you manage to balance the opposition in your own life - by yourself.

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posted March 05, 2010 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[Quote by Vapor Lash] Ami - I just replied in your Mercury thread, since the question involves Mercury

Lonake - I've said the same thing about Venus in the past. I agree with you - Venus is an area of your chart where you might be "spoilt".. and yeah Venus seduces. She is sensual.. She is all of that.

But what I'm saying is part of that. The Venusian vanity won't take being treated as less than a "lady"..
But with Pluto in opposition - you can often attract people who don't put your Venus on a pedestal.. Sometimes they do the opposite.
You stop attracting these people when you manage to balance the opposition in your own life - by yourself.]


Wow, this is worth a few years of therapy. LOL
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posted March 05, 2010 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The orb is 0.34

Venus is 13.25'0 Taurus in the 9th house.
Pluto is 13.58'55 Scorpio in the 3rd house.

here im going to post my chart just in case

you guys are awesome...thank you so much for your help.

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posted March 05, 2010 08:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What do the planets on that side mean? Thanks
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posted March 05, 2010 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astrobelle     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have this aspect in my natal. My Pluto is in Libra (in the 8th house) opposite Venus in Aries (2nd house).

I agree with what most of you have said about the aspect being projected onto a partner. Meaning that the Pluto energy connected with Venus is not easily owned. Venus here isn't quite accepting of this darker, intense energy cramping her style.

I would have to say that this aspect is one of the most difficult and challenging (for me) to have to deal with and learn. Through my life the types of people that I tend to attract and am very attracted to are Plutonian types. And anyone whom I've had a obsessive, fated, passionate and entangled relationship has had their sun, venus or moon connected to my Pluto.

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posted March 05, 2010 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's funny. I have a pretty strong square between Venus and Pluto but I don't attract Plutonians. But I am one. Maybe because I don't need to learn anything from them.

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posted March 06, 2010 08:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgoRising     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake, can you help me find the midpoint?

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posted February 06, 2011 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for motyogo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Necrobump This is so interesting. Can anyone tell me what it means to 'act out both pluto and venus at their midpoint'?

I also have a pluto venus opposition.
Venus 2126' Aries, in House VIII
Pluto 2302' Я Libra, in House II

Thank you in advance!

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posted May 04, 2011 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BeholdAstarte     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i completely disagree with pluto/venus aspects not being obsessive. its not always about control either. i have my venus conjunct pluto and id say i have more obsession issues than i do control issues.

also, i think part of the obsession with this chart is the taurus. venus is already in taurus opposing a scorpio pluto and taurus has a hard time letting things go.

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posted May 04, 2011 07:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for polysigh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with this. I have venus conjunct pluto almost exact...obsessions AND control are major issues...

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posted May 04, 2011 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll have to get back to you on this one, I have the opposition too. Meanwhile, this never gets old, it's the best article I've come across regarding Venus Pluto aspects in the natal.
http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2009/04/08/venus-pluto-love-and-survival/

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