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Topic: Take A Gander At This Here Composite Chart
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meta_4
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posted March 18, 2010 11:04 PM
  
What? Me? Have a crush? Never!..oh but i do... BUT IT'S INCONVENIENT TIMINGGGG!! I don't want a relationship right now, but this fellow has caught my attention. Those blasted Cappie men, being all wonderful and stuff! Synastry was interesting, but i'm a bit hung up on the composite. Venus in the 12th? Square Neptune? Really? Really Universe? Ya gotta throw that mess at me? Tell me what yer think, and share with me your similar composite stories. IP: Logged |
belgz
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posted March 18, 2010 11:54 PM
Transit Uranus is conjunct the composite 7th house ruler mars in composite 5th! Looks like something could happen in the relationship department but the down fall is that the composite chart ruler is venus and it is in the 12th house and transit pluto is making a square aspect to it.This could become a secret relationship or one that is kept hidden for whatever reason as the composite chart plays out over time.
I have 2 girlfriends who i have venus in 12th in our composite and our friendship is even kept hidden from their husbands or family.. and though it didnt happen straight away eventually we had to hide it.
Venus also rules composite 8th house as well :/ IP: Logged |
amowls*
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posted March 19, 2010 01:04 AM
Yeah, 12th Venus is not pretty, also squared Neptune can lead to idealization/fantasy.Also the Sun is almost unaspected, and unlike unaspected natal planets which are magnified, in composite charts, they are lost. You'll never know where you stand on it. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted March 19, 2010 01:16 AM
I dunno, I always believe in exceptions for the unaspected thing.
My ex-husband and I had an unaspected moon in composite. Boyfriend and I now have only sextile to Pluto and conjunct Neptune for our suns. Our Saturn in composite is peregrine/unaspected but there are no 'stability' or commitment issues lol.
So what gives? I don't think we can say 100% if a relationship is good or bad by these composites - besides, also looking at the composite planets signs/degrees and what kind of aspects they make to each individual chart us something to keep in mind, if you really want to see the impact of what the relationship does for each person. I think that the relationship has to be established first before looking at composite in general. Composite's meaning isn't like something you can really even 'feel' until you're in the relationship. The aspects manifest in different ways. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted March 19, 2010 01:22 AM
As for my take, I would look at the ruler of the 7th. Mars is in Pisces in the 5th house, gets a mixed bag. Before anything else, I would say this would be a good sexual relationship - sex, as well as any kind of artistic pursuits, would be important together. Still, the stressful aspects from Neptune and Uranus to Mars might make things feel unpredictable and weird. Lots of sparks though  I don't know why Venus is a focus here, why it's getting so much attention from you guys lol. Who cares about Vain Venus?
Mars really stands out to me in this chart...it's all by itself, alone, having its own little party. That's what grabs my attention.
EDIT: ALso, let me just say this about composites: It's BS for a lot of them when two people share a lot of the same aspects in their natal, and then they get repeated in composite. I've read that it makes certain aspects 'a theme' or whatever, but I don't agree. I think it's complete BS.
