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RunAroundScreaming
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posted November 07, 2011 12:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please don't quote my posts as I want to erase this later...

So, I don't know if you all remember that Libra guy I would talk about, but I think he is seriously starting to like me back now. The problem is that he's black, and my entire family would disown me if I even so much as dated him, little less married him. His family members don't seem to have the best values, and though he is educated and has a good job, I don't think his friends are great. I also find him strongly unattractive at times, and I wouldn't want kids who look like him if they're gonna be so unattractive. So, basically, the idea of dating him would probably end in disaster and broken hearts, and if I did date him and stayed with him, I would feel unhappy.

So, the question is, should I cut off all contact with him, or should I stay friends with him, reject his advances if and when they do arise (which eventually they probably will) and pretend not to like him back? I'll miss him so much and we've gotten really close very quickly, and I really really wish we could be friends. He would be a very good best friend. What do you guys think? Please help?? Any similar experiences?

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posted November 07, 2011 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think:

1. You've already made up your mind.
2. You should be thinking about what you want, not your family or friends.
3. This isn't really anything to do with astrology, apart from saying 'that LIBRA guy.'

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posted November 07, 2011 12:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, actually it seems that writing about it actually helped me clarify things in my head. I think that no matter how much I feel that I may be able to control my feelings, once I'm with him and I see that he likes me back I'll feel increasingly bad about the situation, and also if he flirts with me it'll be really hard to control my feelings at that point. I've never been good at lying or acting, also. lol. Our synastry indicates that this cannot by any means be a "casual" relationship with our mutual venus-pluto aspects and so it's all or nothing. It's sad, but i'll have to break it off with him :/ :/ waahh...

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posted November 07, 2011 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coffee, that's a little rude...

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posted November 07, 2011 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think it was. What bit?

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posted November 07, 2011 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If all else fails, do what makes YOU happy.

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posted November 07, 2011 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Coffee: The part where you said it had nothing to do with astrology, and the general dry format of your answer didn't help either. But that's okay.

RedScorp: Thank you . Well, what would make me happy would of course be to spend some time with him and then break up. But I fear that may make me happy short-term, but long-term it would only hurt me more and make it harder to forget him, so. I guess my decision is made after all. =/

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posted November 07, 2011 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry if it came across that way, but I'm an astrologer on an astrology site. I'm not an agony uncle. More to a person than just a Libra Sun. Maybe a look at YOUR chart would have helped - to see what's happening for YOU.

Yes, things seem better when you let it out.

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posted November 07, 2011 01:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Have you talked to him about it...? I mean, he is the other half of this dilemma, right?

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posted November 07, 2011 02:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's back up. How do you feel about each other? This shouldn't be about ethnicity.

I'm in an interracial, multi-national marriage myself, and it has been successful for almost two decades.

All four parents disowned us, and we disowned them as well. In the end, guess who were the suckers without access to their grandkids?

Stop being so trivial!

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posted November 07, 2011 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It sounds like your'e trying to talk yourself out of being with him???

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posted November 07, 2011 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Libreo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Out of WANTING to be with him I meant.

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posted November 07, 2011 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Coffee:
I think:

3. This isn't really anything to do with astrology, apart from saying 'that LIBRA guy.'


it does.. she's had a post already where if people were involved in it, know that they have pluto and moon(?) aspects and lots of other things.. it's just a little hard to follow up on posts in the same one without it turning into a 30 page post as is.

the race thing might be a touchy subject for some people as it has proven to be in some guy's thread about 'jungle fever' but i really hope that it doesn't because the truth is that she may be being honest and some people do deal with circumstances like that and if they can't share it anywhere, they'd only have their close ones to discuss it with and i think most everyone can assume as to how those conversations would turn out.

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posted November 07, 2011 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tuxedoMask     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and op, because i know where you're coming from and some of your background/cultural upbringing, i can kinda understand..

i don't know if there is a lot that you can change because some of your family's views have rubbed off on you and i think everyone has that with their family it's just that some have it to an extent.. your sun in Cancer would of course already point to it being a big thing for you and for you to feel a connection to your roots and your past..

the thing with the relationship between both of you guys is that it's just very light and nothing serious.. people who have eloped to be with the person they care about without the consent of their family, have been going the road for a long time so it's not like you're going to go off and run to marry the man, so you're ok..

cultural differences can make things a little complicated.. i'm not saying race, i mean culture.. as far as that goes, i think it would be worth noting what you guys have in common and whether you value the same things.

attraction wise, if it's physical that you find yourself attracted/not attracted to from time to time, that has to do with being prejudiced at some level and u can benefit from trying to understand where it comes from.. if whether it's from prior experiences or just what's been pushed onto you by your relatives.

i think it's a good thing that you can openly talk about it and be honest about it.

you can make personal progress but even if it isn't and will never be about their race, the fact that you feel uneasy about your attraction towards them already says lots..

it's very interesting to see how that pluto aspect between the both of you plays out.

crossing my fingers here hoping the thread doesn't get closed or turned into an argument because it can be helpful to probably someone else..

everyone experiences it.. i've met people from india that are expected to marry someone else from there with religion playing a big role.. israeli's the same.. family plays a big role and so does religion.

i don't know if it's human nature, but it is culture and i accept it for what it is because if we don't, no one will ever make a difference. :/

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posted November 07, 2011 02:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tuxedoMask:
the race thing might be a touchy subject for some people as it has proven to be in some guy's thread about 'jungle fever'...

