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cappy1277
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posted September 13, 2010 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was just playing around with some charts and decided to do a PNE chart for myself. (I'm too bored). I know that the eclipse before your birth is significant in regards to your karma and people that come into your life but can someone please expand on that please?

I did notice that my sun and moon in my PNE is sagittarius 29d which is in opposition to my SO's saturn and conjunct his north node 0d orb. Interesting....

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posted September 13, 2010 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the NODES are the most important thing when it comes to destiny and karma. They really do mark turning points in our lives.

Your first Nodal return is a big deal. BIG DEAL.

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posted September 13, 2010 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not sure about PNE`s, as so many people share the same with you.

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posted September 13, 2010 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Rasperri on the nodes though.

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posted September 13, 2010 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with raspberri too but since that's a chart option, I was curious. : ) I still have a couple years till my 2nd nodal return but from I've witnessed with other people that seemed to be the time they went through a midlife crisis.

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posted September 13, 2010 02:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How does one work out the first nodal return please?

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posted September 13, 2010 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nodal returns usually happen about every 19 years or so. 2nd nodal return happens somewhere between 36-38. Just check transits for those years and you may be able to figure out your nodal return

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posted September 13, 2010 03:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks cappy

Si if my NN is 18' aries i just look for 18' aries in the ephemeris? cool!

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posted September 13, 2010 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're welcome Lara!
What house does your NN fall in? That'll be the area in your life that will be significant during the return

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posted September 13, 2010 03:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

My NN falls in 8th/9th cusp in placidus and 9th in equal.
Interestingly, i ended my marriage when i was almost 37 which might have been coinciding with my nodal return? My 37th and 38th years were basically protecting my kids, having another child, finding myself and my spirituality again and legal nightmare after legal nightmare.

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posted September 13, 2010 04:00 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ps

is it me or does the true NN goes backwards? lol

6th July is my NN return. I was 36.

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posted September 13, 2010 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My NN is at 16 Pisces in my 6th house conjunct the ruler of my 7th house, Mars.

When I had my Nodal return, I met the person I'm going to marry at work.

Pisces shows the extreme spiritual connection I was meant to have with this person. Plus his Draconic ASC is in exact conjunction with my Mars.

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posted September 13, 2010 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lara,

the True Node is in retro motion most of the time, but at very rare times it becomes direct. It is said to be extremely significant if that happens in progressions or so.

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posted September 13, 2010 04:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thats really interesting raspberri cos my NN is exact cj my saturn and cappy rules my 5th - children.
I left my marriage to save my kids and my emotional and mental states of mind.

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posted September 13, 2010 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes that is very interesting Lara. To be honest, the NODES were the first thing that I learned about it astrology, and it's what got me hooked because I couldn't believe
how true it was.

Very in your face and simple.

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posted September 13, 2010 04:55 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD, thanks.. i shall look out for it in direct

EDIT: i've looked up the actual day i ended my marriage and true NN was direct for that day only! How uncanny lol


Raspberri, yes, in your face is an apt description for how i left my marriage. It literally hit me in the face to wake up and smell the coffee!

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posted September 13, 2010 05:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They say that when you have your 2nd NN return its like having an epiphany.

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posted September 13, 2010 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://moonvalleyastrologer.com/moon_nodes.htm

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posted December 06, 2010 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyrjw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's kind of ironic that I found this post, I've been looking into the meaning of eclipses as well. :-)

Here's one resource that may be helpful.
I've also heard that either the pre-natal solar or pre natal lunar eclipse can give clues to a person's vocation as well.
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/eclipses/eclipses_article.htm

ECLIPSES

Every six months there is a solar eclipse, which influences us, according to where it occurs in the chart. The area of you life which is affected is determined by the house position of the eclipse. The planet in your chart the Sun last passed over prior to the eclipse determines the manner in which your life is affected.
Eclipses through the houses:

First House – This means everything that happens will be then more personally than usual. You will be more self-involved and will probably start at least one self-improvement project. Changes in personal appearance (such as a new hairstyle or a different way of dressing) are common. Circumstances may lead to temporary or even permanent personality changes. Physical changes may also occur, such as weight loss or gain. Overindulgence should be avoided; health matters may require your attention. Purchases made can be for items of personal adornment such as clothing and jewelry.

Second House – Brings financial matters to the fore. Material possessions will require your attention. Money, money, money—how to get more and or how to spend what you have. You may be up for a raise or decide to take a second job to increase your income. You may make big or important purchases at this time. You may also re-examine your values and priorities. Events may cause a change in how you see yourself.

