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Lonake
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posted March 26, 2010 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
What's the orb for these in natal/synastry,

Venus 14°52'40" S
Mars 14°50'48" S

As strong as the conjunction?


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posted March 26, 2010 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

yeah...that's only 2 minutes of arc

That's a very strong parallel. I'd say that's a strong as a Venus-Mars conjunction,depending on orb of the Venus-Mars conjunction. I'd think that it's stronger than a 3 degree orb Venus-Mars conjunction.

I use a maximum orb of 1 degree for a parallel. I use a maximum of 5 degree for a conjunction.

I'd say that a 2 minute of arc Venus parallel Mars is much stronger than a Venus conjunct Mars of 5 degree orb.


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posted March 26, 2010 04:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
That is interesting, Glaucus,


so me sharing a Venus-Mars parallel with 9 minutes of arc with someone would be pretty strong then?
Venus and Mars are not really conjunct, they are 7-8 degrees off each other.

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posted March 26, 2010 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

"so me sharing a Venus-Mars parallel with 9 minutes of arc with someone would be pretty strong then?"

Yes..Definitely.

I don't get how astrologers say that declination aspects are weaker than conjunctions and oppositions. I believe that if they are weaker or stronger depends on the orb of the declination aspect and the orb of the conjunction/opposition.

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posted March 26, 2010 05:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
I have this:

my venus 7'9'47 N
his mars 8'6'55 N

my sun 13'40'1 N
his moon 13'26'9 S

Do they count please Glaucus?
I agree that parallels are stronger than a cj or opposition.

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Glaucus
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posted March 26, 2010 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Yeah both of those count

great to have both of those aspects

marriage with good sex

heheheheehe


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Lara
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posted March 26, 2010 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
WOW Glaucus, thank YOU
hehehe

We have also
venus cj mars 0'
venus sq pluto 1'
sun cj sun 0'

So now we effectively have a sun/moon opposition too? This might be the missing link that i feel but doesn't show in the chart because it's a very caring synastry!

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posted March 26, 2010 06:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Great stuff!

Yeah...Declinations are important. I wouldn't go without them. I believe the same for Right Ascension too. Both Declinationand Right Ascension go hand in hand with them both being equatorial coordinates.


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posted March 27, 2010 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Raymond, more astro-goodies to nibble

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posted March 27, 2010 01:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Great! Apparently astro.com is down so I can't check my parallels

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posted March 27, 2010 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Duke     Edit/Delete Message
parallels? what is that? i've never heard of the term til now.. i take it that you dont mean an inconjunction do you? because if so, that's not a conjunction at all..

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posted March 27, 2010 01:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
yay it's up again!!

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posted March 27, 2010 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vapor-lash     Edit/Delete Message
Duke - go to your chart on astro.com (in extended chart selection). Click on "view additional tables pdf".. You should find a table with the declinations. If two planets have the same degree declination - They are parallel. If one is N (north) and one is S (south) they are contra-parallel.

I don't know all that much about these - just that a parallel is similar to a conjunction and a contra-parallel is similar to an opposition.

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posted March 27, 2010 04:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
This is the one area of Magi astrology that I agree with.
The fact that parallels within 1' are stronger than a conjunct/opposition.

They have this subtle yet extremely potent vibe to them and it's interesting to see if there is a 3rd declination that links them from either person.

I had a dw Saturn/Chiron parallel/contra with y ex husband and boy oh boy was there a lot of binding pain that just goes on Ferber because the Saturn keeps glueing the pain/wound to us.

Declinations can how why some couples are together for a lfeime even though normal synastry does not paint a clear picture.

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posted March 27, 2010 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus. Are you sure tight parallels are so importent and so strong like conj? I've learn that parallels must have strong connection also in natals in another way like strong conj/sext/square/ and so on if they would have attach great importance and increase the effect to someone.

I must say I not have so strong personality as my parallels show in my chart so because that I'm a scepticer to believe they are so importent...

I have Parallels

Sun 17,31 N
AC 17,32 N
Moon 19,18 N
Venus 18,34 N
Jupiter 17,32 N
Pluto 19,19 N
Orcus 17,23 N
Pallas 19,35 N

My mars NN and Sun/AC parallels = I have one conj to these also in my natal, and because that I think the effect increase and that also give me the power to use it in a good way in my life. I always get some after-effects from this two parallels and conj. The other parallels I'm in doubt to if they really works as a stellium/conj as they show in my chart...

Mars 23,49 N
N.N 23,29 N

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posted March 27, 2010 05:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Glaucus.


BTW Lara,

I don`t believe parallels / contraparallels are stronger than conj and opp per se, but that it depends on the orb, as Glaucus said.

