posted March 24, 2010 03:50 PM         

I am not sure, but I should have used a different term. semi-generational.

"So, what does Haumea mean anyway?"

Haumea is a transneptunian dwarf planet aka Plutoid named after the Hawaiian Fertility Creation Goddess.

as a transneptunian dwarf planet, it's evolutionary intensified object.
Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.

according to Philip Sedgwick:

Positive: Soulful confidence, an unshakeable personal inner knowing, creative, regenerative. Able to reconstruct, redefine, transform, especially regarding consciousness, willfulness and restoring rock solid integrity. Supportive. Fostering. Fertile. Creative.

Negative : Insecure and attention demanding. Dramatic. Egocentric. A bully disposition. Forces head-on collisions. Claims martyrdom and sacrifice to secure attention. Willing to attach to someone else’s momentum or allowing dependent sorts to attach to one’s efforts for self benefit (using non-paid volunteers, fans, devotees).

Mundane: Self awareness programs. Portraits and or caricatures. “Spin” as in political or media framing of events. Affinity or family bonds with those similar in nature. The Hula. The big island of Hawaii. Storm warnings to sailors in form or rainbow. Lava cooling in the sea to make land. Creation, fertility, childbirth and sisterhood. Verbal affirmations. Body sacrifice. Entourages. Groupies.

Ceremonial: Hulas, regeneration ceremonies, affirmations. Soul-based capitulation ceremonies (surrendering ego to spirit). Ceremonies in which a mask is removed (unmasking of the great Hopi kachina Saquasohuh).

Lunar bodies contributing to keywords: Hi’iaka, Namaka.

Haumea is a most unique object

It's shaped like an egg,football,or cigar. It spins end on end every 4 hours. It's mostly rock with very little ice unlike the other transneptunian objects. It is as big as Pluto along its longest dimension. Nothing else is so large,so elongated, or so quickly rotating is known anywhere in the solar system.
Astronomers conclude that all that comes from being subject to a collision with another large transneptunian object.

Fragments from Haumea broke off to form its 2 moons and independently orbiting transneptunians which are referred to as Haumeids.

In Hawaiian mythology, Haumea's deity children broke off from her body.

The astronomy and the mythology match each other. http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/2003EL61/

"I heard, if a planet is in a stellium,
then all aspects to any planet in the stellium
apply (almost equally) to that planet."

if it works , it works. There is a probably a midpoint picture involved too which pulls in the wide orb aspect into effect.

"And I'd think an exact Semi-Sextile,
especially to Pluto, would be potent.
I also see no reason to overlook depositors."

I'd pay attention more to the personal planets. Transneptunian dwarf planet semisextile to a transneptunian dwarf planet is generational aspect. As for dispositors, those are relative. Not all astrologers use the Sidereal zodiac. Not all astrologer use house systems which number over 30. I mainly focus on the geometry involving personal planets.

"I don't know sh!t about arcs and right ascentions, lol,
but I'm pretty sure my stats are as impressive as yours."

When an aspect is less than 1 degree, then it's minutes of arc. Astrologer use that term for aspects under 1 degree orb.

Right Ascension is just equatorial longitude. As for your stats being impressive as mine, I am not trying to impress anybody with stats. I was just only stating what I have ,and that I am very strong transneptunian type of person for better or worse. It's like me saying that I have black hair,brown eyes,and light brown skin. There is nothing impressive about that either. It's just stating what I have. I am not into competing and going "I have this,and so I am better or superior". That's not how I approach Astrology nor life in general. Having a very strong transneptunian influence also indicates have a very strong evolutionary intensified lessons. The hard aspects can be involved in traumas like for instance: my mom being shot by a schizophrenic, and I was with her at the
time. She and I could have been killed by the man. I'd say not knowing my father was also part of evolutionary intensified lessons reflected the very strong Sun-transneptunian energy. He was a New Orleans, Louisiana neurodivergent black man with a drug problem that was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic by prison psychiatrists.

"My Sun-Eris Quincunx by less than 1 minute
seems pretty important; maybe more than anything else."

Yeah...that's important.

"Hmmm...

