posted November 19, 2011 07:12 PM            

So I'm just thinking "huh???"... I mean when I go out, I also dress up - depending on where I'm going. Everyone does this! You might see the same girl walking down the street in a tracksuit, walking her dog. Things change.. people don't always look exactly the same or dress exactly the same.

Basically I don't understand how some people seem to make assumptions on first impressions (with no other info/data) and they genuinely think they got it right.

I also think such people are very easily fooled... I could pick up a homeless person, dress him up in an Armani suit... and anyone who sees him would think "Oh I bet he's worn Armani suits every day of his life" O_O

Like "Really? - How would you know what he has done every day of his life?"

OR the opposite happens... They might see a homeless person and think "Oh I bet he's never had a job in his life"...

And he could've been CEO of a major company 2 months ago.. I mean how would you know what happens in someone's life or who they are based on simply seeing them once?

Something similar happened to me in a different context. I went to a friend's party and this person, call him X got the impression that I was shy/quiet - because I wasn't in the best mood that night. He liked this about me.. He was attracted to me *for* this reason.

A couple of weeks later, X saw me in a different social situation and I was very talkative and sociable.. He said I'm 'two-faced'.
I was thinking - "Well actually - you don't know me that well!!! It's not that I'm two faced.. It's that you made assumptions based on a *one* off event".. Things *change*.. I'm not always the same - I don't always dress the same, act the same and so on. I'm not a robot!

What I'm asking in this thread - is - What could someone have in their natal chart to make them jump to conclusions and assume things about someone's personality - based on a one-off impression.... and further, assume that people never change?

posted November 19, 2011 07:19 PM            

"Appearances can be deceptive"...

It might've been better to call this thread:

People who do not understand that appearances can be deceptive.... who trust appearances and who believe that these appearances remain the same throughout time (from the past through to the present and the future.. and they never change).

Although it would've been a tad long! ^^

posted November 19, 2011 07:21 PM            

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One word: Aries. I have an Aries moon and I have to be careful to get to know the person and not their chart.

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Do you mean that you would jump to a conclusion when you saw them -- or jump to conclusions based on their chart?

posted November 19, 2011 07:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
curbro -

Do you mean that you would jump to a conclusion when you saw them -- or jump to conclusions based on their chart?

I have an Aries Sun - but it's squared by Cappy Moon.

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I've been working on it over the past few years. Sometimes, yes, I will jump to a conclusion. It's nothing I'm proud of, although it has helped out in some situations. Fire intuition is a trait just like practical earth signs. But too much of anything is bad. I have mars square my sun, Sagittarius mars, and my Asc is Cancer with moon in Aries. I'm about half water and half fire. The fire helps but sometimes I react too quickly. I constantly make snap decisions, (especially at work) which is usually necessary and often feel bad or guilty about them later. I'm like two people. I've just had to learn how to make peace with it and use it as a strength. On the whole, though, I do think that Aries would be the sign to worry about. Possibly any fire sign. You want to look for a nice air balance to iron that out. Except for Chiron in Gemini and a few dwad placements, I have no air.

posted November 19, 2011 07:48 PM            

He had Sun in Taurus
Saturn in Taurus, conjunct DSC/opposed ASC
ASC Scorpio
SN Leo
Moon in Cancer
Mercury, Venus, Eris, and Chiron in Aries - > Mars in Capricorn -> back to Saturn in Taurus.

I think it's possible for several sign/planet combos to result in this kind of thing.

Fixed signs (when afflicted) are certainly capable of viewing life that way.

Taurus can do anything to remain in their comfort zone, even build an unrealistic view of their environment.

Leo can expect the world to follow their social rules and may face denial when situations manifest outside the acceptable protocol.

Scorpio can fall into viewing the world as extremes of Black or White (you are either rich or poor, good or bad, sad or happy). This allows them to have some control over the frightening feeling of whatever their Pluto obsesses about.

Aquarius can find comfort in imagining the world instead of seeing it as it is. If the Aquarian is militant, they may even refuse to associate with people who don't fit into their Idealized version of reality.

Saturn can cause us to act out of fear habits.

Uranus can cause people to react to others in a "repulsive" way, as if they are physically unable to exist in the same space.

Mars can insist on whatever it's cause is.

Pluto can obsess or fixate about seeing things in a specific way or playing out old patterns into stagnancy.

Chiron can act out of being wounded and lack a compassionate perspective.

Ceres can insist on dealing with others based on how the native believes they should be dealt with, instead of actually paying attention to the person's needs.

Eris can make a person feel like a loner, and do anything in their power to remain out of sync with the rest of nature.

Moon can instinctively view the world in a specific way, with the intention of creating an environment in which the native feels comfortable (including running people they fear associating with out of town).

Neptune can tell us stupid stories about life, and often times we believe them.

posted November 20, 2011 01:17 AM            

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Originally posted by curbro:
One word: Aries. I have an Aries moon and I have to be careful to get to know the person and not their chart.