Third House – Signifies a busy time with more physical activity in the form of running errands and making other short trips. The mind is usually more active. You may be required to give a speech or do some writing or record keeping. Papers might have to be signed. There will certainly be more correspondence and visitors than usual. Matters pertaining to brothers and sisters require attention or there is increased contact with them. You will be more involved with neighbors or there could be changes in your neighborhood. A move is possible.

Fourth House – Your family and home occupy your attention. You will be more involved with parents and their affairs, particularly your father. Real estate dealings may be stepped up. You could be involved in some way in a home improvement or home repair project. You can find yourself spending more time than usual at home. This is an excellent time to bring some long-standing situation to a conclusion. There may be a change of residence.

Fifth House – Children and their affairs can occupy you more than usual. If you are childless, then you may be involved with young people or a creative project. More time will be spent on recreation, entertainment and hobbies. This sometimes signifies a special and memorable vacation. Romance is a real possibility, and you could feel like gambling in some way.

Sixth House – Focuses on the work scene. There is more involvement with co-workers or subordinates. You may hire someone to work for you personally, such as someone to mow the lawn or a pool service or a caterer. Your health will require some attention, perhaps only a routine physical, or you will make changes in your diet or exercise routine. If you have pets, they could require attention or you might acquire a pet during these periods.

Seventh House – If you are single, personal relationships of all types require your attention. Suddenly how you get along with others is very important; you are more dependent on other people than usual. You may form (or discontinue) a serious relationship at this time. If you are married, you will have experienced some of this, as well as feeling that your life revolves around your spouse. Whether you are married or single, you may find that you are involved in confrontations or meet with opposition from others. Legal matters can arise which must be attended to. Counsel or expert advice could be sought concerning some area of life.

Eighth House - Brings the opportunity to bring some matter to an end that you have wanted to be done with; possibly something ends you wanted to keep going. This is the house of ending things so those new things can take their plaice. There could be dealings concerning taxes, insurance or legacies. Debts will be paid off (or incurred) or you may apply for a credit card or loan. For married people, this is a time of having to work more closely on joint finances. The opinions of others will affect you more strongly than usual.

Ninth House – Signifies an optimistic period. Things, or people, at a distance will become important or you may travel during this period. This could be either for business or pleasure. In extreme cases, relocation to a distant local (even a foreign country) is possible. You will be involved in learning something new, perhaps even going back to school. Religious matters or beliefs come to mind and you could be invited to at least one ceremony of some type (such as a wedding or christening). Some become involved with teaching or publishing during this period.

Tenth House – For working people, matters involving the career come to the fore. Sometimes there is so much happening at the office, or you are spending so much time at work, overtime, etc., that there seems to be little energy left for other interests. People may be in the process of changing jobs during the six months following this eclipse. Whether employed or not, you will attract attention in some way. Don’t plan on keeping a ‘low profile’ during this time. If involved in groups or organizations of any sort, you may run for an office or you may receive an award of some kind. Publicity, attention and recognition are the key words here.

Eleventh House – You will become more involved with groups of people. There could be some change in your income if it is dependent on salary. Goals or aims occupy your thoughts. Some goals may come to fruition, others begun, and still others revised. Friends will play a more prominent role in your life at this time, as you become more involved in their lives. In most cases, this time proves to be an optimistic period.

Twelfth House – Plan on spending a good deal of time alone. Contract with others and being ‘out and about’ is the less frequent. Restrictions are commonly experienced. They may be due to a variety of things; obligations, responsibilities, health problems or just a lack of opportunity, This is an introspective period, and things or people from one’s past can become objects of attention. Habit patterns, as well as motives and attitudes, should be examined and revised where necessary during this time.

Eclipses and the planets:

The planet in your chart the Sun last passed over prior to the eclipse determines the manner in which your life is affected.

Natal Sun – You’ll find yourself enforcing your own will and having to make decisions. You’ll be "in the driver’s seat," whether you care to be or not. This can draw attention to you and increase your sense of self-importance. You can use this time positively by learning to be more self-assertive if needed, but be careful you don’t get on a power trip! Since the Sun symbolizes men in general and important people, expect to be more involved with both. Important decisions are often made under the influence of this eclipse.