Also, I think that an aspect that exists in decl and longi may be strongest.

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posted March 27, 2010 05:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Oh definitely if it's in decl and normal then it's stronger. My Venus/mars cj exact in normal plus the same in declinations is a perfect example!

I do believe that the declination on it's own is stronger than it's cj equivalent though. The declination is a
subtle yet powerful aspect. I have seen lots of charts where great love is only shown in declinations.

I am definitely counting my
sun contra parallel moon with this guy - it makes perfect sense as to why the interraction is so caring and emotionally rewarding.

Under 1' is vital though!

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posted March 27, 2010 05:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
That's so intresting. I like when people can see things works out so clear in astrology. When there is no doubt.

Maybe I should see my chart in another light

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posted March 27, 2010 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cherle     Edit/Delete Message
I would normally use a 2 degree orb, but Kim Falconer regards my out-of-bounds Eros parallel my Psyche with a wider orb than that (5 degrees). And what she said of the parallel fit me so to a T it unnerves me. I mean, dead, dead on.

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posted March 27, 2010 12:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Glaucus. Are you sure tight parallels are so importent and so strong like conj? I've learn that parallels must have strong connection also in natals in another way like strong conj/sext/square/ and so on if they would have attach great importance and increase the effect to someone. "

I don't agree with that. I believe that parallels and contraparallels stand alone as aspects. I believe the same about Right Ascension which are longitude coordinates (those are usually written as hour and minutes, but astrolgical progams will have the reports in just plain degrees from 0 to 360. Solar Fire 6 can do Right Ascension charts with zodiac equivalent. I use those charts all the time to look at the chart in a multidimensional way. I do this especially to see if any wide orb aspects are in orb in Right Ascension. I also check to see if there is any aspects. This is usually the case with Pluto and its fellow transneptunians.


I have Mercury parallel Neptune with 33 minutes of arc,and I can strongly relate to it like I have Mercury conjunct Neptune because nonlinear,picture,visualization,imaginative,intuitive thinking is my primary thinking as well as confusion,misunderstanding involving communications. I am very sensitive in communications. My intelligence is hard to pin down,and it cannot be measured accurately. I don't have any Mercury-Neptune ecliptical longitude aspects.

I have Mercury contraparallel Saturn with 38 minutes of arc,and I can strongly relate to it like I have Mercury oppose Saturn because of my not only my history of speech delays, but also history thoughts of insecurity,limitation,and restriction as well as feelings of inadequacy about my own intelligence. I have some ability to think logically and sequentially and into critical thinking and a be a skeptic. I don't have any Mercury-Saturn ecliptical aspects in longitude.

I have Venus parallel Neptune with 46 minutes of arc,and I can strongly relate to it. I am idealistic and feel inspired when I am in love. I can be very romantic,writing poetry to the woman. Love can inspire me to be an artist that I create cards. I can be very compassionate,selfless to the one that I loved. Most of all,I can be rather vulnerable to the one that I love because I have a very sensitive love nature.

I have Venus contraparallel Saturn with 52 minutes of arc,and I can strongly relate to it. I am very serious when it comes to love. I want stability,security,and some structure in a relationship. I don't want to be in a relationship that is hard to pinned down and unstable. I have a history of restrictions,limitations when it comes to love,relationships as well as feelings of inadequacy about my own attractiveness.


I have Mercury parallel Venus with 13 minutes of arc, and I have Mercury conjunct Venus with 3'26 orb. Therefore,I have a Mercury-Venus occultation. I do have an aesthetic mind with a good eye for art. I have a good sense of proportion. I like Theodor Landscheidt's Astrological system based on golden section which is divine proportion. I communicate very sweetly as in I have sweet-sounding voice - even too sweet.

I have Saturn contraparallel Neptune,and I have Saturn oppose Neptune. Therefore, I have a Saturn-Neptune occultation. The conflict between being leftbrained, a skeptic,realist,materialist,common sense,linear,being grounded and being rightbrained,idealist,spiritual,nonlinear,otherworldly,imaginative,compassionate have always been major issues for me. I can be very skeptical of spiritual,mystical things at times. I can be more on the side of science than the metaphysical at times. I was a skeptic of Astrology until 1998 at the age of almost 27. At other times, I have dealt with people that were skeptical of my spiritual,mystical beliefs,perceptions. The trick is to balance them. I think the aspect is great for me to restrict from drugs,alcohol,cults,and not believe in stuff tos easily.

I have Saturn contraparallel Mercury-Venus-Neptune parallel. It includes all the aforementioned thems for the declination aspects already listed. I think it's a major aspect configuration that figures prominently in my life.