Sun Conjunct Ixion by 1
Sun Conjunct Quaoar by 3
Sun Qunicunx Varuna by 1

Venus Conjunct Ixion by 3"

Yep...those are in orb.

"Okay, so...

If I go to "additional tables"
(above the picture of my chart on astro.com),
then, the Right Ascension coordinates
are listed in the Latitude column?
(Are the Sun and NNode always at 0°0'0" N?)
Do you compare them to the Declination numbers?"

Right Ascension is not listed in the Latitude column. It's Equatorial Longitude. Declination is Equatorial Latitude. I think that you're talking about the Ecliptical Latitude. Astrologers use Ecliptical Longitude which is the zodiac.

"How are you figuring out
the geocentric/heliocentric Node aspects?
And how do you calculate planetary nodes?"

You can calculate them here:
Jonathan Dunn ephemeral page. He is an astronomically oriented astrologer.

You can calculate your Right Ascension, geocentric/heliocentric Node aspects,and planetary node aspects at the site too.
http://www.true-node.com/pos/

I have Solar Fire which has a report page for planetary node calculations.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 24, 2010 04:33 PM         

You're welcome on the info about Haumea!

I am very sorry about you losing your fertility surgically. My mother got a hystectomy at 23 years because she had cervical cancer.

she has following transneptunian aspects that reflect evolutionary intensified lessons that involve reproductive system.
Both Moon and Venus are associated with the female reproductive system.

Makemake in 25'16 Cancer
conjunct Venus in 25'04 Cancer
square Sedna in 25'29 Aries
square Neptune in 23'24 Libra
(T-Square)

in Right Ascension:
Makemake in 1'35 Leo
square Saturn in 1'45 Scorpio

in Right Ascension:
Sedna in 27'25 Aries
square Venus in 27'23 Cancer

Makemake is a transneptunian dwarf planet named after the Rapanui Fertility Creation God

Sedna is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate named after the Inuit Sea/Ocean, Underworld Goddess whose cut off fingers turned into the animals of the sea/ocean

as for her Haumea:

Haumea in 23'52 Leo
conjunct Pluto in 22'54 Leo
sextile Neptune 23'24 Libra
sextile Sun in 21'59 Gemini

in Right Ascension:
Haumea in 0'32 Virgo
conjunct Juno in 0'18 Virgo
conjunct Pluto in 28'43 Leo
sextile Saturn in 1'45 Scorpio
sextile Ascendant in 0'12 Cancer
(Haumea is conjunct Saturn/Ascendant midpoint in 0'58 Virgo)

The Goddess,Juno was also associated with childbirth and not just marriage. Childbirth can also be one of Juno's astrological symbolisms.

In declinations:
Pluto 23'08 North
parallel Mercury 23'07 North
parallel Venus 22'57 North
parallel Jupiter 23'18 North
parallel Ascendant 23'26 North

in declinations:
Orcus 22'28 North
parallel Venus 22'57 North
parallel Uranus 22'12 North

also she has a strong Orcus influence

Orcus in 0'22 Cancer
conjunct Ascendant in 0'11 Cancer

Orcus is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate. It's a plutino which means that it has 2:3 orbital resonance with Pluto. It is named after the Etruscan God of the Underworld. Therefore, it's an Etruscan counterpart of Pluto.

her Venus was in aspect to 3 big transneptunian objects (Sedna,Makemake,Orcus,and Pluto)

also

Heliocentric Mars Nodes in 19'12 Taurus/Scorpio
oppose her in 19'02 Scorpio/Taurus
oppose/conjunct her Moon in 18'51 Scorpio

Carl Tobey Payne mentioned that the heliocentric Mars nodes figure into hysterectomies. My mother has hers prominent in her chart.

her geocentric node aspects

Geocentric South Venus Node in 5'51 Cancer
oppose her Mars in 5'48 Capricorn R

Geocentric South Saturn Node in 26'33 Capricorn
oppose her Venus in 25'04 Cancer

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"

posted March 24, 2010 05:33 PM         

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As for your stats being impressive as mine, I am not trying to impress anybody with stats. I was just only stating what I have ,and that I am very strong transneptunian type of person for better or worse. It's like me saying that I have black hair,brown eyes,and light brown skin. There is nothing impressive about that either. It's just stating what I have. I am not into competing and going "I have this,and so I am better or superior". That's not how I approach Astrology nor life in general.

