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Ceridwen
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posted August 30, 2011 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake,

here is my progressed/ directed / natal chart.

Thanks for having a look.

In case you wonder why I picked that date: I will be on a short trip for a concert that weekend, and thought it would be a good date to pick therefor.



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posted August 30, 2011 09:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 30, 2011 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Sunshine, that was fast.

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posted August 30, 2011 05:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ceri,
Ahh-k, short trip so we're talking the 3rd, ruled by Uranus and sa.Uranus is in the 1st conj n.Neptune, so maybe you have some dream you'd like to realize through this venture? Neptune's secondary ruler of 3rd, actually 3rd is mostly made up of Pisces so that daydream daily reality you have is gonna be impacted. Neptune's in Sadge which brings everyone together for a higher purpose, people of disparate walks of life, so maybe you will be encountering someone much different than yourself who will have strong influence on you. Uranus/Neptune combo is really psychic and sensitive and attuned. So this has to be an interesting time for you. Uranus also rules your 3rd house of mind so conj to the Neptune which is already strong since its conj ASC and dispositor of H3 Jup, you could really be keen on experiencing different realities now. I know that you've had some psychic or supernatural sorta events/precognitions, things like that, of course, considering Jup in Pisces in 3rd with its ruler in the 11th, but that's all intensified now. V.cool conj to have, m'dear (!)

You have sa.Neptune (sec.h3 ruler) opp n.Saturn in the 8th and there is a rough feel to this, illusions being shattered and a restructuring going on. Your NN travels also with your Neptune so I have a feeling that you may be rebuilt from the ground up. Saturn on the SN will sever ties that you thought you needed. t.Saturn at the time will be squaring that opposition, so matters of intimacy will rear their head again.

Important also is t.Uranus going through the 4th, conj an angle, Uranus again ruling that 3rd, so lots of action with regard to h3 affairs. It shows there's gonna be some mental restructuring going on that will affect at deep level, a revolutionary sort of feel, breaking with the past. The trine to Mars will give enthusiasm to do so, maybe something rash but not too crazy. You just finished sa.Uranus going over n.Mars so that was a warm-up, a battle cry of sorts. sa.Uranus is conj n.ASC so again another important conj tied to the 3rd, again showing, really, your brain chemistry basically being completely re-worked, when it conj Neptune exact then I will say there will really be some amazing personal insights you'll be privy to, maybe feeling like you're getting msgs from a place that other people can't easily access, but that are exactly what you need to hear.

p.Sun/Merc/Venus all in Aquarius also adds to that revolutionary frame of mind, a feeling that the rules can be broken if it's in step with being true to yourself. p.Merc/Venus in Aqua just finished going over n.Moon, so that lended some clarity to your values, v.imp for a H2 Moon. Maybe you rationalized what you were feeling to an extreme but the point was that you got a clear handle on what you were experiencing, as if before you were wearing foggy glasses running on automatic. There's more Merc action with sa.Mercury conj p.Sun. Mercury ruling 7th so you're thinking of assets and what your personal worth really is. Moon progressing through the 7th can give a need for partnership, in Gemini it sort of mimics the recent Merc/Moon conj you had, so there's an interest in the verbal give and take with a partner, maybe it reads as now that you're getting clarity (moon/merc) you can better share your views with an equal on what you need (moon/venus) and have that be the bridge into a sustainable relationship (sa.Merc conj p.Sun, p.Moon through 7th). You're going to be getting clearer too as to needs and how what you love can co-exist with what makes you feel safe and secure but that's a bit later on, with p.Venus hitting n.Moon.
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So, can I ask what all this h3 action feels like (!) I have Merc Aqua so I can sorta fathom but you are the queen of Uranus/Merc insight right now. Lightning bolts, sudden clarity,

Look at our conj, your p.Sun/Merc/my DSC (0,1), my p.Moon/your p.Venus (2), my p.Venus/your sa.Venus (2), my p.Sun/your n.IC (2), my p.Merc/your Jupiter (2), Just thought that was funny

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posted August 31, 2011 05:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Lonake,

I will need some time to think about it and absorb it before I can reply in depth.

"Look at our conj, your p.Sun/Merc/my DSC (0,1), my p.Moon/your p.Venus (2), my p.Venus/your sa.Venus (2), my p.Sun/your n.IC (2), my p.Merc/your Jupiter (2),"

Very interesting. We have so much going on, major stuff and personally I really love a Mercury/Jupiter-conjunction.
And it`s just now that we`ve begun to talk more in depth; just shows that progressesions and solar arcs are great timers.

Jeez, staring at these aspects - they are really great aspects, aren`t they?

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posted September 01, 2011 07:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Ahh-k, short trip so we're talking the 3rd, ruled by Uranus"
Yes, Uranus was always at play big times in short trips that simultaneously made me overcome fears or stretching out my (mental) boundaries.
Makes sense I guess.

"so maybe you will be encountering someone much different than yourself who will have strong influence on you."
yes in a way. The Sag who is giving that concert definitely had an impact on me some years ago, when I actually talked to him.
But now it`s just for fun and entertainment purposes really.

"you could really be keen on experiencing different realities now."
As a matter of fact I do.

One thing that has been kinda strange is that everytime I am in the same city as him, I`m experiencing this electric energy in my crown-chakra and hearing his voice and surrounding noises inside my head. It`s quite disconcerting.
Last saturday I had that again, even though I hardly think he was in my hometown that night, unless he was visiting friends there. lol
Anyway I was really hearing the clanking of glass in my head, various voices, mumbling and then his voice, very clear, that said: "Anyone mind if I close the window? I feel like there is a cool draft."
LOL
If I am going nuts, this is a very interesting sentence to hear inside my head. So ordinary.
But the thing is I heard it as clearly as if he had been in the neighbourhood.
Well his Mercury is exactly conjunct my Neptune, maybe that is why.

I`m not even having a crush on him, so I think that is simply weird.
But weird makes sense with Uranus/Neptune, doesn`t it?

Actually in our first meeting chart the ASC is on 10 Sagittarius, EXACTLY conjunct my Neptune/NN and his Mercury. Figures, I think.

"I know that you've had some psychic or supernatural sorta events/precognitions, things like that"
Yes, and they are not limited or focused on that guy. Actually my psychic antennas have generally been very sensitized for the last months.

"You have sa.Neptune (sec.h3 ruler) opp n.Saturn in the 8th and there is a rough feel to this, illusions being shattered and a restructuring going on."
Yes, though that has been the theme of the last half year or so. Maybe the opposition lost a lot of impact once it became exact?
Cause it was around that time that I suddenly felt like there was an inner "breath of relief", a certain fresh breeze and like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders or actually off my soul.

"Saturn on the SN will sever ties that you thought you needed."
Yes, it did. Have finally been able to let go of an emotional burden I`ve been carrying around with for many years, which originially started out as a really strong infatuation. Funnily when it became that "emotional burden" Tr Uranus/Neptune were opposing my natal Saturn exactly. No coincidence I think.


