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posted March 23, 2010 05:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
1. Square aspects develop the greatest emotionalism and introduce the factors of family survival. Mars and Scorpio, Taurus and its ruler, wherever it is, would do the same. Trine aspects introduce creativeness, sextile aspects intellectuality. The conjunction will depend on the sign occupied, as well as the planets involved. The opposition aspect introduces change of one form or another. The semisextile and quincunx aspects develop insecurity.

2. The Cancer type of marriage can be a financial success and can supply ample frustration. The Scorpio type of marriage can supply passion, jealousy, lots of fights, personal injuries and sometimes murder. The Pisces type of marriage can supply unselfishness, compassion, sympathy and scandal. All can supply children. The ancients described the Water signs as fruitful.

3. Jupiter will always help any relationship because it leads to education and social revolution, something we need badly. It leads to enlightenment. This is true of Sagittarius, but watch the points of the Venus and Uranus nodes in Sagittarius and Gemini. They alter things. They become more involved. Favorable aspects between Jupiter and Neptune but particularly the conjunction between charts, are excellent. They lift things. Mars-Jupiter combinations are passionate but harmonious. They ultimately contribute to great liberalism, although jealousies may have to be passed through at the start.
Pluto-Aries indications lead to greater independence. Saturnian combinations lead to the greatest of all frustrations plus every kind of hypocrisy. The same for Capricorn. Venus and Libra will stir interest in beauty, art, music, good clothes, and at the highest point, in the abstract.

4. A client writes to an astrologer. He furnishes the exact time when he purchased a new automobile. Mars was exactly on the client's ascendent, and it was exactly square Uranus. The astrologer quickly dispatches a reply warning the client that this car can be accident prone. The letter arrives too late. The car is all smashed up in an accident.

5. Whenever you contact a chart having an over abundance of Neptune, an excess of planets in Pisces or the 6th House, be alert to the possibility of pathological conditions. They may not show up in early life. They are more likely to show up when the individual is under severe strain, when there is fear and insecurity. They often show up when a woman is going through the menopause, but they are most likely to show up when the chart is experiencing very strong Neptunian transits which add to the natal conditions. Violence is more likely to show up if Mars,Pluto, Scorpio or Aries are strongly involved in addition to the Neptunian conditions.

6.The pathological liar is quite common. You don't have to go to an insane asylum to find him. He might be a very successful real estate salesman. You might find him as the top man in an advertising agency. Industry boomed when the men with Neptune in Cancer became old enough to start selling. Of course, all the men with Neptune in Cancer did not become good salesman, but many of those with afflicted Neptunes in Cancer became crack salesmen. They also became crack drinkers, and drinking and selling were closely allied.

7. Bear in mind that if we collect the charts of widowers and widows, we find that the charts are of a certain type. Principally, thay show an excess of Mars aspects. One woman told us that she was a fatalist. She had married four times and all of her husbands died. She had Mars conjunct Uranus plus Venus conjunct Saturn. Did she marry men who were going to die, or would these men have lived if they did not marry her?

8. We recall a case where a child had to be placed in a mental institution, but as soon as placed there, the child got well. There was a shifting back and forth, because as soon as the child came home she became ill again. After the problem became sufficiently complex, we were consulted. The mother had a badly afflicted Mars. The child was born at that time when Neptune in Virgo reached the mother's Mars by transit, so that Neptune in the chart of the child is always on Mars in the chart of the mother. We were forced to advise that for the good of the child's health and future, mother and child must be separated. The child was allowed to live with relatives, and was soon back in school functioning normally.

9. What do the favorable Mars-Uranus aspects do? Kenneth Brown, New York astrologer, originally taught psychology at Columbia University. He studied astrology, and during the war, he became Personnel Director of a war plant. He began putting his astrology to work. All employes had to submit birth dates. He found that the employes with Mars- Uranus aspects were the best mechanics, regardless of whether the aspects were favorable or unfavorable, but the employes with the unfavorable aspects were accident prone.

10. To come back to nodes, there is a sharp difference between an aspect between two planets and an aspect between a planet and a planetary node. Where an aspect between two planets is involved, each planet seems to retain its own importance, but where an aspect between a planet and a node is concerned (except where the lunar node is involved, and we will touch on that presently), the node seems to completely dominate the planet. You will note that when we discussed hysterectomies, we stated that persons experiencing bysterectontea always seem to have some planet, ANY planet, conjunct or square the nodes of Mars.

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posted March 23, 2010 05:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message
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1. Square aspects develop the greatest emotionalism and introduce the factors of family survival. Mars and Scorpio, Taurus and its ruler, wherever it is, would do the same.

