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Topic: Reclaiming Lost Parts
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Ami Ann
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posted June 16, 2010 07:07 PM
 
I am reading a book by Liz Green and Howard Sasportas--The Development of Personality.
It says that you MUST reclaim pushed away parts of yourself of you will find them in the outside world.
For example--if you reject your own capacity for meanness---you will find someone to be mean to you .
Hence--you WILL deal with the personality characteristic but in an exterior way.
You must face who you are to be a whole person.
It has an exercise where you take aspects in your chart and you talk to them and listen to them'
You let them tell you what they bring you and what they need from you.
It has helped me very much.
I don't know if it is too personal to put out there or not but you can see if it resonates with you and add some of your own--if you feel led .IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 16, 2010 07:11 PM
The aspects I must incorporate are the Scorpio/Pluto aspects.
I am comfortable with the warm fuzzies--Cancer moon/mars.
They are sweet and non threatening but the Scorpio ones make me feel guilty like I am doing something wrong to be strong.
However, I am forcing those parts to show and express themselves.
I am reclaiming my total self as a result cuz we are many facets not just black/white i.e. good/bad.
Ami
PS She talks about taking ANY aspect such as Moon square Saturn, Venus square Saturn,Pluto oppose Mars etc not just a planetary position. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted June 16, 2010 07:19 PM
Have you ever operated different aspects of your personality in different worlds? I'm a Gemini Rising (twins) character, and I seem to often have a double life in some way. Growing up I was an average kid around home, but a sparkling, popular personality at church. As an adult I tend to be somewhat quiet at work, but online or even in my improv group I let loose those more extroverted tendencies. It's like I can handle being average, so long as I have a place to shine. I think, for me, this might accomplish some of those ideas of allowing certain aspects breathing room.A tough aspect of mine is the Sun square Moon. Don't know how to work that one quite yet I think. I am thankful for other harsh aspects. I wouldn't give up my Mercury opposite Saturn. It's a pretty great aspect generally. IP: Logged |
Dy-na-mi-tee
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posted June 16, 2010 07:23 PM
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For example--if you reject your own capacity for meanness---you will find someone to be mean to you .
I agree with that. I've read about that in Liz Green articles, previously. I have Venus opposite Pluto - My first love was very Plutonian. That experience changed me. I don't think there was ever a time when I saw things as black and white... good or bad. But I was unaware of the Plutonian side of me - and of my ability to be Plutonian, until this experience. I'm happy this happened early on in life for me because I feel like a much stronger person, in consequence. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 16, 2010 07:33 PM
Thank you (((Dy--na)) and ((AG))
I felt self conscious posting this topic .
There were several examples in the book where a man who could not accept his soft side--Neptune/artsy etc married a woman and she played out this side for him but he hated her for it.
There were different examples of all different types of aspects that one partner played out for another but the marriages were horrible because of it.
The unlived parts of the people came out like creatures from Hell and poisoned their lives. Ami IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 16, 2010 07:39 PM
AG
She was talking about Sun square moon. I am reading another book now by Erin Sullivan which talks about Sun square moon ,too.
I will write more when I read more on it but it is trying to resolve your feminine side with your masculine side.
Do you feel that you are always trying to decide whether to act according to your basic ego(sun) or your heart/emotions(moon) and that is is hard to find a middle point? Ami
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Ami Ann
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posted June 16, 2010 07:43 PM
I have Sun conjunct moon. I do not like this one.
I feel that I cannot separate my thoughts from my emotions.I feel like a stuck together blob where there should be separation 
That would be another aspect I need to work with.
Ami
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AcousticGod
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posted June 16, 2010 07:57 PM
There's definitely a push-pull in my psyche, but I can't distinguish what my heart would want separate from my Sun. I'm pretty highly Mutable, so I try to appease all my elements as much as possible. Of course that leaves me without a unified direction.IP: Logged |
Dy-na-mi-tee
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posted June 16, 2010 08:19 PM
Ami - Your Sun is at 28 Gemini.