"t.Saturn at the time will be squaring that opposition, so matters of intimacy will rear their head again."
That`s interesting. I shall see how that will manifest.

"Important also is t.Uranus going through the 4th, conj an angle, Uranus again ruling that 3rd, so lots of action with regard to h3 affairs."
I`ve been moving last year close to my parents again.
And my brother, who has the Down syndrome, finally moved back in home again (He had been trying to live in a house with several other mentally handicapped people and of course caretakers, because my parents wanted to give him the possibility to be around people of his age and be as independent from them as possible, but it did not work out).
My aunt, who is like my sister actually, is moving away for a year or so.
And of course this means many changes in the family and home.


" It shows there's gonna be some mental restructuring going on that will affect at deep level, a revolutionary sort of feel, breaking with the past."
Yes, that is definitely true.
The athmosphere feels a lot less stifling than it has 2 years ago, and I feel like standing on the edge of a new path into an unknown future. It is just a feeling. And it is a bit scary, cause I have no idea what to expect (that is the positive about fixed ideas, you think you know what is to come -now I have no idea), but of course it is exciting. A world full of possibilities, when 3 years ago I actually had the feeling like my life was practically over. NOt that I planned to die or something like that, but just the feeling of no more places to go, to discover, to develop - and you know what THAT can do to a Jupiter/Uranus/Neptune-girl!
Actually it was through meeting that Sag, that I realized, how silly and wrong my perception of myself and the boundaries in my life really is.
It was not even that spectacular of a talk we`ve had, but somehow something inside me just "switched".
And that is why I am still talking about him I guess.

"when it conj Neptune exact then I will say there will really be some amazing personal insights you'll be privy to, maybe feeling like you're getting msgs from a place that other people can't easily access, but that are exactly what you need to hear."
I can`t wait for this actually!

HAHA, this will actually be on Samhain / Halloween 2012!
My sacred day of the year, how fitting!

Well, actually it is the period of 31st october - 5th november 2012.
I guess this will be an interesting meditative time. Or with Uranus, maybe electric-magnetic.


".Sun/Merc/Venus all in Aquarius also adds to that revolutionary frame of mind, a feeling that the rules can be broken if it's in step with being true to yourself."
Yes, and that one can step over selfimposed boundaries.
I`ve always been scared about travelling (yes, a know a Sag scared about travelling. lol), especially on my own.
But being single, you sometimes do not have a choice.

First trip on my own was to Paris to meet people I knew from an internet forum and to see a certain musical singer (he had been playing Judas in the new Jesus Christ Superstar-film - which is odd, the first musical I saw the Sag in was Jesus Christ Superstar, too, and when I saw him two weeks ago, it was agian Jesus Christ Superstar - hmm, what is it about THAT musical for me?) - anyway, I almost did not go out of fear something could go wrong. Actually it DID go wrong, the hotel "forgot" my hotelreservation (but I could share the double room with an email friend of mine, which I had not even ever seen before - crazy hu?). at that time Tr Uranus was conjunct my Moon.
I`ve had one of the funniest times in my life.

Then when I went to London for the first time, I was plainly scared again, but hoped to rely on my brother and email friend I wanted to meet there. Both had to cancel in the last minute, so I had to go on my own there! Arriving at the hotel it seemed like my credit card did not work at first! Panic, but then somehow, it got solved.

Sun had just progressed into Aquarius squaring natal nad progressed Uranus, and on top of that Tr Uranus was in my 3rd house squaring my natal Sun/Mercury-conjunction EXACT!
I had a marvellous, wondrous time!

This year going to London, surprisingly everything went as it was supposed to.
I donīt know I expected the unexpected, but did not expect the trip to go smoothly. lol
But it did. It was exciting and thrilling and actually almost every minute of the day I want to just go back. lol

Tr Uranus conjunct my IC and squaring Venus (when Tr Uranus was conjunct my natal Venus it was the first time I fell head over heels in love, and though nothing really ever came of it, it was one of the most carefree and happy times I remember, despite Tr Pluto being square Moon simultaneously).

And of course the Sa Uranus was already in play!

So, actually I`ve come to love Uranus, being curious to the suprises he has for me. But it really is only a good experience when I "go with it".

"Maybe you rationalized what you were feeling to an extreme but the point was that you got a clear handle on what you were experiencing, as if before you were wearing foggy glasses running on automatic. "
Yes,t hat is true.
The very important lesson or message I received during the last months maybe last year has to do with feelings.
How I was never sure if I was really feeling something or just talking myself into feeling something. With Neptune`s fantasy and imagination it is not that difficult to build a "fake-feeling" up.
What I learned about myself though is that feelings resonate in my body. I h ave to listen to my body and somatic reactions, that is how I can know if a feeling is true (as in: not generated by my mind only).
Surprisingly it really works.
If I don`t feel it resonate in my body, it probably is not really there, and I may just wish it was.

It sounds so profane, but it really was a big thing for me.


"with p.Venus hitting n.Moon."
I`m hoping it will be a good one. Especially with Venus ruling 5th and Moon ruling 8th house.


What orbs do you use with progressions / Solar arcs?

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posted September 02, 2011 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"One thing that has been kinda strange is that everytime I am in the same city as him, I`m experiencing this electric energy in my crown-chakra and hearing his voice and surrounding noises inside my head. It`s quite disconcerting."
---Is it a quickening sort of sensation? Not fear or nervous just a feeling of being driven on a fast train to your destination?

"Well his Mercury is exactly conjunct my Neptune, maybe that is why."
---A marker for telepathy. I had a strong quickening feeling as well as telepathy with the person I mentioned in your house rulers thread. The quickening was before we met, I didn't know what it meant at the time but now I read it as heading into a situation that will have a big impact on my life, the train feeling was strong for me, almost as if I could hear the world rustling by as I was moving forward, air moving fast outside the window. We first met when I was on vacation and the quickening I felt about a month or two before even boarding the plane. And it wasn't excitement for going on vacation, it was something so -heightened- and strong, a feeling that something was waiting for me over there and every second that passed brought me closer to it, but not a bad feeling, more like being buzzed (no alcohol involved, I promise ).

"very clear, that said: "Anyone mind if I close the window? I feel like there is a cool draft.""
---But we never had telepathy when we were not in person, so this is quite different. I think it's very cool actually. I mean, if you already know the person and what they sound like, it's not as if it's an imaginary friend where their voice could sound like popcorn popping and only you knew what they meant.

"Actually in our first meeting chart the ASC is on 10 Sagittarius, EXACTLY conjunct my Neptune/NN and his Mercury. Figures, I think."
---v.Potent (!)

"The athmosphere feels a lot less stifling than it has 2 years ago, and I feel like standing on the edge of a new path into an unknown future. It is just a feeling."
---Trust it because it is true.

"hmm, what is it about THAT musical for me?"
---I dunno, but you have Sagittarius (religion) all over your 1st. Recognizing your inner divinity in order to shine? And then right on the Asc is Mars/Neptune. I bet if you were a man you would think you were quite mythic (!)