OMG LMAO I REMEMBER THAT.

But either way, I still think maybe you should talk to him about this. He can at least appreciate the honesty.

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posted November 07, 2011 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i don't know how coffees responses was rude. what was rude about it?

also, who cares? 21st century. you should do what makes you happy. people can't help what race they are, why let ignorance impose on your happiness? if you found happiness and love with someone race doesn't matter. do what makes you happy. I still can't understand how race is even an issue still.....

anyone that let's race stand in their way doesn't deserves to be loved. at all. and they shouldn't be surprised if they are alone all their lives

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posted November 07, 2011 04:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RedScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I thought it was RunAroundScreaming's FAMILY that had the problem with his race, D:

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posted November 07, 2011 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you tuxedoMask

Yes, I have talked to close friends about this, but most of them are black and the one that isn't is pretty racist and holds all the same opinions as my family. My other close friend isn't black but filipino and her family is poor and ghetto and she feels offended that I don't want to date this guy because of all these things (yes including that his family is poor and ghetto and I would have to have them around my kids being a bad example, and maybe even asking us for money).

Honestly, the thing about finding him unattractive is totally a pluto thing because I have found other black guys very attractive, but when I forst saw him i thought "dayum he fugly." lol Not kidding. I did find him really sexually attractive before but now that i've gotten to know him that's died down and i think he's unattractive but still strangely alluring. The sexual attraction has mostly been replaced by an intense feeling of love where I literally cant stop thinking about him at all during the day and I feel like kissing him all over his face and being really lovey dovey with him.

If my family were the only problem, then i would defy them with no second thoughts. But it's just that i find him unattractive, and i do see where my family is coming from because his entire family is ghetto, and i wouldnt want to deal with them all my life. Also, our culture, the way we dance, and the kind of music we listen to is very different. The idea of being with him is completely out of the question and that is because I WANT it to be that way, not because of my family influence.

obviously I am not racist if most of my friends are black and i want to stay best friends with this guy, but i am not married to my friends.

My question was about whether in your experience it has been possible to stay good friends with someone you had feelings for and who felt them back without you being anything MORE than friends.

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posted November 07, 2011 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
whoever let's some uncontrollable force like race, height, etc let that stand in the way of their happiness and self progression doesn't deserve to be loved and it's often these people that wonder "why aren't people flocking to me?" it's because with that toxic mentality, you are irrationally sifting some very great potentials all because they aren't the right race? right height? these are uncontrollable forces! you can't help why race/ethnicity you are born into.

it makes me a little irritated and I really do pity anyone that let's something like that be a determining factor of who they date/see.

the ops family might have a problem.. but who gives a flying f*** excuse my language. but i will never EVER let someone else tell me who I can and cannot see/date/spend my time with. if the op wants to please and satisfy her family at her own expense of happiness and potential self-fulfillment, go right ahead. but we are in the 21st century. way way long ago race wasn't even something to consider.... people married and dated whoever because we are people at the end of the day. we all have the same needs same wants... we are all biologically programmed the same (well most of us idk, psychopathy is another breed lol) but you get my point

im black and german, my boyfriend is white, my mother is racist, do you think that has ever stopped me from dating who I want? truth be told I enjoy ******* her off because I date/am attracted to all races... I've dated white guys, Asian, and brown, she fumes but I don't really care it's not her life it's mine. so op grow a pair and if this guy treats you right and you like him what's stopping you? your family? blood might be thicker than water but i don't consider these people "blood" if they refuse to acknowledge a simple concept called love lol!

it's your life! who cares what your fam thinks? Really who cares!!

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posted November 07, 2011 04:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
from experience op
it doesn't work. it's usually me wanting to stay friends and the guy can never do it. he will use the friendship as a way to still keep tabs on me and have this wishful thinking that maybe somehow someday we will be more and it doesn't work because its very selfish and self-interested to remain friends with someone you willingly know wants to be more. that's the definition of stringing along. you are using that person and it's not nice at all.

so no, i can't be friends with a guy if he has sexual/romantic feelings for me. it will not work no matter how hard I delude myself. unless he suddenly loses his feelings for you.

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posted November 07, 2011 04:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hope somebody will answer my question and just ignore the reasons why I've decided not to date him. I know what's good for me, and it wouldnt be dating this guy. But can someone please offer advice about whether it would be possible to stay friends? <3 Please and thank you.

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posted November 07, 2011 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I could tell him straight up what's going on, and I'm sure he'd understand. Stringing him along wouldnt be a problem. I guess the biggest problem would be confusion, hysteria, anger, oh and what would happen if and when he or I go into a relationship with someone else. He's already shown jealousy and anger towards me when I flirted with another guy.

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posted November 07, 2011 04:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're right about the part about guys always wishing for it to be more and they can never do it. That's happened to me in the past with guy friends. I guess you're right then. And my decision is made ...

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posted November 07, 2011 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lindisfarne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you don't have to rid him entirely just keep distance.
it would make it a lot better if you perhaps carefully explained to him why you don't want to contact or be friends with him... if you want of course.

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posted November 07, 2011 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for stillatlarge     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know who you think you're kidding with the "friend" thing. You're trying to keep one foot in the door and one on a banana peel. Anyway, he's a Libra. He wants to be with you til something better comes along anyway so who cares...

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