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meta_4
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posted March 19, 2010 09:42 AM
Right, right. Well, i figured as much. I truly don't want a relationship, so all of this is good to know.I'm not much of a composite fan (i think synastry is more imperative and accurate) but i check them out anyways. I've only had one other run-in with Venus in the 12th, AND THAT WAS AN ABSOLUTE NIGHTMARE. So when i saw that placement here, it really struck me. We're not hiding anything from anyone, but all of the talking we do is private? If we're with a group we walk away from them. No one really knows about the friendship. We're both in theater, and i can see Venus in the 12th manifesting as the two of us keeping our "relationship" out of the "public eye." IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted March 19, 2010 09:44 AM
MVM,Why do you like to focus on Mars? Shows where the action is in the relationship? Yeah, in Pisces it's weak. Not much action going on! Interesting about the Sun... so even though it's conjunct ASC and Pluto it's not really too interesting? What are good composite Sun aspects to have then? IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 19, 2010 10:29 AM
mmm MARS in 5th and sun on AC!mwah IP: Logged |
amowls*
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From: richmond va
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posted March 19, 2010 01:25 PM
Idk, in my experiences with relationships, we could have really awesome synastry but if the composite is bad, it's dunzo. Like, I had DW ASC/Vx conjunctions, DW Moon/Mars aspects, MC/IC conjunctions with this one guy but we had a 12th house stellium in our composite (Sun conjunct Venus, Mars, Mercury) and it was a very clandestine relationship. No one knew about it. In fact in public it seemed like we hated each other.Another relationship in synastry we had Moon/Moon conjunction, Sun conjunct DSC, etc, but in the composite the Sun was unaspected and a 6th house stellium with Venus conjunct Neptune. I felt like he didn't care about me and he was using me and I never knew what the status of the relationship was. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted March 19, 2010 01:56 PM
Meta, I was looking at Mars since it's the 7th house ruler. I like to see what the ruler of that house is doing and where it is IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted March 19, 2010 03:11 PM
Amowls,What would you constitute as "bad composite"? What would you constitute as a "good composite"? You don't have to write out a list or anything, just a little advice for novices?  IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted March 19, 2010 03:18 PM
I guess sun or venus in 11th, AC ruler in 7th would be good, no?
Moon in 5th or 7th.7th or 5th ruler in aspect to 8th ruler. venus/mars or venus/pluto trine or cj? IP: Logged |
amowls*
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From: richmond va
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posted March 19, 2010 06:27 PM
The more integrated the planets are, the better. Also it's good to see a stellium so that there's focus in the relationship. Sun conjunct Venus & Mars is good as well, and Vertex conjunct the DSC or in the 7th house.6th & 12th houses are not fun for romantic relationships. Moon in hard aspect to Saturn may lead to coldness between the two people, and Moon in hard aspect to Uranus can also make the relationship off and on. You have to weigh everything, of course. And some composites have no focus but represent very good relationships. And lastly, don't run away from a relationship just because there's a crappy composite. If it ends in tears, at the very least it was a learning experience. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted March 19, 2010 06:29 PM
My boyfriend and I both have Moon/Uranus oppositions in the composite because we both have them in our charts. It doesn't feel on and off. I get really tired of hearing/reading that though. IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted March 19, 2010 06:31 PM
MVM,Are you maybe a bigger fan of Davisons? As they don't replicate the same composites aspects you both have in your natals? IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted March 19, 2010 06:34 PM
Meta, no, I'm no fan of either method 100% - Davidson is also weak at times to me. I think it's just a matter of looking at the thing with the knowledge of both natal charts and going by intuition. But that's just me I think Venus/Sun in composite is nice and I've had it, but you know what, my ex husband and I had it and wanted to stick forks in each other's foreheads too 
Can't isolate aspects - you have to look at the chart as a whole and get a vibe off it after the relationship starts. Just my 2 cents. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted March 20, 2010 01:22 AM
I just remembered something, Meta....the only relationship charts which I've seen 'work' are coalescent charts. They're based on harmonics, not midpoints. I know they're not available on astro.com.... I had someone do one for me and it was scary-accurate about my marriage with my ex. Transits are hugely important in these charts.