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Ditto on that. I'm an Aries, but I'll admit this. I will say Scorpios are ahead of us in this ONE area (but that's it. I only hand out one compliment a year to each sign, and Scorpio just used theirs.) Either I have triple Aries in western astrology, or an Aries moon in Vedic. Your pick.

posted November 20, 2011 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
This made me think of the saying:

"Appearances can be deceptive"...

It might've been better to call this thread:

[b]People who do not understand that appearances can be deceptive.... who trust appearances and who believe that these appearances remain the same throughout time (from the past through to the present and the future.. and they never change).

Although it would've been a tad long! ^^

I wanted to add one more thing. These people are perpetually *surprised* by life... If they see a person today who looks like a Victoria Secret model... and tomorrow they see her disfigured because she had a horrible accident... the sorts of people I have in mind - would be in shock!
I personally wouldn't be in shock - because I expect that things can change at any time.. Nothing stays the same.
Are they weird.. or am I weird?
lol [/B]

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You're not weird at all.
I find your OP very wise and it's a complex issue that touches upon prejudice and lots of character flaws our society breeds nowadays.
In a chart, earth signs are usually the deep thinkers, more perceptive and well-rounded. I would expect the "younger" signs (Aries, Gem, etc.) to be more prone to jumping to conclusions based on appearances but for me it's also a cognitive trait: i.e. a way of thinking. People generalize, they see you one time and they generalize the impression of that one time to judge your whole life as you said. Generalizations are useful cognitive tools but they don't allow for deeper insight. You know, breadth vs. depth.
And I would think the earth signs are more mature in terms of how they think because they just tend to be more perceptive.
Somehow getting sstrology to this doesn't appeal to me lol. It sounds like one more generalization...

posted November 20, 2011 05:52 PM            

i have an aspect for u,and this gal is 4x worse that ur friend,comments-wise,and it is Moon0Mars in Aries.

posted November 20, 2011 05:59 PM            

My thread wasn't so much about intuitive or psychic people who are sensitive to the emotional vibes of others.
I'm thinking of those who are very focused on the outer appearances.. and who miss the psychological/emotional layers within. Maybe the 'opposite' of an intuitive person.

Thank you Xiiro - That was a very insightful reply as always

Anon -

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getting astrology to this doesn't appeal to me lol. It sounds like one more generalization..

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posted November 20, 2011 06:01 PM            

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love ur 2nd option for topic name

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Thanks!!

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this gal is 4x worse that ur friend,comments-wise,and it is Moon0Mars in Aries.

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posted November 20, 2011 06:10 PM            

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posted November 20, 2011 06:21 PM            

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Everybody feels enviosness, jealousy, anger, love, joy, sadness, pain

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We are all the same deep down but we are also complex.. and we experience these feelings at different times, sometimes in different ways and in different circumstances.
When my friend pigeon holed that girl as "high maintenance - stuck up etc"... That seemed like such a surface/meaningless understanding of another person.

If he was very intuitive/psychic and he had told me something about her emotional state.. such as "That girl is very upset right now because she was fired earlier today"... it would've peaked my interest.

If he was not psychic, but simply a good judge of character like your Capricorn friend.. and he had told me: "That girl is a very intense person and very honest/straight forward.. You can see it in her eyes and her determined walk"... Again - it would've peaked my interest.

posted November 20, 2011 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by psytaurus:
I agree to a certain degree that it's bad to make assumptions, but I think some people have a good instinct and in my experience their first impressions seem to be pretty accurate. My mother has this skill as well. An example: I showed her some pictures of my colleagues and in a couple of minutes she managed to pin down some emotional traits that took me weeks (best case scenario)/months to figure them out. In my opinion, I'm not talking about bigotry, just genuine knowledge of the human behavior. Certain mannerisms can lead to a fairly astute observation.
I'm a little envious of the people that are able to do this because when I meet someone I don't have any opinion whatsoever. I have to spend some time with them in order to manage to get a glimpse of their personality.
For whatever it's worth though, she is an Aries Sun/Mercury.

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posted November 20, 2011 06:35 PM            

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The talent to figure out what lies underneath the surface.

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posted November 20, 2011 06:58 PM            

There are two parts to my question.. One is about the initial assumptions people make... when these assumptions are based on very surface things. The second is the way people sometimes 'extend' their assumptions into the past and future... as though others never change. By doing this, it's almost like they try to *limit* the other person's freedom and ability to do anything they please and be anything they want to be.

As I'm typing this I thought of another example. One of my closest friends, 'C' is usually more of a book-worm. She is not the fittest person but she is not unfit either. We were having lunch at my parent's house and my step dad was there. Somehow the conversation went to "rock climbing"... to which he said:

"Well it's not like 'C' is ever going to go rock climbing anyway!!!"

So again - I'm thinking: "ummm really? Are you God?"

I mean maybe she had no intention to ever go rock climbing.. But I'm sure that if she actually set her mind on this.. and she trained for it - she could do it.
imo Anyone can do anything - if they really want to,
And who is my step dad or someone else to tell a person what they will or will not do in the future?

I know he wasn't intending to be patronising, but I still thought it was inappropriate.