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Kaleidescorp
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posted March 23, 2010 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaleidescorp     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you everyone. I don't feel comfortable leaving all this information up here, but I appreciate all of the feedback.

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starkiss1
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posted March 23, 2010 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starkiss1     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, KScorp, what a story. My feelings are to leave him as a friend.
Try and do the charts on astro.com, they will be much easier to read and more people on LL would hopefully take notice. Synastry chart where you can see both of you would be good.

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posted March 23, 2010 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaleidescorp     Edit/Delete Message
Hi starkiss and thank you for your reply. I am very new to astrology. I only began looking into it because every once in awhile he would point out his "virgoness", so I decided to see what it was all about. I can't find where to do a synastry chart on astro.com (or at least a free one). I'm not working at this time and can't afford to do a paid one. I found another site and here is the synastry chart they gave:

I don't know if you need anything else? I'm inner wheel, he's outer wheel.

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Kaleidescorp
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posted March 23, 2010 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaleidescorp     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you starkiss for explaining where to go on astro.com. Here is the synastry chart from astro.com

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posted March 24, 2010 01:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hikoro     Edit/Delete Message
Bump...I am curious about this case.

Anybody have some ideas as the reason these two are so close or at least, he is very close to her but they have not developed a relationship yet?

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posted March 24, 2010 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eskimono     Edit/Delete Message
I had this exact same situation/problem - me Scorpio, him Virgo. Until I started learning astrology (and grew up a bit emotionally) I had not realised the different 'needs' of the signs. I put a lot of our inertia down to mis-communication - some of it is embarrassingly obvious now.

I know astrology is a lot more complex than just sun signs though.

So I would be interested in the responses here too.

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Cheshire Kat
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posted March 24, 2010 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cheshire Kat     Edit/Delete Message
I am so rusty at synastry and I am still in the learning process but I guess I should apply what what I've learned and help out the best way I can and maybe someone more knowledgeable will come along x.x..

When reading your post, you stated how he is distant from everyone but close to you, these factors stood out to me in the synastry:

-His Sun is in you 7th house(House of Relationships as some say)
-His Moon is in your 4th house(House of Familarity)
-His Saturn is in your 1st house(House of Self)

-I've read that personal planets in the Angles are a good thing and from my personal experience I like when people's personal planets are in my Angles, especially my 1st house because I have a stellium there.

Here is what I think could be the reason the relationship is not progressing on the next level or what stood out to me as one because someone more knowledgable will probably pinpoint something more significant:

-Your Saturn is opposite his Virgo Stellium in the 12th house(House of Secrets kinda)

So he probably feels comfortable being around you privately but openly it might be a challenge for him if that makes sense..x.x

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posted March 24, 2010 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starkiss1     Edit/Delete Message
Hey, Kscorp, had a quick look at your synastry.
From what I could see, there is a lot of potential power struggles between your charts. Just your Saturn opposing his Pluto Sun Uranus Merc cluster is enough to have your hands full in a relationship LOL! I have this aspect in my natal chart and I know the pull it can apply. Not easy, Your Pluto is opposing his Mars. Yes, sex is fab, but so are the fights. It can get messy, if you know what I mean.Your Moon in Sag is so different to his in Tau. You can overpower him with the intensity. This are just a few aspects which jumped at me straight away. Wish you luck, girl, I do.

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posted March 25, 2010 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaleidescorp     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks hikoro for bumping the thread. This has been an 11 year venture, so I'm intrigued too! lol

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posted March 25, 2010 06:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaleidescorp     Edit/Delete Message
eskimono, how did things turn out with your virgo? It's a tough situation to be in. He's your best friend, and yet at the same time, he generates all of these feelings in you. I know for me, I had never been in love before. My virgo friend is the first person to get me to open up, to really get me to let anyone in deep enough to see the real me. So my feelings for him aren't something that I take lightly because at my age, I don't think I'll be falling in love again.

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posted March 25, 2010 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaleidescorp     Edit/Delete Message
Chesire Kat - can you explain a bit what angles are and what it means with having his planets in those houses? He seems to be very comfortable around me openly as well. The only difference I ever noticed in the way he treated me privately and openly was when he was dating someone, openly then he was a little more withdrawn, but when he wasn't dating anyone, he would pretty much treat me the same way as he would privately. But thank you so much for responding and for giving me some feedback. It's been hard at times for me because I'm always cautious with him due to our friendship and not wanting to ruin the closeness we have due to that, but at the same time everything in me screams out for something more.

