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Topic: My venus rx epiphany
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Diana Knowflake Posts: 2231 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 05:04 PM
People who put planets in your 12th house are weird towards you and can't be trusted. They really are your hidden enemy, even if you don't know it for many years, or at least they view you as an enemy, but there's weirdness there and they project all of their insecurities and things that they feel bad and guilty about onto you. They also think you are up to something nefarious, when you aren't but they usually are. It IS the house of neptune....How did I never realize this before??It really isn't YOU, it's THEM. IP: Logged |
NickiG Knowflake Posts: 634 From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann Registered: Jul 2010
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posted November 05, 2010 05:05 PM
lol, okie dokie then...but of course, i already know that since i dont have anything in the 12th------------------ Early in the morning, in the middle of the night Two men got up to fight Back to back they faced each other, drew their swords and shot each other If you dont believe my story is true, ask the blind man who saw it too :P IP: Logged |
Diana Knowflake Posts: 2231 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 05:09 PM
why do you know that since you have nothing in the 12th?I should say, venus turned rx opposite my saturn in my 12th and the NM is opposite my 12th. There have been a lot of FM's and NM's in my 12th/6th axis lately. I always thought they were just difficult people or it was me (I guess that was their planets in my 12th, making me feel responsible). But now, as I look back in a objective way, many years later, I realize it was always THEIR stuff they were projecting onto me. I will never be close to anyone who puts anything into my 12th ever again.
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NickiG Knowflake Posts: 634 From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann Registered: Jul 2010
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posted November 05, 2010 05:11 PM
well, since i have nothing in the 12th, it means i dont have anything hidden...i cant say my friends dont, but i know i dont have anything in the 12th so i dont have hidden enemies on MY end...i am scorp till the end so that means i'm loyal to my friends to the end but if friends or so-called friends dont feel the same then thats their problem------------------ Early in the morning, in the middle of the night Two men got up to fight Back to back they faced each other, drew their swords and shot each other If you dont believe my story is true, ask the blind man who saw it too :P IP: Logged |
Unmoved Moderator Posts: 2084 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 05:18 PM
I agree. I don't see 12th house stuff as "intimate" or however people see the 12th house in house overlays. To me, your planets in my 12th house means that there will come a day when I realize that I don't trust you. There might be a cause for this loss of trust, but sometimes it is just a feeling that tells you that something's up.Most times that someone's personal planets and/or Saturn was in my 12th, there have been trust issues. Especially Venus. His or her Venus in my 12th tells me that one day I will accuse this person of betraying me. Of course, there are exceptions and that is why I don't avoid people who place Venus in my 12th, but it has worked like clockwork thus far. If someone's planets are in my 12th, unless the person is highly mature, I know that we are going to be enemies, or that the possibility of being enemies is high because what happens is that both parties start off very happy and blissful, then someone's fears kick in and then it becomes a game of, "you will hurt me". I hate it when people put things in my 12th. Drama! IP: Logged |
Diana Knowflake Posts: 2231 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 05:28 PM
Nicki, You realize I am talking about other people's planets in your 12th in synastry, right?
Unmoved, For me, they didn't trust me and would accuse me of lying when I wasn't and other things. It turns out they were the ones lying and not to be trusted, but I didn't realize it until recently, after I have resumed contact with the people just as acquaintances and now I can see it so clearly. I'm very let down. I feel stupid for never seeing it before, but that's also so people's planets in your 12th. I feel shell shocked and betrayed. Hoodwinked, used, fooled. But I also realize it doesn't really matter because it's their problem and they're sh_tty people anyway. I've also learned we have totally different values and principles and that we have little in common. Interesting that one is a girl and one is a man, both friends, not lovers, but both acted exactly the same. I hope someone does it to them. Both had sun and mercury there, one had venus and saturn there too. I'm starting to wonder if it has something to do with they're the same sun signs in addition to, or more than the 12th house... IP: Logged |
NickiG Knowflake Posts: 634 From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann Registered: Jul 2010
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posted November 05, 2010 05:31 PM
yes, i realize that Diana...just saying though------------------ Early in the morning, in the middle of the night Two men got up to fight Back to back they faced each other, drew their swords and shot each other If you dont believe my story is true, ask the blind man who saw it too :P IP: Logged |
Diana Knowflake Posts: 2231 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 05:33 PM
It doesn't matter if you have planets in your 12th. I don't really, I have saturn at the very end of it, but it's more on my AC than in my 12th.
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Unmoved Moderator Posts: 2084 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 05:36 PM
Of course, it works both ways (the truth issues). In my experience, people didn't trust me and then acted out preemptively for their lack of trust in me, and then created a mess of things. I am usually the one who is trusting and just like you, I find out later that I was surrounded by wolves in sheep's clothing. I get accused of things I didn't do until I one day it comes to light that the person did something that betrayed me due to acting preemptively to the trust they didn't have for me.Does that make sense? Basically, there is usually nothing wrong. The planet person's insecurities always ends up in them doing dumb things to make up for the latent betrayal that I am about to administer on them. It is very stupid. And I hate to deal with those situations. I totally get your situation. It plays out like that most of the time with me. In retrospect I always realize that a person made up phantom things to be insecure about and I pay for it in the end. smh IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3178 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 05:39 PM
Diana, I don't know. I have my own moon in the 12th so I really can't make that statement. I will say that I am mistrustful of planets in my 12th from others but it's because the whole thing is nebulous and added sensitivity if your own planets r in there. My boyfriend's Moon conj mine in the 12th. I trust him. At the same time, I have nagging insecurities. My Moon doesn't usually like contact directly, so it's very hard to say. But he doesn't view ME as the nefarious one, if anything I am the one with the paranoia usaully as is my nature. IP: Logged |
Diana Knowflake Posts: 2231 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 05:39 PM
It makes total sense and I thought the same. I edited my other post while you were writing, I think.
