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Ami Anne
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posted November 02, 2010 07:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
PLEASE forgive another Neptune thread.If you don't like it, just ignore

Re-gaining my emotional health is a clearing of Neptune's fog.
I have had recurrent dreams,for my whole life ,of not being able to see.

I would be in all kinds of situations : driving, walking on narrow paths, having to interact with people and I could not SEE.

I was always too embarrassed and humiliated to tell anyone so I hid it.

Please write about your Neptunian times : any time you could not figure out WHAT was happening right in front of your eyes.

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Ami Anne
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posted November 02, 2010 07:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Could Venus Retrograde on my 12 degree Scorpio ASC BURN away Neptunes fog?
It feels as if it is.

It feels as if a laser beam is on me and it is burning away lies.

The hot fire stings and burns but under is the cool balm of truth.

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posted November 02, 2010 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
"Could Venus Retrograde on my 12 degree Scorpio ASC BURN away Neptunes fog?"

No. Only you can.


But maybe certain constellations could INDICATE a time that you are ready to do that.


Venus rules your 12th house, so probably the Rx Venus on your ASC is bringing the unseen, hidden, subconscious (12th house) to the surface, to recognition (ASC).

But actually it is not Venus who does BRING it to you; Venus is just the indicator for the internal processes inside of you.

What I mean is the stars don`t MAKE something happen; they just are describing / indicating.

Just like the pointers of a clock do not MAKE time, but only SHOW time.

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Ami Anne
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posted November 02, 2010 08:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I guess to answer my own question , Venus Retro exactly on your ASC must be like a mini Pluto.
It feels different than Pluto though, more focused,more intense on little things while Pluto unearths big things.
It feels like a magnifying glass when you put it in the sun over a leaf and the leaf burns.

I can SEE all these things that were hidden. It feels wonderful, really.

I will be back to talk about them.

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Ami Anne
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posted November 02, 2010 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, DD .
On some things, I can see all the way through which I could NOT since I was a teen.
When I was younger, I could separate the parts of me and have them all work together

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posted November 02, 2010 09:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
A 1st and 12th house aspect in opposition could have resulted in seeing people for what they are. When the veil was lifted. Not pretty.

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posted November 02, 2010 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Could you explain in more detail, Coffee. I am a relative beginner lol

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Ami Anne
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posted November 02, 2010 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
In my home you were told---Don't See, Don't Feel and Don't think.
Most importantly , don't learn to be an independent person with an independent way of perceiving what is going on in front of your eyes

The price of independence was total rejection, I think, being ostracized and thrown out, thrown away.

Neptune distorts, clouds, shades.For me, it's fog became a prison that followed me long after the actual prison door was open.

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posted November 02, 2010 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
Neptune's been strongly transiting my chart (1st house) for many years and I think by progression (or Solar Arc), right on my ASC. Very Neptunian times for me. Not always so fun. Especially when it opposes planets in my 7th. But been good for my creativity at least.

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posted November 02, 2010 12:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for T     Edit/Delete Message
And now I'm a Pisces rising by progression.

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posted November 02, 2010 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message
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In my home you were told---Don't See, Don't Feel and Don't think.
Most importantly , don't learn to be an independent person with an independent way of perceiving what is going on in front of your eyes

The price of independence was total rejection, I think, being ostracized and thrown out, thrown away.


Wow!!
This is EXACTLY what my Pisces is *told* (and still!) in his home. (with[out] words)
He's afraid as hell for his mom...
I fought against it because it's one of the main reasons we broke up you know..

His chartruler Pisces-Sun square Neptune (only aspect his sun makes)

I think Pluto on his IC and a Scorp-NN in the 4th also means a lot.

- My Uranus is on his Pluto/IC
- My Moon on his NN

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posted November 02, 2010 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Mir
You and I are on the same page, Girlfriend.
That is a powerful synastry you have with him--VERY powerful.
Your moon on his NN,. Your heart helps to bring him to his life purpose.
Your Uranus on his Pluto. You can help him explode his old home(4th house ) patterns.

I am not saying to stay or not, of course. Don't think I am trying to make you feel guilty
I am sure it is terribly hard to decide WHAT to do when he is not well.

I will be back later to write more about how the background of not being effects you.
to you, Mir

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posted November 02, 2010 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message
I got chills chills chills.. and my lap fell on the ground, thanx!!