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posted March 25, 2010 06:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaleidescorp     Edit/Delete Message
starkiss - Thank you so much. I don't know about power struggles or anything. You know, we've been friends for such a long time and we've been very close for a few years now, but we've not once gotten into an argument. There have been a few times when he's said something a little harsh, but he realizes it and will come back later that day trying to cheer me up or being all cute and I know it's his attempt at taking the sting out of his words. Can you explain a bit more about the astrological interpretation you gave with the houses and stuff? I'm really wanting to understand all of this and am so new to astrology that I may have a lot of questions. (Sorry about that.) I tend to be curious by nature.

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Ami Ann
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posted March 25, 2010 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Just want to say that I have been reading this and my heart goes out to you,Kaleidescorp.
I can see how much he means to you and that you are sensing that if you try to take it from friend to romance --you will lose it.
Does he have some big, emotional block from childhood perhaps :some event or series of events that made him shut himself up tightly?
Do you sense that he wants to go to the next step with you but an inner lack of trust in himself is stopping it?


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posted March 25, 2010 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cheshire Kat     Edit/Delete Message
Im not going back to sleep congestion as robbed me of regular breathing lol.

Im glad I could help and Im also glad I was wrong about the 12th house issue, maybe I should look at it from a more spiritual way then a secretive way and thats why you feel a deep connection because 12th is also quite spiritual as I've been studying on.

I found some articles/tidbits/threads on Angles, to help better explain then my rambling lol:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/016032.html

"..Each Angle presides over one of the four Fields of Life: Self, Other, Private, and Public. These four fields represent the existential imperatives that we cannot escape, that we require in order to be human: the Self deals with matters of Identity and Assertion, the fundamental drive to exist in individuated form; Other deals with matters of Relationship and Surrender, the necessity of communion with like beings; Private deals with matters of Family and Grounding, the structures through which we maintain our rooting in the Soul; Public deals with matters of Society and Aspiration, the structures through which the Soul expresses its intentions. The whole natal chart can be used to study any one of these four fields by viewing the Angles as further defining four subcategories within each field. Relationships, therefore, presided over by the Field of Other, must be examined in terms of how they establish and maintain interaction between these four areas in each person's chart to determine the fundamental outlines of the relationship. A synastric chart comparison involving the Ascendant, for example, indicates how the relationship impacts one's sense of self and, vice-versa, how one's sense of self impacts the relationship. Each Angle impacted also influences all of the other Angles. In the example just given, how one's sense of Self (Ascendant) is impacted determines what one projects onto the Other (Descendant), how the relationship integrates with one's Family (Nadir), and how it expresses itself in Society (Midheaven). Every Angle also presides over a hemisphere of the chart, lending its meaning to the affairs of that division. The Eastern Hemisphere, Houses 10th to 12th and 1st to 3rd, is ruled by the Ascendant and focuses on matters of the Self. In these areas of life we rely primarily on our own initiative and resources. The Western Hemisphere, Houses 4th to 9th, is ruled by the Descendant and focuses on matters of Other. In these areas of life we are more highly influenced by the initiative and resources of others. The Northern Hemisphere, Houses 1st to 6th, is ruled by the Nadir and focuses on Private matters. In these areas of life we tend to carry out our affairs in the Private arena. The Southern Hemisphere, Houses 7th to 12th, is ruled by the Midheaven and focuses on Public matters. In these areas of life we tend to carry out our affairs on the Public stage. The overlapping hemispheres create four quadrants that blend the meanings of the angles, each quadrant being then associated with one of the seasons (for a clearer understanding of the relationship between the Zodiac and the seasons read my article, "Whose Zodiac Is It Anyway?"). The First Quadrant (Spring), Houses 1st to 3rd, deal with matters of the Private Self. This is the most personal of the quadrants, where we stand alone on behalf of our own needs. The Second Quadrant (Summer), Houses 4th to 6th, deal with matters of the Private Other. Here we learn the relationship skills that prepare us for the world at large. The Third Quadrant (Autumn), Houses 7th to 9th, deal with matters of the Public Other. In this area we apply our relationship skills out in the social realm. The Fourth Quadrant (Winter), Houses 10th to 12th, deal with matters of the Public Self. Having established our entrance into society, we once again learn to stand alone but this time on behalf of our community. The quadrants, like the seasons, are further broken down into their Cardinal (Initiatory), Fixed (Productive), and Mutable (Transformative) expressions, each of the qualities being assigned in order to one of the three houses occupying the quadrant. The Cardinal Houses express the angular meanings in their purest forms, just as the start of each season most clearly contrasts with the one that came before. The Fixed Houses express the angular meanings in their matured forms, the product of our actions early in the season now revealed at the season's height. The Mutable Houses express the angular meanings in their changing forms as the current season gradually gives way to the next, requiring preparation and adaptation. In the fashion just detailed, the meanings of the angles are applied to every part of the chart. The whole horoscope can thus be utilized in synastric analysis to determine the impact two individuals have on the full range of the other's Bodily experiences at the most practical of levels. Some relationships, however, seem to take us beyond the province of the Body, to the deeper, more mysterious realm of the Soul..."
http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrology_of_relationships.html