---I'm feeling v.sleepy so will respond to rest tomorrow---

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posted September 02, 2011 06:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"s it a quickening sort of sensation? Not fear or nervous just a feeling of being driven on a fast train to your destination?
Partly. The quickening - yes. Also a feeling of being very present, very much "in the moment", if that makes sense to you.
Not sure about the fast train feeling though.
To be honest that feeling was MUCH stronger when I was undertaking this trip to London last month.
Like sitting in a train, that has been put into motion, and the only way to get out, would be actually jump out of the door. Not that I really wanted to. lol
And even though it started moving slowly, it quickly gained speed.
But I am not really sure I had that with the Sag, and I probably would remember.
It`s just whenever I leave a place where he had been and go back to my hotel, I have the almost physical feeling as if I am going into the "wrong" direction. It`s a weird thing.


" marker for telepathy."
Yes, I think it might even be stronger for me, since Neptune rules 3rd house and my communication is a bit strange anyway.

Also, I think you do not like asteroids too much, but these here I find just too interesting.
He has Pallas on 24 Aquarius and Psyche on 25 Aquarius, both being conjunct my own Psyche on 24 Aquarius.

And when we met and had that little chat, his my pr Psyche had been conjunct his pr Psyche (they walk in tune with each other through time) and natal Eros. I just found that really funny.


"The quickening was before we met,"
I saw him, before I met him on an open air concert (even though I only really noticed him, because he suddenly raced up the stairs to where my friends and me were standing and threatened to stick a microphone into my direction, if I hadn`t quickly retreated and hid behind my friends; I hope I did it not in a much too obvious way. But me singing? NEVER. *laughing*).
Anyway maybe 2 weeks before that I was having a dream involving a "Sacred Marriage" ritual in Druid-times, and there was a young man. I am not totally sure it was him though.
The freaky thing was that my friend mailed me the next morning to tell me about a dream she was having about me and someone. And she was describing me my dream, just from her perspective!
And 2 weeks later he surfaced in my life.
Maybe that was just a coincidence. Or maybe it is just a bit of past life recognition,a nd there really is not much more to it.

Actually when I read his name on the guestlist of the concert (which sounded very familiar to me, even though I had never seen him anywhere before), I didn`t want to go there anymore. My friends had to literally drag me there. I just had a funny feeling in the pit of my stomach, though I had no clue what it was about.
He is not that scary, really.

But all of that has been many years ago. Except for the telepathy thing, that still seems to be pretty much active nowadays, but luckily only rarely.

"I read it as heading into a situation that will have a big impact on my life"
Yes, I think he had a big impact on my life, as I described in my last post. But transitory, you know?
I never had that "destination"-feeling you were talking about, more like he was some kind of catalyst. Does that make sense to you?
Nowadays I am just enjoying seeing him now and then (maybe once a year, or even only once in two years, or like now twice within 6 weeks. lol It was coincidence that these dates were so close to each other, honestly), and I was pretty surprised about that kind of telepathic effect. Surely did not expect it.

"and strong, a feeling that something was waiting for me over there and every second that passed brought me closer to it, but not a bad feeling, more like being buzzed (no alcohol involved, I promise )."
Strange, what you describe there, fits my vacation in London much better than seeing the Sag. Even though, yes, he gives me a feeling of being buzzed, (no alcohol nor other drugs either). I think it is just his energy.

Also I am fascinated because we have Sun`s in conjunction by one degree; his is conjunct MC; mine in the 1st house.
Also, my Sun conjuncts Mercury and his is conjunct Moon.
He is the absolute posterimage of a Sag to me; but where I am dissecting everything analytically, he seems to live on pure instinct, and I surely do not understand how one can do that, but it is fascinating to observe.


"I mean, if you already know the person and what they sound like, it's not as if it's an imaginary friend where their voice could sound like popcorn popping and only you knew what they meant."
Well, I do not really "know" him. I was talking to him for maybe 20 minutes or half an hour, and that`s it basically. Really nothing to write home about. But for some reason he left an impression.
But yes, I know how his voice sounds, and it was his voice I was hearing. I sometimes hear my mum`s voice calling me as well; and when I pick up the phone, she very often has just been talking to my Dad or someone else about me or just been thinking about me.
Does not work all the time, but pretty often. But then she is my mum, so it is much more understandable than having a stranger`s voice inside my head.


"I bet if you were a man you would think you were quite mythic (!)"
Yeah, well, I AM mythic, man or not. Nah, just kidding.
Though I remember as a kid I identified a lot with Artemis. No clue, why Artemis though.

Anyway, I love myths. I even think in mythic symbolism, maybe that is why I was drawn to astrology in the first place.

You know what is funny? The play I saw in London has the title: "Anna Christie", and the one thing that occurred to my friend and me was how it is drenched in Christian symbolism (very much about forgiveness and redemption). Heck, at one point one of the protagonists was lying on stage, and he was lying in the Christ-position!
Probably not many people noticed that, but if you watch a play four times you tend to take in the details. And I do not think this was a coincidence.
I am actually rather fascinated with the Christian symbolism of the play, though it all was very understated.

---I'm feeling v.sleepy so will respond to rest tomorrow---
have a good rest

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Hi again Ooh I had a bad migraine last night and had to cut out. Had to call the police yesterday afternoon about a local matter and the whole thing did not sit well w.me (!) Otoh it gave me new insight to my Saturn which rules H6 conj Mars in H3. D'oh (!)

OK (!)

"Then when I went to London for the first time, I was plainly scared again, but hoped to rely on my brother and email friend I wanted to meet there. Both had to cancel in the last minute, so I had to go on my own there! Arriving at the hotel it seemed like my credit card did not work at first! Panic, but then somehow, it got solved."
---I think if I'd been involved in so many travel hassels such as those I may not go anywhere ever again, thinking I was cursed. Luckily for you it's just Uranus so there's good-craziness involved.

"I had a marvellous, wondrous time!"

"It was exciting and thrilling and actually almost every minute of the day I want to just go back. lol"
---Goooood, Uranus was behaving (!) --I know it sounds weird to put it like that (!)-- I've been to london and it had a electric vibe, something v.strange about england but in a good way, sometimes, lol. I liked France more, the people were nicer, laid back.

"But it really is only a good experience when I "go with it"."
---Do not tell it where you want to go or how you want it to happen. I've had enough composite hard aspect Uranus aspects, you have it down pat (!)

"What I learned about myself though is that feelings resonate in my body. I h ave to listen to my body and somatic reactions, that is how I can know if a feeling is true (as in: not generated by my mind only). Surprisingly it really works."
---I've never heard anything like this except for being related to intuition. Now I'm curious (!) IC ruler Mars conj ASC? The conj to Nept shows the nebulous prior association, and the need to define to be able to cement yourself (asc) in reality for clear direction (mars)? Neptune secondary ruler H3 so maybe the mind playing tricks? Moon rules the 8th, so primal intuitions are constantly changing as per Moon rulership, fixed in Aquarius in the 2nd the need to intellectualize and make them work for you rather than against? Just musing here.... Or just simply Moon in H2, that Taurean association?