This really relates to my natal Aries Mars conjunct the IC. I was raised by a young single mother who continously put her relationships ahead of her child, therfore I ended up parenting myself at a young age and still to this day I somtimes seem more like my mother's mother.

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posted March 23, 2010 07:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for venus in gemini     Edit/Delete Message
IQ,
What does "badly afflicted" mean?

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posted March 23, 2010 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Badly Afflicted is usually an exact square from Saturn or Uranus or Neptune or Pluto when the afflicted personal planet is in the sign of its least exaltation.

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posted March 23, 2010 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
" Square aspects develop the greatest emotionalism and introduce the factors of family survival".....

Would this also highlight possibly psychological patterns within the family then?

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posted March 23, 2010 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message
Good point Qunnie. My family has been notoriously prone to depression and alcoholism. Everyone in my family is highly creative, but I am seriously the first besides my great-grandfather to go to university and earn a BA.

Perhaps Mars conjunct the IC gives me the strength to bypass all the inferiority complexes my family has held in regards to higher education. Virgo ASC. and planets in Virgo or the 6th house placements is common within my family, I'm the first to have no Virgo planets and virtually no earth in my chart.

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posted March 24, 2010 04:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
The subject of Astrological Inheritance deserves its own thread. Thanks to Quinnie, I was able to find many fascinating insights on this.

Tobey's points are important because he was the first Astrologer to apply Statistics and Mathematical Probability to derive astrological insights.
His complete lessons are here, I just took some snippets from those links: http://mysite.verizon.net/bonniehill/pages.aux/astrology/tobey/index.html


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posted March 24, 2010 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo     Edit/Delete Message
Um..i got Venus square Jupiter and Venus opposing Saturn and that's the only aspects it makes, except for my Venus trining my MC, should i be worried?? lol

I got Pluto in the 7th to boot..greaaat the planet of death and destruction in my house of marriage & partnerships.

But my Saturn makes NO aspects to any planet, but has planets making aspects to him. Weird.

EDIT!!

OMG i just realised something..ok so my Venus is in Taurus and my Saturn is in Scorpio, which means my Venus is in my 2nd house of possessions, income, values, ethics PERSONAL FEELINGS OF VALUE AND WEALTH while my Saturn is in my 8th of sex, death, major lifestyle changes, OTHER PPL'S MONEY, ulterior motives and, magic and secrets...

now, those 2 planets aspecting each other in THOSE 2 houses..i just made a connection between the 2. My experience as a top exotic dancer reflects that, i earned my income (2nd house) through my sexuality (8th house) and it totally impacted on my personal feelings of self-worth & value (2nd house, venus) by making tips of very wealthy men (8th house..other ppl's money), many who were connected in this secret underground world (8th house scorpio) where i learned many secrets and was both a victim and a perpetrator of ulterior motives (8th house issues) that were based on power and control (8th house scorpio)

Well, i'm glad to say 2 years later that I'm DONE with that bit of karma and really glad that I've dealt with it and sorted it out and am in a better, more healthier place mentally, physically, spiritually and emotionally.

Thanks for that IQ, seriously it really helped me come to a massive conclusion and deeper insight to the secrets of my natal chart. You truly are amazing

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posted March 24, 2010 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you IQ!
I think I shall start a thread too soon if it hasn't happened already. Just a little busy with coursework so when I have a free mind in a couple of days, I'll do that! I've lots of ideas...
Thank you for your insights oh great one!

I find it interesting how Tobey writes that SURVIVAL IS THE PRIMITIVE PURPOSE OF THE WATER SIGNS OF THE ZODIAC.

Cancer: Individual survival dynamic.... or survival from separation from the womb/mother/nurturing experience

Scorpio: Family survival dynamic.....survival from sexual creative/psychosexual/ID forces that can create or destroy the actual family dynamic or the individual or both

Pisces: Social survival dynamic......survival from the interpersonal/intra personal or collective/individual, subconscious/conscious, soul/material experience

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posted March 25, 2010 04:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
<<Thanks for that IQ, seriously it really helped me come to a massive conclusion and deeper insight to the secrets of my natal chart. You truly are amazing >>
Hi Diablo,
I think the credit should go totally to Carl Tobey. And to you for escaping that dark world.

I accept bouquets and brickbats only when Asteroids are concerned

@Quinnie,
Tobey also found a pattern using the Symbols of the Zodiac.
Cancer = Crab, a Crustacean.
The next level is Scorpio, an Arachnid.
The next is Fish, the first Vertebrate.
When Scorpio evolves positively, it becomes an Eagle, higher than Fish. When Scorpio degenerates, it becomes a Lizard/Reptilian, again higher than Fish but in the dark side.