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No need to explain, Glaucus.
We're all enlightened here, right?

posted March 24, 2010 05:56 PM         

shrugs..I never saw myself as enlightened in any way.
I eat,drink,put my clothes on,sleep,sh-t,breathe air like most people. I am skeptical of people who come off like they are enlightened, especially when I see them act the opposite (referring to people as "pathetic retards" calling people names for not agreeing with him/her, calling people "idiot" and other things for not agreeing with his/her views", acting like their opinions are right and others are wrong which I believe is a negative manifestation of Eris...a lot of hypocrisy). I am pretty much "to each his own" in my approach to life. I am also a liberal person even though I am reserved (some people confuse reserved for conservative)and introverted. I see people badmouth organized religion, and I am like "Who the hell are you to judge???" Things that get looped under "New Age" get viewed as being seen by many.I believe organized religions aren't necessarily bad. It's that many people misuse them. There are many hypocrites in organized religion just like there are many hypocrites that practice alternative spirituality. All people have to do is read about the phony gurus.
I also believe in critical thinking,and so I even think James Randi and JREF has been doing some good by exposing paranormal frauds, but I do feel that they've been narrowminded too. I do believe that paranormal does exist. I also believe that Psychiatry is very valid,and I believe that bipolar and schizophrenia are real illnesses that people need to be healed from. There are people that are misdiagnosed as bipolar and schizophrenia too. I can see both sides to things which makes it hard for me to do psychological tests.

Who among us still prides himself on having a strong connection to energies that "enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth"? "
Not me. They come up with heavy lessons like I already explained in this thread and past threads. I will do whatever I can to put all that energy to good use by establishing Developmental Neurodiversity Association to help my fellow neurodivergents,promote neurodiversity which can help with consciousness on our planet. Main thing,I do my best to treat others like I want to be treated which I learned based on my experiences as a special education student/neurodivergent, being a multiracial person,and not fitting traditional male stereotypes.

I am an idealist in that I wish we all would get along, but I am a realist that bigotry of all kinds are major problems on our planet and here in the USA.

For better or worse, it's just like having black hair -- although, granted, people with black hair are not said to be evolving at a quicker pace; nor are they allegedly more insightful, inspired, creative, and conscious than other people."

yeah..I agree

"Forgive me for implying that there could have been even a hint of ego or competitiveness involved in your generous enumeration of aspects."

it's ok.

I see you listing your chart aspects at length in so many of your posts, sometimes I forget that you're doing it for everybody's benefit but your own."

I guess it was more about making a point about why I think Pluto's fellow transneptunian are just as valid. I think that my need to elaborate and explain stuff leads to my going in much detail at times so I can be understood which at times,I think ironically gets me misunderstood. I have Mercury contraparallel Saturn (that would be the communication aspect in regards linear processing and making a list which is a linear thing....then with Neptune parallel Mercury and contraparallel Saturn, then adds the nonlinear processing...so things can get confusing,hard to pin down,and misunderstood like my intentions of when I communicate). I have the retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th oppose Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd which also can indicate that theme, but Cosmobiologists disregard houses and put little emphasis on signs. Vedic Astrologers don't use the outerplanets. They don't use tropical zodiac like we do.

I am actually constellation Solar Virgo. Sun was in the 2nd to the last day of constellation of Virgo. That's different from your Sun in the constellation of Libra.

any ways..my main view about Astrology is that Mainstream Astrology is a bit outdated. I want a 21st Century astrological system to match our 21st Century times. I believe that the use of the transneptunians (besides Pluto) are the 21st Century Astrology with Eris as ruler of it.

the transneptunian discoveries coincided around the turn of the 21st Century. The second transneptunian, 1992 QB1 was discovered in 1992 which is also the same year that the second centaur,Pholus was discovered. 1992 QB1 was the first classical kuiper belt object discovered. Cubewano is the term for classical kuiper belt object. That term was based on 1992 QB1. The big transneptunian objects were starting to be discovered in 2000. Varuna was discovered in 2000.

Raymond

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"Nothing matters absolutely;
the truth is it only matters relatively"