"What orbs do you use with progressions / Solar arcs?"
---Ideal is exact but I'm comfortable with 2-3. Depends, if I see a theme like I saw in yours I'll branch it out to see other areas being influenced just for added info.

"He has Pallas on 24 Aquarius and Psyche on 25 Aquarius, both being conjunct my own Psyche on 24 Aquarius."
---I've heard psyche sometimes related to telepathy, i forget about pallas. I have noticed eros at work when in strong conj, so I understand that anyway (!)

"But transitory, you know? I never had that "destination"-feeling you were talking about, more like he was some kind of catalyst. Does that make sense to you?"
---Yes I still see that as big impact, influencing change of direction, no?

"Also I am fascinated because we have Sun`s in conjunction by one degree; his is conjunct MC; mine in the 1st house.
Also, my Sun conjuncts Mercury and his is conjunct Moon."
--His MC/His Moon/His Sun/Your Sun/Your Mercury all conj, is that right? Those huge personal planet synastry stelliums are so intense (!) I guess with your Mercury there on his Sun he was on your mind often? I've found the Sun person naturally inclined to talk to Merc in conj as they will be receptive to what the Sun has to say, it just feels like a great sounding board, as if they wouldn't reject you (just isolating this). For me with those whose Merc is on my Sun I am right there blabbing away, omg I really shouldn't I should shut up but I can hardly help myself and the poor people have Merc in Pisces so they're not gonna tend to be rotten about it, lol, Pisces just sits and stares. Same thing with Aquas whose Suns are on my Merc, cept with them since I only have Merc in Aqua and it's not a major player in my chart I think, wait, you're OK but what do we have in common, again (!) lol.

"he seems to live on pure instinct, and I surely do not understand how one can do that, but it is fascinating to observe."
---Your Moon is basically unaspected, save for an inconj to Saturn, and it doesn't have Fire association even in its dispositor. His is conj Sun and a major angle, was that some of the draw? The conj stellium drawing you in and then the way he handled his emotions so deftly? Or do you feel the trine to Pluto?

"Though I remember as a kid I identified a lot with Artemis. No clue, why Artemis though."
--Daughter of Zeus, Jupiter association (Sagittarius), and associations with hunting, Mars on Asc? Makes sense in a roundabout way.

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posted September 03, 2011 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Lonake

sorry to hear about your ailments yesterday. I hope everything is alright again.


"Otoh it gave me new insight to my Saturn which rules H6 conj Mars in H3. D'oh (!)
OK (!)"
Oh, I think I rather not get into an argument with you then.
I think I like Mars in H3 though. Direct, to the point, honest. That`s how I like it (must be the fact that the ruler of my 3rd house is conjunct Mars and is sitting in 1st house).

" think if I'd been involved in so many travel hassels such as those I may not go anywhere ever again, thinking I was cursed."
Yes, that thought crossed my mind.
The thing is I haven`t been on holidays for many many years, until I sat myself down to talk to me and telling myself in a stern voice: "FAce things as they are. You have interests, not many people share. You are not in a relationship. So, if you want to go someplace, you will have to go there on your own. And I know you are scared, but if you really want that, just get yourself together and get packing."
And that is what I did.

Well, I must say though, my fear got the better of me in 2007,w hen I first wanted to go to London. Some things went really wrong with the train, but the staff would have made it possible for me to take a later Eurostar (I do not fly), so it was me who chickened out then. Not a good feeling.
But 2 years later I had a reason to really really want to be there.
I mean how often do you get the chance seeing Jude Law on a stage?(
Well, I could not know that I would get another chance two years later, could I?
(though I would have known, if I had trusted my dreams)

And I am happy I did all that, gave me a boost of selfconfidence.
Besides in some weird way I feel "safe" in London, almost as if I have extra-protection there. Dunno, what that is. I am usually so fearful of anything, especially unknown places or unknown people, but not there.
It just feels like "home".


"'ve been to london and it had a electric vibe"
Yes, that was my exact sensations; the first time around it was extra-strong, overwhelming. I got off that train and wanted to stand in a corner, cover my ears and scream, just because the energy was so strong, it overwhelmed and sharpened all senses. It was like I had been living in a dark cave for decades, and suddenly stepped out into an august day with its blazing sun, hearing the clear chatting of the birds for the first time, instead of the muffled echo in the cave.
Of course it was just that energetical vibe, that at first was too much, and all these people with their emotional vibrations, that I was unable to filter out at first. Too much.
Until I just went with it, and turned out that the energy kind of "carried" me.
This time it was easier, just because i was more open anyway.

But both times, by the time I left England, most noteably in Brussells (I was taking the train), I felt this lowering of energy, like air that is being left out of a balloon, and everytime the train is in Brussels I suddenly feel nauseous, dizzy and weak. I am not yet sure if it is the dissolving of London-energy or if there is something about Brussells that my psyche can`t handle too well.
And with it everytime comes that feeling of being "exiled", a strange sort of deep sadness to have to leave the one place I belong (I do not even know why I wrote that. Strange. It is only a place after all).

I like France and Paris, too. And I will go there next I think. I feel a sudden pull there (my parents were in France and my brother in Paris this summer, so maybe that is why), but it is more relaxed, less intense for me.


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"anything like this except for being related to intuition."
Well, Iīve always had difficulties to identify myself with being a physical being. There was something about the physical that I rejected, preferring living in my mind. And it is just now, actually since I met that Sag, that I have heightened awareness of my body, how certain things feel in a physical way, very Taurus/ 2nd house-stuff I think.


"IC ruler Mars conj ASC?"
Yes, I associated it with that aspect.
Emotions influence the physical, or maybe emotions are perceived in a physical way / through the body.

"Neptune secondary ruler H3 so maybe the mind playing tricks?"
Not necessarily tricks, but bringing much fantasy into it.

"Or just simply Moon in H2, that Taurean association?"
Definitely, I think that is a Taurean phenomenon, yes.


"---I've heard psyche sometimes related to telepathy, i forget about pallas."
IQ said that Pallas might govern pineal gland activity, so I thought it was contibuting to the Psyche-theme. And it all happens in electric Aquarius.

"es I still see that as big impact, influencing change of direction, no?"
Oh yes, definitely.

"--His MC/His Moon/His Sun/Your Sun/Your Mercury all conj, is that right?"
Yes, within 3 degrees.
his Neptune is 5-6 degrees off my Sun and Mercury.


"I guess with your Mercury there on his Sun he was on your mind often?"
Yes, you can say that.

" I've found the Sun person naturally inclined to talk to Merc in conj ...as if they wouldn't reject you"
Yes, you could be right about that.

I met him at the stage-door of course, which was an unusual thing for me to do and I still do not know why I did it, I actually had the feeling like I was acting out a "script" I had no prior knowledge of.
I was waiting a bit in the background and distance, cause I really wasn`t sure aobut if I should be doing that.
There were other, younger, much prettier and extrovert women, there, too, much closer to the stagedoor.
But when he came out, he surprisingly was heading directly towards me, and the girls had to step into his way to get his attention.
*scratches head* That was actually, well, strange.
I am usually "invisible", but not to him for some weird reason. He might not recognize me from that meeting, but he still sees me no matter where I am sitting, especially on these open air concerts. It`s a weird thing. I sometimes was wondering if that maybe was my Sun being conjunct his Moon?