Next, the fire signs go from Leo the Lion symbolic of Mammals and somewhat static, next Aries the charging RAM and ultimately Half Horse Half Human Sagittarius, the fastest and most dynamic of the three.

Next, in Earth Signs.
Taurus = Bull, slowly chews the cud.
Capricorn = Mountain Goat, slowly but surely climbs to the top.
Virgo, the highest level symbol of a Human Virgin, slowly coming to terms with her Self, Sexuality etc.

For Air Signs:
Libra = Scales of Justice, an Abstraction.
Aquarius = Water Bearer, a one man effort.
Gemini = 2 Human Twins. A Human and his/her Twin Flame or Astral/Etheric Body perhaps?

Tobey considered any Sign with a Human Symbol to be more helpful in human evolution irrespective of the Natal signs.

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posted March 25, 2010 05:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Diablo - Is your SN Scorpio as well?

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posted March 25, 2010 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo     Edit/Delete Message
IQ: yeah but sometimes its just a mere suggestion that kickstarts something great, a catalyst and that was you So a bouquet for you anyways cos flowers are nice to have around anyways lol

Vapor Lash: Sure is, a lot of the time it feels as though my life is the modern day tale of Hades stealing Persephone and keeping her hostage in the underworld, letting her out for 6 months.

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..............You will note that when we discussed hysterectomies, we stated that persons experiencing bysterectontea always seem to have some planet, ANY planet, conjunct or square the nodes of Mars.

The biggest astrological eye-opener I got!
Since then it's the first thing I look at in a chart (wel okay; second, after the big three) ;
are there any contacts to the HELIOCENTRIC nodes of Mars ? Planets/points conjunct/square that 19'38 Tau/Scorp Mars-nodes?
It's absolutely amazing how transits and synastry in contact with these nodes work out in my life (since I've one personal planet at 19'31 Aqua).

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posted March 25, 2010 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Very Interesting stuff.


"1. Square aspects develop the greatest emotionalism and introduce the factors of family survival. Mars and Scorpio, Taurus and its ruler, wherever it is, would do the same. Trine aspects introduce creativeness, sextile aspects intellectuality. The conjunction will depend on the sign occupied, as well as the planets involved. The opposition aspect introduces change of one form or another. The semisextile and quincunx aspects develop insecurity."

I included the dwarf planets,dwarf planet candidates because they are equal to Pluto.
Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio


Squares:
Haumea square Midheaven
Moon square Jupiter
Moon square Saturn
Moon square Neptune
Moon square Varuna
Mercury square Makemake
Venus square Mars
(I am very emotional, especially with the Lunar Apex T-Square. I am not sure what he meant by family survival, but I was abused by my mother and stepfather)


Trine:
Moon trine Sun-Ixion-Quaoar
Venus trine Orcus
Uranus trine Midheaven
North Lunar Node trine Midheaven
(I am very creative....3 is both my lifepath number and personality number)

Sextile:
Moon sextile Sedna
Venus sextile Haumea
Jupiter sextile North Lunar Node
Neptune sextile Pluto
(I am not an intellectual nor academically inclined...I am predominantly rightbrained)


Conjunct:
Haumea conjunct Ascendant
Sun conjunct Ixion
Sun conjunct Quaoar
Mercury conjunct Venus


Opposition:
Jupiter oppose Midheaven
Sun oppose Sedna
Jupiter oppose Saturn
Saturn oppose Neptune
Neptune oppose Varuna
(There has definitely been a lot of change in my life

Quincunx:
Sun quincunx Saturn
Venus quincunx Eris
Neptune quincunx Sedna
(Insecurity has been a long term problem for me since my special education years in early childhood)


2. The Cancer type of marriage can be a financial success and can supply ample frustration. The Scorpio type of marriage can supply passion, jealousy, lots of fights, personal injuries and sometimes murder. The Pisces type of marriage can supply unselfishness, compassion, sympathy and scandal. All can supply children. The ancients described the Water signs as fruitful.

Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio - I can be very passionate,jealous, and argue...but I am not into hurting people
Moon in Pisces - I can be unselfish,compassionate,and sympathetic

As for being fruitful, I have low average testosterone/high estrogen levels for male. Logically, I'd be less fertile than the average male.


"3. Jupiter will always help any relationship because it leads to education and social revolution, something we need badly. It leads to enlightenment. This is true of Sagittarius, but watch the points of the Venus and Uranus nodes in Sagittarius and Gemini. They alter things. They become more involved. Favorable aspects between Jupiter and Neptune but particularly the conjunction between charts, are excellent. They lift things. Mars-Jupiter combinations are passionate but harmonious. They ultimately contribute to great liberalism, although jealousies may have to be passed through at the start.
Pluto-Aries indications lead to greater independence. Saturnian combinations lead to the greatest of all frustrations plus every kind of hypocrisy. The same for Capricorn. Venus and Libra will stir interest in beauty, art, music, good clothes, and at the highest point, in the abstract."

