posted November 14, 2010 05:41 PM         

Lately I feel like I've been meeting a lot more people of this specific astrological era and I'm beginning to think more deeply about what this combination of planets entails.

I know you can't really isolate aspects, but I'm still curious about how these particular energies interact exactly. I was reading in Liz Greene's book on Pluto that this combination of planets natally can lead to pretty grim experiences with brutality, madness, and suicidal behavior and it struck me how extreme the nature of this combo could be.

posted November 15, 2010 01:32 AM         

Myself, it's conj the IC

Purple, she has the conj in the 1st.

From what she's posted of her life, and from what I know of mine, yea we have had some intense inner struggles.
But I don't believe intense inner struggles are a rarity or just a product of a Saturn/Pluto conj.

My conjunction also has Mars to add to it. It just gives a lot of focus, but it's in Libra so there's procrastination there as well. Slow to get going, but when I get going I'm like a bullet.

I think in another thread Purple and I agreed that the Saturn Pluto conj gives a quality of being like a formidable rock inside, a core strength, no matter what loss we encounter or how our lives may unravel, there's a spirit there that will fight for survival that can't be diminished.

"Any thoughts on my Mars being so close to it and what that means for me?"
None
Hmmmmm.....Well their Saturn/pluto isn't gonna let your Mars rest on its laurels, it'll prompt it to action, toward some big "cause", in whatever house it lands in your chart, of course depending on how their conj is aspected in natal & synastry.

"Also curious because I'm not really clear on how out of sign conjunctions work..."
They work if they're close enough in orb. You can't really be too generous with the orb out of sign.

posted November 16, 2010 12:20 AM         

But if you're dealing with someone (Saturn/Pluto like you say you run into) who can't honestly say where they may be deficient or scared and they take it out on you, the wrong way, just leave em be, don't try to change their focus, they just haven't learned to be open and accepting of themselves, and like the above poster wrote, can be destructive, so get out of their way if they want to self destruct, they just want to learn things the hard way.

But you're talking about people who don't have Mars there and I do, frankly I'm not bothered one way or the other if they have Mars there conj, but for them, the Libran Mars who usually act in a certain manner (unfettered by Saturn/Pluto) I think my intensity throws em a bit off balance, because I expect substance there too, not just endless charm/gagging about (which in a sense is basically what Libra Mars amounts to).

"I feel like sometimes my forwardness is met with apprehension and a really tough guard goes up."
Yea I can do that too..it's not because of your Mars, it's just in general. They may need time to suss you out a bit, and see if where you're at/what you're doing fits in with whatever view they have. The conj is in Libra so you have to show fairness and an egalitarian mind, don't go over the top with it though, they just want to see you as a team player who's on equal level. So they'll probably type you as a certain person, you just have to pass that test, that there's actually some strength or backbone in you, something real and honest and lacking bs and you'll be in. But don't force it, or you'll probably be shown the exit. Just let em suss you out and approach them with sincerity.

posted November 18, 2010 03:49 AM         

"if you've had good experiences with Scorpio Mars or other Scorpio planets?"
Well scorpio Mars doesn't jive well with my Mercury Aquarius, but they're the ones to have a problem with it, not me. I have Jupiter Scorpio and people with Scorpio for some reason respond to it and usually treat it like a friendship. Jupiter is laughs/good times. Lots of good times saying Scorpio-like snarky things, lol. And good things too
Surprisingly, or maybe not so much I dunno, I really get along v.well with younger people who have Scorpio Sun conj Pluto Scorpio. I think they're very sensitive, sometimes oversensitive, but really sweet and loyal.

"especially because it's in Libra and that seems to speak to my 7th house placement. "
Oh, so they're putting the conj in your 7th? Haha, yea. Why not, Pluto in the 7th for someone who has Scorpio Mars. Saturn in the 7th just says 'you cannot take this lightly' on both sides, then add Pluto, oh my.