"For me with those whose Merc is on my Sun I am right there blabbing away, omg I really shouldn't I should shut up"
Yes, he was talking a lot!
Trying to be extremely funny (he has got quite a goofy sense of humour); I guess he was still a bit "high" from the stage experience, as this was a very intense role he had to fill out.
He was just as weird as me, It hink. At least I have never met someone like him before.
Little example:
He was asking me if I was wearing a certain perfume. I was not. He didn`t seem to believe me. And actually was sniffing at me, probably to figure out if I was wearing that fragrance and lying (why should I?) or if he was wrong (which does not happen in his world I think. lol).

Anyway, it was kinda funny, (observing from detached Aquarian mode), and I can honestly say I have never had a person sniffing at me within 5 minutes of meeting before.

A little bit crazy. Very Uranian I think.

Also, I was asking him for an information. He didn`t have it, which I thought was okay and a good moment to, well, leave.
But he wouldnīt let me, but asked me to wait a few moments, then called his parents to retrieve the information, and I just found that, well, I guess he is just a typical Sag. I think I have never really met one before. lol

But of course that was one of the more remember-worthy meetings.

Maybe I should delete that part after you read it, cause I may seem like a complete nutcase.


"His is conj Sun and a major angle, was that some of the draw? The conj stellium drawing you in and then the way he handled his emotions so deftly?"
Yes, I think so.


" Makes sense in a roundabout way."
Indeed it does. Never thought about it before.

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Would you consider your Mars in the 12th house? It would be conjunct the ASC, obviously, but would it have the 12th house interpretation?

How does Neptune conj the ASC manifest for you?

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Yes, I consider Mars to be in 12th house, but conjunct ASC. Actually I consider this to represent a big Mars-Neptune-theme in my chart, as:

Mars in 12th
Neptune in 1st
Mars conjunct Neptune
Neptune conjunct ASC


Neptune on ASC:
I am a psychic sponge.

Also very sensitive to things like noises, light, and other people`s energy. I cannot be around too many people for too long, as it is like I am being "drenched" in their emotional vibes. It`s exhausting.
Though if I am around positive people, I also experience it like my batteries are being recharged.

extremely active dreamlife, out-of-body-experiences, imaginative (sometimes in the realms of fantasy and daydreams, sometimes in the psychic realms - and it is not always easy to differentiate ).

Not very comfortable with having a body, if I can trust it. Something is "strange" about that, though I become more comfortable with age.

Usually tolerant and not easily angered, UNLESS someone attacks my (spiritual) beliefs or people/ animals/ things I feel need to be protected (I htink that lures out my Martian nature).

Extremely protective towards my brothers (Neptune rules 3rd house).

I think it is difficult to separate Neptune from mars in my chart though.
In a reading I once had they focused a lot onto that conjunction and said I was a "spiritual warrior"; not sure about the warrior-part though.


Oh and sometimes I can make dreams come true. It is nothing deliberate, but often I will have flashes of thoughts/ wishes, only halfconscious, and over time they manifest in reality.
But not if I focus on them, just when they flash through my mind almost unnoticed.

Also have been having dreams come true,w hich seemed random or highly unlikely.
One of the examples actually has to do with a celebrity:
in 2005 I was dreaming of him and in that dream he was telling me that I would see him (on stage) 4 years later.
I laughed the dream away, of course.
(especially since he was not doing theatre - except for at the beginning of his career; at that time he was only known for making films).
2009 I saw him on stage.
When I left the theatre after the performance, I suddenly had one thought in my head and that was: "2 years".
And I entertained the though that maybe I would be having the chance seeing him on stage again 2 years from then. Well, I was convinced of it that moment, and sceptical after the moment passed. lol

I saw him last month.

THAT is Neptune on ASC I guess.

It might have been a random thing, but I thought it was interesting/ funny /amazing nevertheless.


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"But when he came out, he surprisingly was heading directly towards me, and the girls had to step into his way to get his attention."
---Well, come on (!) look at that huge conj. Add in Neptune, to boot. Wow. Conjuncts are drawn to each other, it means shared experience, in the natal and in synastry, it is difficult to tear em apart and read for each separately because one cannot act without being influenced by the other. Wondering if you've experienced another in your life having their stellium conj yours? Of course natal aspects to stelliums count regarding how comfy someone would feel with the energy.

"*scratches head* That was actually, well, strange."
---Shuddup, it makes perfect sense

"I am usually "invisible", but not to him for some weird reason."
---Maybe your natal Neptune on ASC, but, ahhh, your schtuff is on his MC (!) In my experience people always recognize those who strongly impact that angle. You want them to be around cos they're saying 'the path you're on is the one you're meant to travel' the planet person energizes MC.

"It`s a weird thing. I sometimes was wondering if that maybe was my Sun being conjunct his Moon?"
---This is funny, there's a singer I share conjunct stelliums with and he stared at me for a long time during the only concert I went to of theirs. Makes me nervous to go to any of theirs again, I paid big money, $100 for my ticket and my girl friend's, (she drove and paid for gas), hello I want to enjoy myself (!). Lotsa Pluto here so am not keen on being stared at, at all. After a while it made me mad, he was even looking at me when he wasn't singing. My stellium, I have 2, but the one that's composed of all personal planets really tends to attract others whose stelliums, or at least conj's, are on mine, from middle school to high school to adult romance. And the planets don't have to be right on top of each other, it can be venus 2 sun 6 venus 9 jupiter 12 and it still all works in combination. Have you found the same? Cos yours is angle + planets which is v. strong, like his too since he has same. Mine are angular too except on IC & DSC so not as strong.

"Yes, he was talking a lot!
Trying to be extremely funny (he has got quite a goofy sense of humour);"
---Awww Sagittarius, right, the good humor? He's not my type but I've seen him interviewed and he has a lit-up face often, huh? Like being super-charged, v.energetic.

"And actually was sniffing at me, probably to figure out if I was wearing that fragrance and lying"
---Yeah he seems weird like that Sounds like a scene from a movie, my friend (!) Do you think he often plays himself or that he has a lot of range? I was watching 'The Shining' today and I saw Nicholson on youtube accepting an academy award (i never remember seeing him interviewed) and he looked the same there as he does in all his movies (cuckoo's nest, -possibly- being an exception) and in Batman and The Shining his name is 'Jack'...but he has a unique energy so maybe they just retain some actors for their 'oomph' if that's what you can call it. That's more what I meant with Law, not criticizing just wondering. That would be an interesting study anyway, acting range. Lately I've been looking at low iQ in the chart, I know there are diff kinds of intelligence, but when someone is v.low-functioning it would be interesting to see how it's reflected in the chart.

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"I can honestly say I have never had a person sniffing at me within 5 minutes of meeting before."
---Truly unique!

