posted March 21, 2010 01:08 AM         

And on a degree that puts your Jupiter in the 12th:
"Jupiter in the 12th House

Whether you are aware of it or not, you have a kind of spiritual protection hovering around you. It's difficult for other people to succeed in undermining your goals. Spending some time alone and getting into a meditative state is beneficial for you."

Remember, we can easily be noticed as our Dsc as we can by our Asc.
I'm Leo rising and I've had many as friends, and when we get together it's lively energy, but when one of us is ready to leave we do so quickly and without affect, that's our Aquarius Dsc wanting to break away cos now we're feeling smothered and dying for fresh air.
The reverse is true for Aqua Asc's I've known, friendly a lil aloof in the beginning, and before I know it they're all over someone wanting praise, closeness, and to be noticed. I personally find them a lil clingy up-close-and-personal, but it must be that they're just searching for that warmth/to bask in that Leo energy.
It's an axis, after all. We all end up acting out both sides.

posted March 21, 2010 07:57 AM         

I'd say you were Capricorn or Pisces AC.

All i know is that when i look at my life to date it is NOT the life of a 1st house stellium person. My life is all about karma and demolition and rebuilding, restructuring.

I'm not here for me and nothing in my life is me me me although i attract people easily because i stand out. I'm substantial and deep, mysterious, complex and expressive, sensual and loving/motherly even. I am a very protective mum.

posted March 21, 2010 11:55 AM         

It's the same with me too, Lara.
I feel that it's the same with my mother.

houses aside,
It seems that you might have a combination of a strong Saturn influence and a strong transneptunian influence

Saturn says that

This is what Philip Sedgwick said in regards to the big transneptunian objects which include especially Eris,Pluto-Charon,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,Ixion, and some unnamed others.

Evolutionary Intensified Objects. Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.

Hard aspects to them including especially hard aspect patterns like t-square,grand cross, 8th harmonic triangles like Thors Hammer, and even the Yod could have some serious intensified karmic lessons to deal with.

Strong contacts to the geocentric or heliocentric nodes of the big transneptunian objects would link you to a strong connection to collective karma in pertaining to the energy of the node. Like if you have a strong connection to the Eris Nodes,then you would be strongly connection to collective karma pertaining to Eris.

Use no more than 1 degree orb. If it's within 30 minutes of arc, it is very significant. If it's within 15 minutes of arc, it's a theme so strong that you can't ignore it. It dominates.

I have Sun oppose/conjunct Eris Nodes (both heliocentric AND geocentric) with 10 minutes of arc.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 21, 2010 11:58 AM         

Yeah i think you are right. Would saturn/NN in my 8th house fit then?

Ami -

because i am ALL of these things!
This is me to a tee lol

posted March 21, 2010 12:11 PM         

Yeah i think you are right. Would saturn/NN in my 8th house fit then? "

Lara,
I edited my post.

I wasn't referring to house placements

I was thinking about personal planets/points in major aspect to Saturn and the big transneptunian objects.
They could be in ecliptic longitude,Right Ascension,or Declination. All 3 are valid coordinates. Astronomers actually use only the latter 2 coordinates while astrologers use ecliptic longitude with some using declination too. That would be considered a mixing of coordinates.

I also mention the geocentric,heliocentric nodes of the big transneptunian objects. They could indicate evolutionary intensified lessons of a collective karmic nature.

Eris seems to have to do with re-defining and re-organizing.

Eris' Discovery led to the re-defining and re-organizing the planetary definition/criteria and led to a new classifications of objects, dwarf planets and Plutoids.

Your Sun-Juno opposition is on the Heliocentric Eris Nodal axis within 1 degree.

Also also strong contacts to geocentric or heliocentric nodes of Saturn,Uranus,Neptune could be something to consider.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 21, 2010 01:19 PM         

quote:

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I then read the Virgo thread and thought "i'm too messy" and switched, but i agree with you.

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My best friend is a Virgo rising and is very messy.

posted March 21, 2010 01:22 PM         

Yeah

I agree

Pluto conjunct/oppose Ascendant/Descendant axis and square Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 21, 2010 01:34 PM         

looking at your chart with virgo rising, pluto AND uranus conj the ascendant, it puts a LOT of sag in your third house, which would also account for your online "persona" including the occasional foot-in-mouth that gets you in scraps...also it puts chiron in your 7th, which fits your relationship patterns from what i know of them..your stellium in 8th which jibes with a lot of your interests - "karma and demolition and rebuilding, restructuring".

it also puts gemini on the MC which goes with your youthful, slim body, and aqua in 5th, hence the uranian cast to the men in your life (or their sudden comings and goings?)...also your photography connection and out of the box dress sense...?

posted March 21, 2010 02:12 PM         

I just looked her up and she is a Leo sun.

posted March 21, 2010 02:14 PM         

Yeah....I can see that

also

she would have transneptunian,dwarf planet Eris in 7th house

Equality,Diversity, Controversy,Discord in the areas of relationships,partnerships,marriage

As a transneptunian dwarf planet,
Evolutionary intensified lessons involving relationships,partnerships marriage too

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 21, 2010 03:07 PM         

I also agree that there is a Uranian look to you as well because you have unusual features.

I'm a Gem Rising and I always look startled in pictures or I'm making an ugly face. It's very difficult to get a good picture of me lol. I have Saturn & Uranus opposite my ASC. Uranus makes me look unusual and Saturn kind of puts a coldness to my look.

posted March 21, 2010 03:08 PM         

Ami

posted March 21, 2010 03:47 PM         

You know my old teacher used to call me Jackie because she said i reminded her so much of Jackie O! lol

OK this is weird.

Virgo AC 21'

The IC sabian is:
18-19 deg Sagittarius
Pelicans Menaced By The Behavior And Refuse Of Men Seek Safer Areas For Bringing Up Their Young

I've got chills going down my back because my kids and i were menaced by the behaviour of their dad and i moved to the countryside solely to provide a safer environment to bring them up!!
spooky!

posted March 21, 2010 03:48 PM         

Amowls! LOL i know!!! but it's so frustrating haha
I'm sorry

Katatonic,
I don't know why but he always thought i was - he's a triple Aries so i don't argue with him!
Yes, sag in 3rd makes sense too. chiron in 7th explains all this traumatic, painful path of relationships. ugh.
Gemini MC sounds good when you put it like that!

winged Leo
hehehe Can we now name that 13th sign?

Ami - i do have that sweetness. I'm so happy you see it in me - not many people online do

Gypsee - Thank you. I don't think i'm Leo sun because i'm no good at parties and i don't own any jewelry - shopping makes me crossed-eyed and i can't ROARRR!!!!!!! lol
Do you think i am?

Yikes Glaucus, that Eris in 7th sounds yucky.
controversy, diversity and discord are all words i would associate my 7th house with though.