posted March 29, 2010 09:05 AM         

Ami

posted March 29, 2010 09:08 AM         

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in my chart lilith is in conjunction to my sun.. i found that not only i but also other people who have sun in conjunction with lilith have a strong distaste for people of the opposite sex.. not necessarily leaning towards homosexuality but more towards the sense of self love of the sex as a whole.. deeming the other one inferior..

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Why, Duke ,would that be--do you think?

posted March 29, 2010 09:21 AM         

if it's Lillith from the 'list' menu ..
i thinks that's black moon lillith ..
( has a venusian-like symbol on the chart )

posted March 29, 2010 09:31 AM         

I think that is the lesson Lilith is trying to teach me but I honestly don't know what "being" a woman feels like or what a woman is for that matter, except the obvious.

posted March 29, 2010 09:45 AM         

Lilith is where women use their sex as a weapon (by saying no) and where men can hurt us through sex (also procreation)

No it's not nice at all
It's not like they want it and are asking for it.
It's more like taking it (possibly Rape) or explotation.

Lilith covers miscarriage, infant death, wet dreams, etc

posted March 29, 2010 09:51 AM         

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There is an informative post on Lilith in the Advanced Astro Forum.

Lilith is where women use their sex as a weapon (by saying no) and where men can hurt us through sex (also procreation)

No it's not nice at all
It's not like they want it and are asking for it.
It's more like taking it (possibly Rape) or explotation.

Lilith covers miscarriage, infant death, wet dreams, etc

This interp is for Black Moon Lilith
(from the list menu)

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Lalalinda
When Astrodient gives one Lilith--isn't it the Asteroid----not the Black Lilith or the other "bad" one.

Thanks so much Ami

posted March 29, 2010 09:59 AM         

Lilith

Her mythology dates back to Sumerian and Hebraic tradition.

She was considered the first wife of Adam, his wild and instinctual consort who animated his sexual longings and claimed equality with him, “because we were created from the same earth”. When he wanted to dominate her, she left him and chose loneliness and exile rather than subjugation. As ‘punishment’ for her rebellious act against the masculine, Lilith was regarded as a personification of the ‘feminine evil’, a demoness and ‘vamp’ that attracts and then devours male energy, the raging, ‘out-of- mind’, uncontrollable feminine, uncivilized woman who cohabits with men at her own will. The witch in her role as devil’s consort and the temptress and ***** / prostitute are some of the prominent dark Lilith archetypes and (particularly male) phantasies and projections in our Western societies.

Psychologically, Lilith brings up deep and primal issues like unbound sexual power, repressed feelings of rejection and rage, and yet refusal to submit. In a ‘Lilith state’, we are very irrational, but sometimes it seems as if that’s what it takes to bring out the truth from underneath. Perimenstrual times can guide us women to Lilith’s realm. I would suggest acknowledging themes that come up, and finding a safe, creative and transformational outlet.

The association with 'Black Moon' which some astrologers attempt to justify with calculations round the Moon's shadow in my view has to be regarded symbolically and psychologically: In mythology, Lilith got enraged about the 'diminishment of the Moon', in other words, about the treatment and self understanding of the feminine as secondary and inferior: As 'Moon', lots of women have been (expected to) merely reflecting back the sunlight of the creative, Sun-like masculine. Lilith's causes for claiming equality for the feminine were dual - for herself, and for her 'Moon sisters'. It reminds of feminists who fight also for equality on behalf of their home and family bound woman 'sisters'. Therefore, the 'Black Moon' speaks of the alliance of Lilith and Moon. It is always interesting to consider the relationship between Lilith and the Moon (and also Venus) in one's birth chart, to find out more about the dynamic of the inner 'feminine trinity', in women as well as in men (as their 'animas').

Many traditional men tend to avoid going to these muddy emotional (esp. Lilith and Moon) places; they let women ‘specialize’ on it and rather stay ‘in control’. Thereby, they perpetuate a projection of the demonic dark feminine onto ‘women out there’, while an aspect of their own inner feminine (the ‘anima’ ) cries for acknowledgment and integration. I would like to encourage men to deeply explore what brings out their ‘inner Lilith’.

Most of the (major) asteroids, like the planets, are named after Roman deities, which refer to the earlier Greek mythology.

posted March 29, 2010 10:09 AM         

The whole equality thing with Adam was because he wanted to be on top during sex therefore "closer" to the creator (God)

posted March 29, 2010 11:31 AM         

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I like the entry for sediment found in a dictionary, “solid fragments of inorganic or organic material that come from the weathering of rock and are carried and deposited by wind, water, or ice.” It’s quite poetic, in a way. I think of all the years that had to pass to weather the rock to grind it and chip bits off of it, and then the elements of the universe, the air, the water, perhaps even fire, taking these bits and bringing them down to earth, to the ground. And there sprang Lilith.

Lilith combines all of that plus metamorphosis into all that we have beneath our skin, the bits that didn’t wear away, that stayed alive and true about us. They are still there. We need to acknowledge them and face them - to make them our own. In that process we become real, not just a stick figure drawn in someone else’s notebook.

Lilith - along with Ceres and Pallas and Juno and Vesta - can shore our sense of self together into a tapestry that is written with our own names, the most sacred and highest, which are the ones we have created for ourselves.

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This was the part I could relate to.

posted March 29, 2010 11:55 AM         

the "good" one which is it?the one that astro gives in the list?

then there is the h13 which is the "Osculating Lunar Apogee ("True" Lilith / Black Moon)" and this is the one to do with miscarriages and baby death??

then there is another one h21 which is Lilith.?

Ami

OF which one are you talking please?

i have all of them in my 5th...

- Lilith Asteroid ( list astro)

18Aqua cj my Ceres

- h21 Interpolated Lunar Apogee (Lilith), also called 'Natural Apogee

15Aqua cj my Ceres

- h13 Osculating Lunar Apogee ("True" Lilith / Black Moon)

9Pisces. Cj my 6thCusp.

Lilit/Ceres/Lilith are trine my NN/Vesta/Tyche.

Wide sqaure my Karma/Valentine.

Black Moon Lilith is opose my Sun and sextile my IC/Pallas.

SINASTRY

my lilith/ceres cj his Moon
his lilith h21 is cj my IC/Pallas
his BlackMoon Lilith is cj my IC/Pallas 3º