Natal Moon – Get ready for changes. They may be important changes or trivial, but things are not likely to be stable or steady during this time. Some will experience a more emotional response to events or their surroundings, and the imagination will be more active. Your mother or women in general, can play a more active role in your life. A positive use of this eclipse is to bring about changes you feel would be beneficial to you. Don’t try to get anything settled until after this is over, because it’s not likely to stay that way.

Natal Mercury – You’ll find yourself spending more time on the phone, papers will have to be read and signed, correspondence will have to be caught up with. Perhaps you’ll pay a visit to someone or receive more visitors than usual. Your mind will be very active, and all mental pursuits are favored. Be careful not to over commit yourself or overtire. It’s the mind that operates faster now, not necessarily the body. This eclipse favors taking up new course of study or going back to school.

Natal Venus – There will be an urge to be more materialistic, to beautify your surroundings and to socialize more. You will become more charming and seem more attractive. This is a good time for meeting and impressing new people, acquiring new things and self-improvement projects. Romances often begin under this eclipse. Redecorate your house or apartment, plan a new wardrobe or take up a new hobby. This is a perfect time for entertaining. This eclipse favors the receiving of gifts and increasing one’s income.

Natal Mars – You’ll find yourself involved in some sort of conflict with someone no matter how peace loving you usually is. This eclipse favors physical activity, which brings us to a positive solution; keep physically active and busy. You have a lot of energy right now. Direct it into competitive sports, exercise or just cleaning out that garage! When energy is not utilized, it leads to rash behavior and sometimes accidents. With the Sun last over Mars, automobiles usually require attention – buying them, maintaining them, repairing them or wrecking them!

Natal Jupiter – There’s going to be more of everything! This brings the utmost in confidence and optimism. If you can dream it, you can have it during this period. Material things, particularly status symbols, a better job, a promotion – all are within your reach. Whatever it is you’ve been wanting, now is the time to try for it. You will attract whatever is most important to you at the time in an amount depending upon how much effort you’re willing to put forth. You will find obstacles falling away. Be aware that this positive influence lasts for only a few months, so don’t make commitments you won’t be able to fulfill later. Since you may feel you can handle anything, overdoing it with food, credit cards, drugs or alcohol is easy now.

Natal Saturn – Get ready to accept more responsibility and to work harder. If you do, you could find yourself rewarded in some tangible way. If not, you could find yourself more limited or restricted. You may be placed in a position of authority or have more dealings with authority figures. Life takes on a more serious or somber tome. This is a good time to put things into perspective and see the reality of a given situation. No matter what your age, you can do some growing up at this time. Dealings with people older than you will probable are necessary. Try not to take yourself too seriously or get depressed by remembering that "to everything, there is a season."

Natal Uranus – Be prepared to meet with the unexpected. You will encounter sudden turns of events, and if you insist on careful planning and knowing exactly what to expect, you could be pretty unhappy during this period. But if you like excitement and change, or can at least adjust to it for a while, this could be a fun time. Little to do with the house or houses involved will go as anticipated. So hang loose and work on developing your flexibility now instead of getting upset. Things may work out better than the way you had them planned. Technology or new ways of doing things can be more important than usual now.

Natal Neptune – Things can sure get confused. People seem uncertain, refuse to commit themselves or prove to be deceitful. Sometimes you just can’t seem to put your finger on exactly what the situation is. The problem is probable you—you may not be direct and purposeful. Think things over carefully and get the advice of those you trust before making any important decisions or taking any action. If possible, delay any long-range plans or commitments (or major purchases) until after the sex-month influence of this eclipse has passed. You could find yourself daydreaming more and may experience a heightened interest in spiritual matters.

Natal Pluto – Any change that requires time and sustained effort is favored. Remember that sometimes you have to clean out the dead wood to make room for something new. The replacements are not likely to arrive, however, until after this eclipse has passed. Whatever is lost or changed during this time will tend to be permanent. What Pluto changes remains changed forever. Pluto acts as much on the psychological level as it does on the physical level.

About the author:

Eleanor Buckwalter has studied, practiced and taught astrology in Los Altos, CA for more than twenty-five years, including three years with the late Richard Idemon, a psychological astrologer. Her primary astrological focus of interest is parent-child relationships and family dynamics. To contact Eleanor, send an email to info@astrologyclub.org

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posted December 06, 2010 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyrjw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

http://www.mooncatsastrology.com/astro2/eclipses.htm#expl


~ SOLAR AND LUNAR ECLIPSES ~


Why pay attention to eclipses? Besides covering up the our Celestial lights in a spectacular way, and perhaps frightening some people still to this day - what significance do eclipses really have in our lives? Why do they actually stimulate dramatic events, such as death, separations and even earth changes and upheavals?