I'm glad I finally realized, but wish I'd realized sooner. Now I know, so I can't be fooled by them again. Assh_les.
Haha, I'm really outraged because I never curse! I'm about to be over it though, just getting it all out. But right now I F-ing hate them, but I'm not even going to say anything to them, because they're dead to me now. This is all so scorpio!! IP: Logged |
Unmoved Moderator Posts: 2084 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 05:49 PM
Letting it out is usually also when you let go of it, so carry on IP: Logged |
NickiG Knowflake Posts: 634 From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann Registered: Jul 2010
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posted November 05, 2010 05:55 PM
yay scorpio!!------------------ Early in the morning, in the middle of the night Two men got up to fight Back to back they faced each other, drew their swords and shot each other If you dont believe my story is true, ask the blind man who saw it too :P IP: Logged |
Diana Knowflake Posts: 2231 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 05:58 PM
quote: Letting it out is usually also when you let go of it, so carry on
Oh, I know, that's the method to (avoiding) my madness. I'll be happy when this scorpio crap leaves, ffs. IP: Logged |
seeleah Knowflake Posts: 374 From: kokomo, IN, USA Registered: Dec 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 06:28 PM
you know this explains alot to me....My sun is in cancer in my 12th and my current on and off again boyfriend has a stellium in cancer and yes it hits my 12th house.... His sun, venus, saturn, pysche ceres mercury yeap.....all those.. and I had real big issues with trust with him...he trust me just fine...can it work backwards? no I don't hit his 12th at all, except with my pysche. thoughts?
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lechien Knowflake Posts: 514 From: my 30 cubic square meter room with a rat! Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 06:56 PM
eeeh, i was always weary about half of my Stellium house falling onto my partner's 12th. Sun, Mercury, Juno and Venus almost misses it and on the 11th house by like half a degree.am i going to betray him!? maybe i'll run off with a younger guy!? NOOoooo!!! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 2097 From: South of France Registered: Sep 2010
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posted November 05, 2010 07:02 PM
Ladies I think that the 12th house rules enemies AND the deepest unconscious. It is the house of undoing but also the house of the psychic things. I pose to you that planets in the 12th house in synastry could be people "getting" each other at the deepest unconscious level, the wordless level, deeper than the mind, in to the soul. Neptune rules this level of being------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
Lucia23 Knowflake Posts: 1632 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 07:05 PM
Aren't there different octaves or levels that ANY house placement or aspect, in synastry, transits, and the natal, can play out, though?Isn't there a plus side with 12th house stuff? IP: Logged |
Diana Knowflake Posts: 2231 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 07:05 PM
Well, I don't know what will happen with you two, Lechien. That's really up to you, isn't it? Seelah, It can probably work both ways, yes. The new moon, and previously, the degree venus went rx, is on my natal justice by mere minutes, so I am feeling some major righteous indignation. I am more mad at myself for being such a damn fool for so long, though.
I hope all this happening on my jutitia brings justice to me, and against all who have ever consciously wronged me or anyone else I know and care about who has been wronged. May all get a taste of their own medicine under this new moon. I don't know about you guys, but I can't wait to see what I whip up on my NM column later....
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MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3178 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 07:06 PM
Yes, Ami, it's true. I don't necessarily see it as bad, either. I think it's very intimate but then again maybe it's because my moon is there. Plus what if people have planets in their own 12th, does that mean conjunctions to them in synastry mean betrayal... ? It's very strange. But then so is the 12th house lol.IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3178 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 07:07 PM
Yikes, I don't wanna be on your sh!t list, Diana! You sound mad!IP: Logged |
Diana Knowflake Posts: 2231 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 07:11 PM
I don't do anything, though. I just feel angry and wish bad things on people, wish for karma: for them to get what they put out -- nothing more, nothing less. I only want an eye for an eye, which is what happens when you don't do unto others. But I don't take any action to make that happen, I just sit back and wait, because karma usually takes care of dirt bags. Too bad wishing aint getting, though.
And yes, I am angry. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 6795 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 07:11 PM
Hmm, I can`t say I have made the same experience.But sorry to hear you have been let down like this. Lucia,
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Diana Knowflake Posts: 2231 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 07:14 PM
Oh, give it time, DD, it took me 20+ years to wake up and figure it out. That's the 12th house, though, you deceive yourself. People's planets in your 12th is like a natal neptune in the 7th. IP: Logged |
lechien Knowflake Posts: 514 From: my 30 cubic square meter room with a rat! Registered: May 2009
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posted November 05, 2010 07:16 PM
well i'm sorry for your feeling bad, Diana. doesn't sound like a nice experience. Ami, yea i've been just looking at the nicer side of it. i'm gonna go on believing in that one. anyway i think that's the case for us! IP: Logged |