I know someone more knowledgeable can explain a bit more better then me but I hope these tidbits get you started in the right direction for the answers you are looking for.^.^

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posted March 25, 2010 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Cheshire,
That was a wonderful description of things I could not understand. Thanks so much!


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posted March 25, 2010 08:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaleidescorp     Edit/Delete Message
That's why I was curious as to whether there was something in our charts that might point to ... I don't know, something.

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posted March 25, 2010 08:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaleidescorp     Edit/Delete Message
Chesire Kat, thank you again! I've read through what you posted and will have to take some time to thoroughly study it in order to really gain an understanding of it all. I'm astrologically illiterate. :-o But I enjoy learning new things, as it challenges me. So continue to bare with me as I work my way through it. lol

Regarding the spiritual aspect, he and I do have a spiritual connection. He has even pointed it out. We are both extremely spiritual and, in fact, that is what initially what started our friendship was a spiritual exploration. We connect very deeply on spiritual matters, and in a very spiritual way.

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posted March 25, 2010 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Kaleidescorp
Look forward to hearing from you!



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Kaleidescorp
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posted March 25, 2010 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaleidescorp     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Ami Ann, that would be good. :-)

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posted March 25, 2010 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaleidescorp     Edit/Delete Message
He was in a committed relationship for 14 years. All of his relationships have been long term. But the longest was his last one.

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posted March 25, 2010 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaleidescorp     Edit/Delete Message
I have it if you want to hide it. :-)

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posted March 25, 2010 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you K.

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posted March 25, 2010 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kaleidescorp     Edit/Delete Message
Email sent. Looking forward to hearing from you as well.

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posted March 25, 2010 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for eskimono     Edit/Delete Message
Hi K

In answer to your question, it didn't work out, but that didn't change anything, for me the situation will continue as long as he is in my life.

I knew the moment I met him he was someone important. I was married at the time, I went home and told my husband that I had met someone who was meant to be in my life for a long time. Never happened before or since - it was odd. At the time we were in unrelated jobs in the same large company, living in different countries. From that day on became close friends.

It's a long story, but in the time that followed we both separated from our other halves. About 3 years ago I told him that I loved him, it freaked him out, he went out and got a new girlfriend. Once he had the safety of this he seemed able to get closer to me - like you, since then we have had what I would describe as a 'relationship' without the physical side. He told me he couldn't be with me because he would hurt me, and I was the last person on earth he would want to hurt. I believe this, and reason tells me that a real relationship would be a disaster for us.

About 6 months ago we went out for a drink and he told me that g/f was moving in with him. He held my hand, made me look him in the eye, and told me he loved me and wanted me in his life forever. I said I understood that and asked him one favour - to tell me before everyone else at work when he decide to get married. He married last month - I found out 3 weeks before from some of our colleagues that he invited to the wedding. I emailed him, he apologised, but no honest reason for not telling me. We have not spoken since. Next week I have to go for a meeting with him (work related) - just me and him in a room for 2 hours - and the thought of it makes me sick.

To complicate things - he is now the head of my division (so my bosses, boss) - so there is no way of avoiding this.

I didn't realise how much this was getting to me until I relayed it here.

I met a lady last summer who had been through something similar. She told me to 'get out' before it destroyed my life. She said I could never be happy with that spectre in the background. That kind of rings true to me.

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posted March 25, 2010 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Oh My God, Eskimo.
I want to throw a bat at him, Eskimo.
You must have died a million deaths when you heard he was getting married.
Held your hands and looked in to your eyes and told you? I would have wanted to ..........
I won't say it here. I am a lady !

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