The answer lies not only in the gravitaional affect on our bodies and our earth - but also in our collective subconscious, and in the astrological significance and potential within our own natal birth charts, as well as the charts of nations (especially those locations directly within the path of totality.)

The eclipse seems to stop time, stop energy and stop movement - while also focusing energy. Where once there was light filtering through the elemental forces of the zodiac and into the earth's aura - there is suddenly darkness, nothingness - a temporary lack of input from the Sun or Moon that serves to bring our awareness closer to the energy of the Solar or Lunar season, and thus intensify it.

While there is a general influence on humanity with all eclipses, it is probably not necessary to pay close attention unless the exact position of an eclipse hits or opposes (or squares) a planet or personal point in your birth chart. Click here to read about the types of eclipses, too.

Lunar energy is internal, maternal, nurturing, deeply emotional - and absorbed and internalized by our astral bodies.

When a lunar eclipse occurs, the earth is passing between the Sun and the Moon, creating a Full Moon as we experience every month - but in this case, the alignment is perfect - the occultation of the Moon complete. The intensity of the Full Moon is great, yet she is totally covered for about an hour by the earth's shadow. The Sun and Moon are occupying opposite Astrological signs, therefore emphasizing the particular polarity inherent in those signs.

During the period of occultation, the Moon's reassuring light is temporarily suspended and withheld. We experience a crisis of lack, and the particular sort of lack depends universally upon the astrological sign in which the eclipse occurs, and personally upon the natal astrological house (realm of influence), as well as the major aspects made to natal planets.

This eclipse is particularly relationship oriented - and our connections with others can be severed, challenged, or suddenly welded together as the shock calls one to action. We may deeply consider our feelings and needs within the context of the house, sign and planetary aspects affected. To fully appreciate the potential in the lunar eclipse, we must explore both houses and signs that are brought into play. Where the Moon is - we can confront our demons, old habits and fears, and where the Sun is we may find the means to embrace a release from whatever bondage we experience in life through our creative efforts. In any event, there are opportunities for deeper understanding, and finding a balance in our lives.

Solar energy is external, paternal, protective, active - and reflected and expressed from within our life force.

When a solar eclipse occurs, the Moon is passing between the Earth and the Sun, creating a New Moon as happens every month, but in this case - the alignment is perfect, the occultation of the Sun by our Moon is complete. In a total Solar Eclipse, the intensity of the New Moon is strong because she is so near to the earth, and also because for those amazing few minutes the power of the Sun is bursting out behind her. The luminaries share space in the same Astrological Sign - and there is great power within the energy of that sign.

During the Sun's occultation, the Sun's life-giving light and warmth are temporarily suspended and withheld. Just as with the lunar eclipse, we experience a crisis of lack, and the particular sort of lack depends universally upon the astrological sign in which the eclipse occurs, and personally upon the natal astrological house (realm of influence), as well as the major aspects made to natal planets. This eclipse is particularly goal and purpose oriented - and our ideals and resolve can be enhanced and intensified. We begin to deeply consider our contributions in the world, and the full expression of our humanity.

The exact degree on which an eclipse occurs becomes a hot-spot of energy - a place where planets passing over and opposing within the next appr. 6 months can trigger further events and realizations related to the eclipse energy.

PRENATAL SOLAR & LUNAR ECLIPSES

The Solar and Lunar eclipses that occurred directly prior to your birth have a particular significance as well. These indicate, in the case of the Pre-natal Solar Eclipse, a gift you have come to earth to share with your fellows, and that hopefully you will succeed in manifesting and modeling for others. The Pre-natal Lunar Eclipse indicates a personal lesson you have chosen to tackle - coming from a past-life experience for which you have the opportunity to create balance in this lifetime. For more on the Prenatal Eclipses and what they mean to you, it is necessary to know the Sign and Degree in which they occurred, and to note where they fit in your natal chart. To find these eclipses, you may need an astrology program, an ephemeris or a book that deals with this particular topic, and for that I highly recommend this one!

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posted December 06, 2010 05:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for cappy1277     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks joy!! Great read!

Particularly interested in this upcoming lunar eclipse on the 21st...guess I will watch and see. : )

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posted December 06, 2010 05:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for joyrjw     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's another really good link to a discussion about prenatal eclipses.
http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/aa667daa-bc92-4c15-810e-527ad33d47c6


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