"wouldnīt let me, but asked me to wait a few moments, then called his parents to retrieve the information"
---That was v.sweet and thoughtful of him and his parents Some celebs are so dang rotten to their fans.

"Maybe I should delete"
---It's gonna be a bit in mine Bwahahhaha, lol.

I liked your personal descrip of Neptune, too. My daughter has it conj Asc by 1.5 deg so, with only Venus in Earth I know she's gonna be in for it. And that Venus is sq Neptune, I can see the broken romances already, lol, she is -so quick- to believe and see the best in everyone. Breaks my heart, but what can you do. An upside of that is I have seen v.negative energy people, older people, who when they saw her wanted to transfer their bs onto her (from an energy perspective) and when she laughed and joked around in turn their whole visage just transformed and their faces sweetened a bit, so that is something....but there are people out there who will swindle Neptune peeps left and right for selfish pleasure. Plus Pisces Moon in the 1st. The girl's more of a Pisces than me! I have only Venus and Moon in Earth but a ton of Saturn and, honestly, her Neptune energy scares the crap out of me. I hope she has mega intuition when older cos when she's out there alone I sort of fear for her. She has the chart of a cream puff, lol. We have conj Jups in Scorp so I've been teaching her along the way how to read people, her Pisces Moon also trines our Jupiters by 1 deg, her Moon is conj my Sun, my Mercury conj DSC (good people reading skills) is conj her Chiron, and so far, thankfully, she has been really receptive.
But Neptune/ASC is v.unique and v.special energy

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"---Well, come on (!) look at that huge conj."
Well, astrology aside, I am just not used to be looked at like I was a "normal woman".
I donīt go somewhere and simply get the attention. I am more the kind who gets noticed after a (long) while, usually because of my mind.
It was like he didn`t play along the "rules". I am not-visible and especially not before I even have said a word! And if a connection is made, then it is a mental one, and certainly not physical, not even in the slightest, most harmless way.
I guess his instinctive physicality just overwhelmed me. It is probably just in his nature, but it considerably confused me. lol


"Conjuncts are drawn to each other, it means shared experience, in the natal and in synastry, it is difficult to tear em apart"
Yes, I agree.
I think the houserulers might play a role, too.
So his Sun, Moon and Neptune are ruling his 6th, 5th and 1st house,
and my Sun and Mercury are ruling my
9th and 7th house.

"ur life having their stellium conj yours?"
Not on Sun and Mercury. But then I have another stellium as well.

The only other I can think of actually is a celebrity, with Neptune (6 Sag), ASC (9 Sag), Venus (13 Sag), pretty close to my Mars (5 Sag), ASC (7 Sag), Neptune (9 Sag) and NN (10 Sag).

*shrugs* What can I say? I am obviously paying attention to guys whose aspects "mirror" mine.
In a way it even makes sense, with my 7th house ruler Mercury being exact conjunct Sun in 1st house.
Through the encounters / notice of the outside world (7th house) I am getting to know myself better (Mercury conjunct Sun in 1st house).


"Of course natal aspects to stelliums count regarding how comfy someone would feel with the energy."
Well, in that case, not really so comfy. his Saturn is squaring this STellium exact from his 7th house.

Actually I find it interesting that his Saturn squares my DESC-ruler exact, and my Saturn falls into his 5th house and squares his 8th house ruler ( 4 degrees).
I guess that is where the "block" is.
And of course our first meeting chart has an exact Saturn-Sun-square from Virgo to Gemini. (his Saturn is in Virgo as well).
I almost said: luckily.

Another thing about the first meeting chart that I find to be a rather rare occurence is this:
Tr Jupiter was exactly conjunct my Sun/Moon-mp which conjuncts composite Moon.
Tr Juno was exactly conjunct his Sun/Moon-mp which conjuncts composite Sun.

Neat symmetry, don`t you agree?

"---Shuddup, it makes perfect sense "
Then explain to me what was going on, cause I surely do not get it.

"the planet person energizes MC."
Yes, that could be right. A friend of mine has her Mercury/Venus/Mars/Pluto-stellium conjunct my MC, and she has always been very supportive of me.
My Jupiter-Ceres-conjunction falls onto her MC, so I think that I am supporting her as well.


"unct stelliums with and he stared at me for a long time during the only concert I went to of theirs. Makes me nervous to go to any of theirs again"
yes, exactly.
When I am in "staring distance", he does exactly that. Sometimes I wonder if he intentionally tries to make me uncomfortable and see me squirm in my seat.
It`s just too long for me to feel comfortable.
Maybe he recognizes my face from somewhere, but just has no clue wherefrom.


"After a while it made me mad, he was even looking at me when he wasn't singing."
Yes, I know what you mean. Last month during that open air musical, I was concentrated on some other singer, while he was on stage without having anything to do, but suddenly started getting a feeling as if something in the energy around had shifted, a notion of intensity. And well when I turned my head, he was just standing on stage and looking at me.
But of course that can only happen when I am really "see-able" from stage, so since I am going to sit in ninth row end of this month on that concert, I think, I might be safe this time.
Hey, I am there to watch others, not to be looked at!


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posted September 04, 2011 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"2, but the one that's composed of all personal planets really tends to attract others whose stelliums"
Where is your Stellium? Do I have anything conjunct?
You surely got my attention.


"Cos yours is angle + planets which is v. strong,"
Like I said not too many people conjunct my stellium around ASC. Those who do usually contribute Mercury.
Most of the times people with their own stellium there, the pull is unbelievingly strong for me, so much that it almost scares me. Maybe I subconsciously avoid meeting these people.
I mean, come on, I could feel this pull even with a celebrity! And before that I have not really been that type.

The only one I can think of though, is my youngest brother, who has his Neptune on my Sun/Mercury and Moon/Jupiter/Uranus/MC on my Mars/ASC/Neptune/NN.
When he was being born, I was 9 years old, I was running around and telling everyone in the neighbourhood that he "finally has arrived". It was clear to me from day one, that he was my soulmate (not THE soulmate, but one of my closest soulmates) and I think he is to this day, and we have been lucky to have been born into the same family again.
In the very least we are mental soulmates; we seem to come to similiar conclusions using different pathways.
Actually my mum once mentioned that my brother is showing in his outward expression what I am inside, and that I seem to be on the outside, how he is inside.
She was indicating that he seemed to be so outgoing and selfconfident, but inside was so sensitive and even shy, while I, even though on the outside appearing as withdrawn and shy, inside of me I have more selfconfidence than he has.
And she "proved" that by an incident as a child, when we were to a fashion-week, and I was 3 years old, and suddenly during the interval I was gone and she was searching for me everywhere, but finally found me, because she was hearing my voice, from stage.
Apparently the moderator had asked the children who dared to come onto stage and sing or perform something. She didn`t hear it, but obviously I had.
By now Iīve lost that courage, certainly; but now it is my brother who is standing on a stage (he plays the guitar in a local Heavy Metal band).
In some weird way we we reflect each other in many ways and yet how we manifest our traits is so different.

But that really is my only experience with someone else`s stellium on mine. My friends usually sextile it rather, than conjunct it.