I have Sun contraparallel Orcus with just 1 minute of arc, and having a Sun-transneptunian dwarf planet candidate/plutino aspect that aspect would be feeling a Sun-Pluto opposition that's in very close orb. I believe that it relates to the intensity,transformation,regeneration of my ego,self expression,and vitality. I also fits with my experiences of not knowing my biological father. I believe that the transneptunians are about "the unknown". I do have other big transneptunians including a plutino, and node of a big transneptunian that make strong aspects to my Sun, and so really adds to the themes that I already described. I also have Sun biseptile Orcus with 1 minute of arc. Biseptile is a 7th harmonic aspect which Robert Hand describes as Uranian-Neptune in nature and has mystical nature about it. I guess Sun biseptile Orcus and Sun contraparallel Orcus would be a Sun-Orcus bilevel.

In Mainstream Astrology, my Sun doesn't aspect much. It only trines my Moon and quincunx my Saturn. That's it.

The big transneptunians that include ecliptical longitude,declination,and right ascension fill in blanks about not only ego,self expression,and vitality but also my biological father who I am very much like, according to my mmother. The intensified evolutionary lessons involving things ruled by the Sun - ego,self expression,vitality, the father/father figures.

Sun quincunx Saturn describes my stepfather as strict,authoritarian,disciplinarian,very critical as well as restricting,limiting me with so much control..

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posted March 27, 2010 12:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Lara,

"I do believe that the declination on it's own is stronger than it's cj equivalent though."

Hmm, I can`t agree on that one.

Anyway, what I noticed is that often planets on the antiscion of each other will also be parallel each other.


I was checking a synastry and there seem quite some aspects, which appear in declinations as well as in longitudes.


His Sun conjunct my Venus
his Sun parallel my Venus

His Venus VERY Widely conjunct my Mars (7-8)
his Venus parallel my Mars

his Venus on the contrascion of my Saturn
his Venus contraparallle my Saturn

his Venus conjunct my Neptune
his Venus parallel my Neptune

his Venus conjunct my NN
his Venus parallel my NN

his Venus widely conjunct my ASC (6)
his Venus parallel my ASC

his Jupiter opposite my Saturn
his Jupiter contraparallel my Saturn

his Saturn conjunct my SN (5)
his Saturn parallel my SN


his SN conjunct my Saturn
his SN parallel my SAturn

his Vertex on the contrascion of my Mars
his Vertex contraparallel my Mars

his Vertex conjunct my Vertex
his Vertex parallel my Vertex

his Vertex on the antiscion of my DESC
his Vertex parallel my DESC

his ASC conjunct my Mars
his ASC parallel my Mars

his ASC conjunct my NN
his ASC paralell my NN

his ASC conjunct my ASC
his ASC parallel my ASC


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posted March 27, 2010 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
(oh-noes) I have Moon parallel Uranus tell me thats not true lol
other add-ons,
Moon parallel Neptune
Venus contraparallel Chiron
Saturn contraparallel Pluto
Uranus contraparallel NN
Neptune contraparallel NN

Raymond, do the houses work as well?
I have Sun parallel IC

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posted March 27, 2010 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I have Moon parallel Uranus in my natal chart as well.


Actually it looks like this:

Moon: 11°05 S

Uranus: 11°27 S
Pluto: 11°40 N
Juno: 10°22 S

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posted March 27, 2010 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Raymond. You said once a time you not understand why I count my moon 6,49 square pluto 12,49 i virgo. You thought it was because I've makemake conj my Sun/AC in leo. I've tried to go away from my thoughts about my moon-square pluto but I always switch back . Now I understand it also could be because I have moon 19,18 N in parallel to pluto 19,19 N.

For me my feelings are so importent and have always been. It's so importent to me to feel good. I've always listening to them. In declin I've my strong moon/pluto connection in my chart.
So interesting...

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posted March 27, 2010 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Thank you Raymond. You said once a time you not understand why I count my moon 6,49 square pluto 12,49 i virgo. You thought it was because I've makemake conj my Sun/AC in leo. I've tried to go away from my thoughts about my moon-square pluto but I always switch back . Now I understand it also could be because I have moon 19,18 N in parallel to pluto 19,19 N."

WOW!!! Moon parallel Pluto with 1 minute of arc. WOW...That's like a very strong Moon-Pluto conjunction!

Yeah....without a question,I'd say that factors very strongly into you being able to relate to Moon square Pluto.

You're highly transneptunian overall with the Moon parallel Pluto and Makemake conjunct Ascendant. You probably have other strong transneptunian aspects.


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