Jupiter oppose Midheaven
Moon square Jupiter
Jupiter oppose Saturn
Jupiter,Neptune in Sagittarius
(I just have a high school diploma,and so I am not that education. I grew up in multicultural environment,and I was in the US Navy. I am socially liberal and believe in social revolution. If I was living in the 1960's, I'd be a civil rights activist supporting the cause for freedom for all people and not just white people here in USA. I owe my life to Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. I am a member of an interfaith unity church. I always had problems with mainstream Christianity,and I could never truly accept it. I never felt comfortable with organized religion. I believe that I don't have to go to church to believe in God,be a moral and ethical person,and treat others like I want to be treated. There a lot of religious,spiritual hypocritical snobs imho. Bigotry is a big problem in society and here in USA I am not enlightened.)

Moon square Saturn
Sun quincunx Saturn
Mercury contraparallel Saturn
Venus contraparallel Saturn
Saturn oppose Neptune
Saturn contraparallel Neptune
(I am no hypocrite,and I can't stand hypocrites, especially those of a religious,spiritual nature)

Ascendant square Heliocentric Uranus Nodes in Gemini/Sagittarius - I would like to alter things by helping neurodivergence,neurodiversity,push for education and psychiatric reform.


"5. Whenever you contact a chart having an over abundance of Neptune, an excess of planets in Pisces or the 6th House, be alert to the possibility of pathological conditions. They may not show up in early life. They are more likely to show up when the individual is under severe strain, when there is fear and insecurity. They often show up when a woman is going through the menopause, but they are most likely to show up when the chart is experiencing very strong Neptunian transits which add to the natal conditions. Violence is more likely to show up if Mars,Pluto, Scorpio or Aries are strongly involved in addition to the Neptunian conditions."

Moon in Pisces square Neptune
Mercury parallel Neptune
Venus parallel Neptune
Mars square Neptune
Saturn oppose Neptune
Neptune oppose Varuna
Neptune sextile Pluto
(I definitely have an overabundance of Neptune. I am not sure what he means by pathological conditions, but I have diagnosed Generalized Anxiety Disorder,Dysthymic Disorder,and Avoidant Personality Disorder and history of anger issues which stem from history of fear,insecurity in connected to my abuse at home,special education years,and my experiences as a multiracial neurodivergent in a predominant neurotypical white society....It's common for many neurodivergents to have psychological problems..the symptoms of neurodivergence and psychiatric disorders overlap...so neurodivergent people are often misdiagnosed as having psychiatric disorders. It's common for people with African American descent to be misdiagnosed as having psychiatric disorders like what happened to both me and my biological father. )

"10. To come back to nodes, there is a sharp difference between an aspect between two planets and an aspect between a planet and a planetary node. Where an aspect between two planets is involved, each planet seems to retain its own importance, but where an aspect between a planet and a node is concerned (except where the lunar node is involved, and we will touch on that presently), the node seems to completely dominate the planet. You will note that when we discussed hysterectomies, we stated that persons experiencing bysterectontea always seem to have some planet, ANY planet, conjunct or square the nodes of Mars. "

He is referring to the heliocentric and not geocentric nodes

Sun conjunct South Eris Node in Scorpio - diversity,equality,controversy,discord dominates the ego,self expression,vitality

Mercury conjunct South Mercury Node in Scorpio - strong emphasis on communications

Mercury conjunct South Mars Node in Scorpio - assertion,passion,aggresssion,anger dominates the mind,thinking,communications
My mother has Moon conjunct South Mars Node in Scorpio, and she had a hysterectomy because of cervical cancer when she was 23 years old.

Ascendant/Descendant square Uranus Nodes in Sagittarius/Uranus - unconventional,change,unexpected,rebelliousness dominates the approach to life,persona,relating with others

Midheaven/Imum Coel sextile Neptune Nodes in Leo/Aquarius - sensitivity,inspiration,mysticism, imagination dominates the aim of life,career, social status,domestic environment,roots


I believe that the aforementioned Nodal aspects are good for being a neurodiversity advocate, running the future Developmental Neurodiversity Association, helping fellow neurodivergents here in USA.

I don't believe in the term,"afflicted" That's Dark Age Astrology to me. Most successful people have T-Squares which is a stressful aspect pattern that contains "afflictions"
Also in Cosmobiology, hard aspects are viewed as event oriented aspects. It really depends on the system.


Raymond

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