"Mine are angular too except on IC & DSC so not as strong."
I wouldn`t say that. They are just as strong, just maybe more directed inwards and towards relationships.

"He's not my type but I've seen him interviewed and he has a lit-up face often, huh? Like being super-charged, v.energetic."
Hmm, "my" Sagittarius? That is highly unlikely. He is not a filmactor, only a local stage actor and singer. I don`t think he q ualifies as celebrity, just as artist.

But maybe I confused you because I have seen him last month as well as Jude Law on stage?
I didn`t stay around to get an autograph of Jude though, even though he is giving autographs as I hear. But honestly, I am still trying to recover from the energy he radiated from stage (I was pretty close to stage as well, maybe 1-2 metres); I fear meeting him face to face, his energy would have simply "killed" me.
And I certainly did not expect that. Not at all. I am still under shock.


"Sounds like a scene from a movie, my friend (!)"
Yes, it felt like it as well.

" Do you think he often plays himself or that he has a lot of range?"
Well, the Sag often plays Jesus. It`s true.

I think though the role of "Mozart" in the musical suited him perfectly. he WAS Mozart.
But apart from that I have seen him more on concerts than in certain roles, and he seems to be very much himself then.

But generally speaking I think an actor has to find something he can connect to in a role, or he will not be convincing.
He cannot create something that is not within him, at least to a small part.
That doesn`t mean though that he IS the character he plays.
I find it interesting to see different performers perform the same role for that reason.


" That's more what I meant with Law"
You should have seen him on that stage last month! Or this month!
The raw primal energy, oh my God.
Yes, Iīve seen him on screen, on films, but really there is only an intellectualized pale copy of himself.
On stage though, well, I`ve read on a twitter account of a Lesbian viewer, that she started to question her sexuality after having seen him.
Maybe just a joke, but I thought a good one.

I honestly can say that I have never seen any performance in all my life that was more intense or passionate in any way.
Well, Mr Law has Tr Pluto on his Sun (which is conjunct my Venus, so go figure), maybe that kind of triggered his Sun-Pluto-square and Scorpio-Mars?
Also his Pluto natally is on MC (he IS my astrological mirror), and during the week I was there, Tr Pluto was squaring it, Tr Uranus opposing it and Tr Mars squaring it from the other side.

It was simply insane. And my poor Venus-Pluto/MC-square sitting there and being bombarded by it all, as well. lol
Oh and my pr ASC is on 7 Capricorn, too.

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" liked your personal descrip of Neptune, too. My daughter has it conj Asc by 1.5 deg so, with only Venus in Earth"
Venus is also my only planet in Earth (Capricorn). But I think it is a blessing actually, at least one personal planet giving a bit groundedness.

"- to believe and see the best in everyone. "
Trusting. Yes, makes sense.

"but what can you do."
I think the best thing you can do is teach her (as far this is possible) to differentiate, to learn to pay attention to the little signals that will say a lot about if someone deserves her trust or if she should tread carefully.
For me Neptune has also a lot to do learning to trust my own perception (even if they seem to be "far out"), instead of relying too much on others for that.
But maybe that is because Neptune rules my 3rd house.

"Plus Pisces Moon in the 1st. The girl's more of a Pisces than me!"
Very sensitive and impressionable.
On the flip side I think that Neptunians have a great intuition, if they only learn to trust in it!

"I've been teaching her along the way how to read people"
I think that is the right way.
How old is she btw?

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" liked your personal descrip of Neptune, too. My daughter has it conj Asc by 1.5 deg so, with only Venus in Earth"
Venus is also my only planet in Earth (Capricorn). But I think it is a blessing actually, at least one personal planet giving a bit groundedness.

"- to believe and see the best in everyone. "
Trusting. Yes, makes sense.

"but what can you do."
I think the best thing you can do is teach her (as far this is possible) to differentiate, to learn to pay attention to the little signals that will say a lot about if someone deserves her trust or if she should tread carefully.
For me Neptune has also a lot to do learning to trust my own perception (even if they seem to be "far out"), instead of relying too much on others for that.
But maybe that is because Neptune rules my 3rd house.

"Plus Pisces Moon in the 1st. The girl's more of a Pisces than me!"
Very sensitive and impressionable.
On the flip side I think that Neptunians have a great intuition, if they only learn to trust in it!

"I've been teaching her along the way how to read people"
I think that is the right way.
How old is she btw?

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Hi C,

"Then explain to me what was going on"
---the stellium match, angle involvement, chart correspondences

"My Jupiter-Ceres-conjunction falls onto her MC, so I think that I am supporting her as well."
---Yes, Jupiter is the veritable cheerleader

"intentionally tries to make me uncomfortable"
---no, i don't think so. it's the recognition of yourself in another. i know it feels that way but i don't think that's what it is. esp with the moon involved there's longing on some level, the child in them sort of reaching out, you look in someone's eyes and that's what you see, when the child is born they gaze into mother's eyes to feel that bond no other way to communicate. mars/venus involved then maybe we're talking about something else (!)

"I think, I might be safe this time."
---Well yea but you also want a good seat (!) I get what you mean.

"Do I have anything conjunct?"
---Late libra, late cap for me. I think the strongest natal conjs we have are,
-my Uranus (dsc/h8 ruler) @ 4 Sadge, Vertex @ 7 Sadge, so those are on your ASC/Mars/Neptune
-my Neptune (h9 ruler) @ 26 Sadge, Juno @ 29 Sadge, and those are on your Sun/Merc
-and your Saturn kinda-sorta on my NN @ 21 Cancer

"Moon/Jupiter/Uranus/MC on my Mars/ASC/Neptune/NN."
--Wow (!) Angles plus node plus personal planet, v.strong!
"we have been lucky to have been born into the same family again."
---I love this

"I am still under shock"
--Cold shower

"I think an actor has to find something he can connect to in a role, or he will not be convincing."
---I agree.

"maybe that kind of triggered his Sun-Pluto-square and Scorpio-Mars?"
---Makes sense.

"to learn to pay attention to the little signals that will say a lot about if someone deserves her trust or if she should tread carefully"
---Good advice

"How old is she btw?"
---Only 5 but v.quick, she has Gem sun and Aqua asc w/uranus in h1, merc trine uranus. Maybe her ability to detach will help her out.

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posted September 04, 2011 03:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello L,

"mars/venus involved then maybe we're talking about something else (!)"
Compared to the Sun/Moon/angle aspects the Venus/Mars-ones seem to be meagre.

-my Venus trines his Mars/Jupiter widely (5 and 4 degrees)
-my Mars/ASC squares his Mars/Jupiter widely (5 and 3 degrees)
-my Neptune/NN square his Mars/Jupiter exact
-my Uranus squares his Venus widely (5 degrees) (though his Venus is on the exact antiscion of my Mars)


What aspects or placements do you look for in asessing romantic / sexual attraction?

"-my Uranus (dsc/h8 ruler) @ 4 Sadge, Vertex @ 7 Sadge, so those are on your ASC/Mars/Neptune"
It is interesting that our synastry repeats my SA Uranus conjunct my Neptune, don`t you think?