Your Moon is at 8 or 9 Cancer - no?That's not a conjunction. Did I get it wrong? If your Moon is earlier in Cancer then it could be sort of "conjunct" but out of sign. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted June 16, 2010 09:54 PM
Ami, have you seen this? http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum25/HTML/001393.html  IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted June 16, 2010 10:12 PM
Yup, I used to reject the softer side of my personality, the part of me that 'needs'--->> what I've always associated with my Cancer Sun. That all changed when transiting saturn went over my sun. He sent me someone who was sensitive, needy, possesive, and jealous in some of the most unneccesary ways. What was worse is that he brought out some of these traits in me. What a learning experience that was.....IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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posted June 16, 2010 10:52 PM
I don't know if I want to reclaim a Moon square Uranus  IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted June 16, 2010 10:58 PM
I'd like to reclaim whatever gave me my social confidence - the comfort of speaking to anyone and everyone - making friends so easily (and keeping them - I'm too loyal to people who don't deserve it at times, though).I eventually find the self-esteem to get out of a bad situation... the rest of my self-esteem - feeling good about myself, and knowing that I can handle most anything - would be nice. (I had a burst of confidence tonight, but it dwindles.) quote:
For example--if you reject your own capacity for meanness---you will find someone to be mean to you .
Hence--you WILL deal with the personality characteristic but in an exterior way.
I don't always agree with the idea that I'll experience something with someone else, that I'm denying in myself - there are some things I just don't see myself doing. I understand personal responsibility, and that means that I will no longer deny that someone needs to take responsibility for their behaviour towards me. I had to stop automatically blaming myself, or understanding why they were acting in the way that they were, and letting it slide (especially since they wouldn't put up with that from me). IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 17, 2010 08:05 AM
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Ami - Your Sun is at 28 Gemini.
Your Moon is at 8 or 9 Cancer - no?That's not a conjunction. Did I get it wrong? If your Moon is earlier in Cancer then it could be sort of "conjunct" but out of sign.
Dy-na-mite-ee
I thought 10 degrees was a conjunction with sun and moon.
So--is it so far away AND in different signs that I can essentially forget it ?
I hope so lol.
Thanks for your input--very much! x o x Ami IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 17, 2010 08:09 AM
Thank you for that link, Teasel !!
It made me cry lol.  Ami IP: Logged |
Dy-na-mi-tee
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posted June 17, 2010 08:10 AM
Ami - I'd count up to 10 degrees if it was in the same sign. But the next sign? Naw.. PS. Check your email  IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 17, 2010 08:12 AM
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I don't know if I want to reclaim a Moon square Uranus
How does this aspect function, Lala?
x o x Ami
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Ami Ann
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posted June 17, 2010 08:17 AM
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I'd like to reclaim whatever gave me my social confidence - the comfort of speaking to anyone and everyone - making friends so easily (and keeping them - I'm too loyal to people who don't deserve it at times, though).I eventually find the self-esteem to get out of a bad situation... the rest of my self-esteem - feeling good about myself, and knowing that I can handle most anything - would be nice. (I had a burst of confidence tonight, but it dwindles.) [QUOTE]For example--if you reject your own capacity for meanness---you will find someone to be mean to you .
Hence--you WILL deal with the personality characteristic but in an exterior way.
I don't always agree with the idea that I'll experience something with someone else, that I'm denying in myself - there are some things I just don't see myself doing. I understand personal responsibility, and that means that I will no longer deny that someone needs to take responsibility for their behaviour towards me. I had to stop automatically blaming myself, or understanding why they were acting in the way that they were, and letting it slide (especially since they wouldn't put up with that from me). [/quote] The book says we will FIND that denied aspect out there but may not stay in a relationship with it forever. I see you just ended a relationship as I did.
Teasel--could you write down a few aspects you think could give you strength?
Then,if you want , we can talk about trying to mine the strength of them to help you feel more comfortable socially.
If it is too personal to do on LL--we could talk about it alone on msn. Ami IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 17, 2010 08:28 AM
AG
Today--I am gonna study about Sun/Moon aspects and will write more later. Ami
PS What is Mercury oppose Saturn like?