Edit@ his moms Scorp-Sun is about exactly on his NN (where my Moon is) but euh.. to approach the truth.. she *hates* me (just saw her twice while being very polite, but.. myself I guess! - unbelievable what she recently said to him about me!)

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posted November 02, 2010 03:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mermaid26     Edit/Delete Message
Hi AmiAnne! I found this for you on Neptune. I haven't read it yet myself. I'm in the same confusion club as you sometimes with Neptunian haze. http://www.daykeeperjournal.com/2010/11/2306/

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Ami Anne
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posted November 02, 2010 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I can feel that Neptunian haze ,Mermaid. I DON"T mean it as an insult.
I can feel it in you cuz *I* have it.

I feel the sense that you and I can't touch the ground.
Do you agree?

I am coming out of it ,now, for the first time since I was 14.
The thing is that the stuff I see is SO Hard to see and so BAD that I can see why I went in to the haze.
It was a natural defense mechanism.


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posted November 02, 2010 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Mir
Those synastry aspects brought you together for a time.
How long you don't know .
What are your other significant aspects with him?
List some of them and let me meditate on them

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posted November 02, 2010 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I am gonna give an example of a Neptune lies /things that appear one way on the surface but are diametrically opposed in actuality.
Actuality is WHERE your heart is. So, you get sick cuz the appearance and your heart get totally different messages.

Hence, if you believe the appearance , you get sick .
You learn that you cannot trust your heart and hence have no navigational device/compass with which to go through life.

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posted November 02, 2010 06:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message

You are forced to believe the appearance of things OR your heart.

When you are a child, you pick the "appearance of things" cuz usually you will be severely rejected if you don't


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Ami Anne
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posted November 02, 2010 06:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
OK---Here is the example

My father called me to ask me if the message he left on my brothers phone was OK.
He read me the message, verbatim.
My father went on and on about that my father was NOT angry at my brother.

If my brother was angry, my brother was the angry one.

That looks fine on the surface.It is a simple message.

HOWEVER, the heart workings here were totally different.


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Ami Anne
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posted November 02, 2010 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
My father would never stand up for my brother against my mother's rages and humiliations of my brother.

My father would parrot anything my mother wanted to do to my brother, no matter how demeaning it was to my brother.

My brother IS angry about THIS.

My father is making it seem like my father is the good guy who is NOT angry and the anger is my brothers problem.

I don't know if I made the situation clear.

These things are very subtle. THAT is why they make you crazy

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posted November 02, 2010 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
I was thinking about you earlier.
I have big Neptune transits coming up.

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posted November 02, 2010 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Teasel


If anyone can relate to this type of Neptune deception, please share ,if you care to


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Ami Anne
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posted November 02, 2010 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Mir
There are things that make people "crazy"
In bad homes, you have to lie about what you see and feel.
You are TOLD what you see and feel and you better accept it or you are punished in such a way that you don't DARE buck it ,again.

You become a robot. You know you will be cast out if you do otherwise.

You don't want to be shunned, ostracized, so you give up your reality in order to belong.

Later, you are on your own but you can't seem to get your reality back.

Neptune can make you lost, wandering in some world that is not connected to this one.
You look like you belong but that is cuz only your outline is real.

You hang on to your sanity for dear life like a diamond ring which is worth millions.

You clutch it as you go down. You clutch it cuz it is all you have between you and some horrible place.


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posted November 03, 2010 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I can SEE. Little by little, I can SEE. Thank Goodness.
It must be Venus Retro on my 12 degree Scorpio ASC.
When I was younger, I had laser like perceptions(not to brag but I would see and feel things that were under the surface)
That was gone for years.
I could get it back when I really needed it but I had pushed it down for 95% of my dealings in life.

It is coming up ,again, like a volcano.

I think I can feel how Venus Retro works if it hits something major.
It is very strange.

It feels like something being forcibly shoved on you, some force pushing itself against you.

I can yield this time, the way I could not when Pluto did the same thing.

Since, I am yielding, it is unearthing me and bringing pushed down things to the surface.


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posted November 03, 2010 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
I don't think you're bragging. I think a lot of kids have the same experiences, but we grow out of it, if we dismiss it. Sometimes it can be strengthened.

I know my instincts were great when I was younger. They're more all over the place now, and I don't always trust when it's real or when it's me feeling concerned, or wanting something to be real.

Neptune worries me because of the possible self-deception. Or vulnerability that can come with it.

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