When I did mine, so much of my old relationship with my ex made sense considering the transits which I was going through. I was blown away. Here's more info about them : http://astrozet.net/Manual8/CoalescentHoroscopes.htm IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted March 20, 2010 08:55 AM
Thanks MVM. I'll have to check your link out when I get back today.So personally, you place more strength on Natal-to-Natal? And synastry? Sorry that i'm bugging you! So many people have such vast views on Composite/synastry/Davison topics! IP: Logged |
Nine
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posted March 20, 2010 03:19 PM
With a crush, or any new person I look at the progressed synastry (progressed-Natal & progressed to progressed). Re: The charts posted. I've looked at the synastry (always progressed synastry for me), and I see you have pMoon conj pMoon @ 11 Scorpio as of 3.20.10. Excellent aspect for emotional harmony. Because this is a progressed aspect that conjunction will remain the same throughout your lives, even as the pMoon change signs. Great for living together. Orbs for the classic relationship indicators are too wide to saw anything, but the planets are moving in the right direction. Your pVenus @ 15 Leo is one degree off a square with your nMars @ 16 Taurus. This aspect produces a desire to physical relating, but not the lets-get-married dynamic - just has you've stated. In a nutshell: This matchup lacks the passion/electricity/excitement/just-sex you need right now as indicated by your pVenus sq nMars. What's indicated is the nurturing/feeling/sharing/tender side of love with this guy. With that said, pMoon in Scorpio is a very erotic placement. pMoon in Libra wants to get married or be in a relationship. pMoon in Sagittarius wants to be free/go on a road trip. pMoon in Scorpio wants to get...well you know. Achtung: With a 29 birthday/psychic #, the moon is dominant in his chart. The moon is his consciousness. With moon in Libra, he will want more than just sex. IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted March 21, 2010 11:10 AM
Nine, Greaattttt... I suspected as much! Not that i'm looking for a roll in the hay, but i could tell that he's fishing for a long-term live-in mate. Ce n'est pas moi. Interesting about progressed charts. I never would have looked at them in terms of thinking about a relationship. You said, quite accurately, that we're lacking the romantic love aspects in our progressed-progressed/natal-progressed synastry. What would be the indicators to spot, for future reference? Just Venus/Mars? Moon/Mars? Moon/Sun? Pluto junk? Etc? Thanks for all of your help Nine!!! I know now that i need to handle this situation with care, so as to not hurt him. IP: Logged |
amowls*
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From: richmond va
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posted March 21, 2010 01:25 PM
MVM, I mean, yeah if you have it in your natal, it might not be bad. All I know is that with my last boyfriend I had Moon square Uranus AND Saturn and I honestly hated him at times. The relationship wasn't on and off, just the emotional responses. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted March 21, 2010 01:30 PM
Nine,would you say progressed synastry is more intense and therefore more accurate in reflecting a relationship / romantic connection? Meta, regarding to Paul Westran`s study of progressed synastry, the conventional aspects that appeared the most often at the outset of a relationship were: Venus conjunct / opposition / trine to Sun, Venus or Mars (either pr-pr or pr-natal). According to my own research the ASC / pr ASC also plays a role.
And often when there are Venus-progressions present, there will also be a conjunction or trine between Sun and Mars. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted March 21, 2010 01:39 PM
As an example I checked my parents marriage date for progressed synastric aspects:
his pr Moon trine her pr Sun
his pr Venus conjunct her pr DESC
his pr Mars conjunct her pr Venus
his Mars conjunct her pr Venus
his pr DESC conjunct her Jupiter
his pr Saturn conjunct her Venus
her pr Saturn conjunct his Mars
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Nine
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posted March 21, 2010 10:17 PM
quote:
...we're lacking the romantic love aspects in our progressed-progressed/natal-progressed synastry. What would be the indicators to spot, for future reference? Just Venus/Mars? Moon/Mars? Moon/Sun? Pluto junk? Etc?
Venus conj. Swindle. LOL....no As DD have posted, Venus in aspect to Sun, Venus, or Mars. Tomorrow afternoon or so, I'll post a pic of the sketch I make for my progressed synastry readings. quote:
would you say progressed synastry is more intense and therefore more accurate in reflecting a relationship / romantic connection?
Yes. Natal-Natal say, this may potentially happen if you found yourself in a room with this person. Progressed Synastry tell the how and why you are in the room/or not with the other person. Progressed Synastry tell the story of NOW. IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted March 22, 2010 07:20 PM
Thanks Nine & DD. I feel like Progressed charts are these big contenders that i never knew about!Nine, Very interesting. I look forward to your post tomorrow. IP: Logged |
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