Does it make thinking hard or self expression?
It does not seem that way from how you express yourself here.
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Ami Ann
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posted June 17, 2010 09:06 AM
Teasel
This is what I am thinking --for myself--and it might apply to you.
I have to balance Neptune with Pluto. I have many more Neptune aspects than Pluto. Neptune aspects every planet except moon and Venus.
However,Pluto is strong too and can protect me if I access it--first.
This is my thinking on how to overcome things such as you and I talk about. x o x Ami IP: Logged |
jane
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posted June 17, 2010 04:10 PM
I can relate to this. In my family life, I was denied Chiron. Everyone else was Chiron, and it was my job to care for them. I wasn't supposed to let on when I needed help too.I have Chiron in my 7th house. It's cnj my Dsc. (Also in a grand trine and parallel my Moon.) I came into this world a soother. It's my nature. I'd put my arm around and talk to the person who was crying. I would pump up the scared person's hope and confidence. I would referee the fights. I would pull the environment back into a warm, laughing place when people were feeling torn to pieces. It didn't really occur to me that I needed help too. At least, it didn't consciously occur to me. I didn't think that part of myself was being ignored. Then when I was 12 I had t. Saturn on my IC. That put it square my natal Chiron. It's like all at once I felt the toll my home life had taken on my heart. I got deeply depressed for about a month. (It took about 6 months before I fully came out of it.) I couldn't take my home life anymore. I pleaded with my mom to leave my abusive dad. I was tired of comforting and healing chaos. I was tired of being the understanding one. I was at the end of my rope and needed it to end. I sobbed, and I wasn't a sobber. She said expressionless, "It's not that bad," and walked away. That felt like a slap in the face. I'd always done whatever I could to help her when she was hurting. At the least, I listened. Even with my siblings, they saw me as impervious to pain. Not that long ago, I said to my brother that growing up it felt like he and my sister thought I was a superhero and could handle anything on my own. I hoped he'd say I was being ridiculous, that of course I wasn't viewed like that. Instead he said, "Yes, don't you know you were a goddess to us?" I started crying. To receive confirmation that I was seen as something more than human, that's like being seen as something less than human. Even though it was a favorable view, it was still not who I really was. My relationship with my SO has helped me reclaim my Chiron. I finally learned to believe that someone cared how I was feeling, even when those feelings were painful ones. I'd been trained for so long to keep my hurt feelings to myself. It was hard to train myself to open up where it hurts, and to trust that I wouldn't be told to close that part back up. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 17, 2010 04:20 PM
Thank you for sharing that (((Jane))).
I am glad you found someone special to see you for who you really are.
It is so beautiful when that happens!
Ami
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jane
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posted June 17, 2010 04:34 PM
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I am glad you found someone special to see you for who you really are.
It is so beautiful when that happens!
Oh, God yes! So with our astrology chart...
Does who we are create these experiences?
Or do our experiences create who we are? I think the experiences help reveal who we are. My 7th house Chiron, 2nd house Sun-Neptune conjunction, and 10th house Leo Moon seem to pretty much spell out the way my family treated me. Did I come into this life wanting to love and serve, and not be seen as needful and human myself? Was I born into a family that kindly granted me that experience  bc that's what my soul wanted? It's hard to think of myself as a 2 year old actively denying my Chiron and in doing so creating the presence of damaged people in my life. The circumstances were there before I even had the chance to mold them through my choices. It must've been a pre-incarnation denial. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted June 17, 2010 04:46 PM
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Everyone else was Chiron, and it was my job to care for them. I wasn't supposed to let on when I needed help too.
That makes sense for me (Chiron conjunct my Sun); things then swung in the opposite direction, and once I admitted that I needed help (at least to my family, not going so far as to trust a therapist, who would be analyzing me, instead of being a peer who could relate), I had trouble getting out of that mindset. I'll be back to read the rest of the thread - I just saw that in Jane's post, and immediately hit "reply". *edit. My mother never let on that I shouldn't ask for help, I just assumed that I should be able to handle things. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted June 17, 2010 04:54 PM
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