"-and your Saturn kinda-sorta on my NN @ 21 Cancer"
Your nodal axis falls exactly on my "destiny-axis". lol

Vertex on 21 Cancer
(Eros and Pan on 21 Cancer
Destinn on 23 Cancer)

Sun/Moon-mp on 21 Capricorn


"--Cold shower "
I tried it. Doesn`t help. Being in the shower only reminds me of his wet naked upper body.

"she has Gem sun and Aqua asc w/uranus in h1, merc trine uranus. Maybe her ability to detach will help her out."
Yes, also she probably is going to have very astute analytical skills and a very very VERY Strong will.
That might help, too.

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posted September 04, 2011 06:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiya
"What aspects or placements do you look for in asessing romantic / sexual attraction?"
---OK, no short response here haha. What I write is gonna count for friendship and something stronger, I don't see much difference between the two, only that the person you have it with may not be born into the gender you desire, but there's still a bond that could turn romantic if given half a chance, even for friends there -is- attraction at work, so that is my focus in synastry. You can't read gender or sexual orientation in a chart so that's why I don't make a distinction between friendship and something stronger, but I can see why two people would be strongly drawn to each other. Even then, if each is inclined to be attracted to the other since they're of the right gender the other likes, there's still no accounting in natals for personal preferences. Some guy may like women and think you're ok but because you have red hair he just won't wanna get in the sack with you. People are too weird and fickle imo to ever be figured out completely but like I said there are factors that when added up point to attraction.

First at the major natal aspects to each Sun and Moon, then to major natal aspects to each Venus and Mars. For ex a man has Sun in Aquarius and the woman has Sun conjunct Uranus, that's a place where their charts meet since it points to similarity, a Uranian ideal they each hold, so they see each other and they say, 'hey, you look familiar' and they're gonna vibe on being (let's be honest) crazy lil b*stards and they're gonna feel quite buzzed around the other, electricity in the air and could feel very invigorated, over time it may turn to negative projection but in the beginning it's 'we are cut from the same cloth'. It's more steamy when you combine Venus and Mars, Venus square Pluto and the other with Mars conjunct Pluto, I see these correspondences as pseudo conjunctions. And they tell a story that the synastry aspects might not, those two may not have any placements in scorpio or have any venus/mars/pluto synastry aspects but the natal aspects tells a diff story. You can look at house placements this way as well. Both with Moon in the 9th, there's a match, a place where they both make sense to each other, maybe not to me cos I have Moon in the 6th, but for them they can communicate on that level. One with the Sun in the 9th the other with Moon in the 9th, another strong match, what one naturally orients to in order to shine is where the other finds themselves gravitating to in order to find comfort, security, and peace of mind. House correlations like these cannot be underestimated, esp dw of sun/moon in houses, a huge draw and will give them a lot to talk about which is great for continuing the bond. But too much similarity on any level can lead to boredom so it has to be balanced somewhere.
With actual synastry, angular conjunctions, which goes to show another is on your radar, esp nodal conjunctions to angles, the crown of these being nn/asc. If your progressed sun/moon/asc/dsc/venus/mars (maybe mc/ic too i just haven't looked at those in the past) is conj something similar in another's natal then that means that you're supposed to be learning something you need to know 'right this minute' from the person with the natal planet/angle and so there's a reason to be partnered up with the other, whether it's via friendship or romance, and the learning can be positive or negative, they could be teaching you the right thing in a way that you'd rather they not act, but lesson is learned for what you are progressing into, for the person you are becoming. Also the typical personal planet conjunctions, trines, opps, esp to luminaries. Also if someone fills in another's trine to make it a grand trine, another's t-square to make it a grand cross, brings their big multiple planet square to another's sq to make it a grand cross. I could go on, there's a lot.

"It is interesting that our synastry repeats my SA Uranus conjunct my Neptune, don`t you think?"
---Good memory you have! I completely forgot about that

"Your nodal axis falls exactly on my "destiny-axis". lol"
---OK so dw axis connections, checkmark Big draw.

"only reminds me of his wet naked upper body"
---Mommy please stop (!) lol

"very very VERY Strong will"
---Yes, yes, blue hearts of sympathy all over the place. I blame my Uranus h5 sq Sun. There's some similiarity there. Except I don't try to flaunt lol.

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posted September 05, 2011 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
L,

I have to reply in more detail later, but just wanted to ask:
what orbs do you use in synastry?

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posted September 05, 2011 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I tend to keep it to 5, but wider if considering conj or opp to sun or moon, sometimes squares and trines.
If it's a stream of conjunctions then I'll do the same as in the natal,
his Venus 1, her Mercury 5, her Sun 9, his Mars 12
^ I just see that as one big conjunction natal or in synastry and treat is as such.

I've seen someone have a stellium or strong conj in, say, early taurus when it involves a personal planet, and the other having a strong conj or stellium in late scorpio or a luminary there, and the dynamic of the opposition is strong and attracts them, even though there is technically no opposition by degree, but the strong energies in opposing signs are drawn to each other. I've seen this also, the pile ups in someones 1st or 7th or on their MC, or in their 4th, and it's the same magnetic energy.

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posted September 05, 2011 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I tend to keep it to 5, but wider if considering conj or opp to sun or moon, sometimes squares and trines."
5 degree also for sextiles?
I definitely agree for the other aspects, I am just always uncertain when it comes to the sextile.

"If it's a stream of conjunctions then I'll do the same as in the natal,
his Venus 1, her Mercury 5, her Sun 9, his Mars 12
^ I just see that as one big conjunction "
So, you would see this as a conjunction, too?

her Mars 5 Sagittarius
his Neptune 6 Sagittarius
her ASC 7 Sagittarius
his ASC 9 Sagittarius
her Neptune 10 Sagittarius
her NN 10 SAgittarius
his Venus 13 Sagittarius

And would it mean that her Mars is conjunct his Venus?


" the strong energies in opposing signs are drawn to each other. I've seen this also, the pile ups in someones 1st or 7th or on their MC, or in their 4th, and it's the same magnetic energy."
I donīt see them as actual synastric aspects. But I guess I see them as what you called "pseudo aspects".

People, especially with stellia, in a certain house or sign will display the characteristics significantly, and so will be naturally drawn to a person with the opposite natal placements; so it is like an attraction based on the character. Maybe it is like an underlying theme / attraction / complimentarity.

I think maybe we can be even drawn to people with the same or complimentary natal configurations / signplacements/ houses/ aspects even when they are not in actual synastric aspects.
I am not exactly sure how strong these will be though.

But these underlying patterns are ALWAYS there when people fall in love and especially in long lasting relationships.

For example my parents (though they have also strong synastry; his Moon opposite her Sun for example):

How could an Aqua ever get along with a Scorpio-woman?
Maybe because her Sun is in 5th house (the opposite of Aqua?).
Or maybe because his Moon is in 8th house and her Sun is in Scorpio?
Or because his Sun is in 6th house and her moon in Virgo?

Well, not only because of that, but I think it helped them to still be in tune with each other after 37 years of marriage.


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