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Purrr
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posted November 26, 2011 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Purrr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, wow... I don't watch Dr. Phil because I'm reserving Daytime Television Obsession to when I'm a middle aged housewife , but I've been completely immersed in this for the past three hours:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U5R4KzHHNA

You can Google the whole series, but what really caught my attention is this manipulative, disrespectful, overdramatic little BRAT, who thinks its okay to hit his MOTHER because she needs to be "taught a lesson".

What would you expect in a chart of a child like this? I don't know where to even begin. I'm just getting over the fact that he hit her at all!

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posted November 26, 2011 03:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ In his chart? I would think Uranus, a demand to be treated as an equal.
And I only saw the vid on the link posted, nothing else so I know no back story, I don't watch that show, but I am on the side of the kid. He is allowed to voice his feelings, and he is right for sticking up for himself (!) Parents take WAY too much joy in thinking that their way is right and just, and a lot get off on how much power they hold over someone else (a child). They then take it personally when the child disagrees and does not see them as the ultimate authority figure that they'd love themselves to be viewed as since they're not getting their desire for power met elsewhere. A parent is not the most influential person in a child's life, but they don't realize that. Many factors come into play, extended family, teacher, PEERS, media, national events, neighborhood, a parent has only so much power. It's too easy for authority figures to be up their own a$$.
I guess this is my Sun sq Uranus in the 5th talking.
This is also why I get along so well with the young people I've worked with and with my daughter's friends. I don't feel the need to lord any 'ultimate authority' bs over them, I treat them w.respect and I get the same in return, I talk to them as if they matter, not as if they're supposed to be lil mindless servants running around (which is what the public school system would just --love--).

But hitting the principal, or slapping his mom, or anything with the phone, the physical violence, NOT OK. And it's NOT OK for them to hit him, either. The foul language could be cooled down just a bit as well.
That kid is going through something.
And losing her daughter, him losing his sister, so rough They're prob both depressed.
I'm guessing the mom does not have much PLUTO goin' on (!) Pluto people get to the root of the problem, --quick--, and would not allow abusive language or hitting to enter the picture. I don't understand how she can sit and listen to him, and just look at his actions, not thinking that there would be something else that he's feeling that the actions are covering up for. If a child is acting out, there is a reason. It is never just to throw a fit, nothing is solved without getting to the root of things. Not to blame her exactly, but it takes a ton of work to stay involved in a child's life, to have a close relationship when there are so many other influences that are in their life, it is a ball that you cannot drop; if you drop it, you have to work again to secure it, and then in the process you end up creating mistrust. I think she dropped the ball when her daughter died, but through no fault of her own, who can blame her, and this is where they are.

And how can she sit there and complain about getting slapped when it's obvious that she slaps him as well? It needs to stop.
And lol at the kid 'lightly slap her on the cheek' haha, kid you slapped her right across her face (!) don't sugarcoat.
Ay, they're both acting like children. Except he has an excuse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=cHPGoqDmlRQ
^ Found this, it shows where she admits that she makes him pay the price for her losing her daughter.
Messed up, human, but still messed up. I agree w.what Dr.Phil said here. Just like I suspected, she dropped the ball after her daughter died. And it is true that a lot of parents have 'favorites', and hers was her daughter

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Purrr
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posted November 26, 2011 03:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Purrr     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Lonake:
^ In his chart? I would think Uranus, a demand to be treated as an equal.
And I only saw the vid on the link posted, nothing else so I know no back story, I don't watch that show, but I am on the side of the kid. He is allowed to voice his feelings, and he is right for sticking up for himself (!) Parents take WAY too much joy in thinking that their way is right and just, and a lot get off on how much power they hold over someone else (a child). They then take it personally when the child disagrees and does not see them as the ultimate authority figure that they'd love themselves to be viewed as since they're not getting their desire for power met elsewhere. A parent is not the most influential person in a child's life, but they don't realize that. Many factors come into play, extended family, teacher, PEERS, media, national events, neighborhood, a parent has only so much power. It's too easy for authority figures to be up their own a$$.
I guess this is my Sun sq Uranus in the 5th talking.
This is also why I get along so well with the young people I've worked with and with my daughter's friends. I don't feel the need to lord any 'ultimate authority' bs over them, I treat them w.respect and I get the same in return, I talk to them as if they matter, not as if they're supposed to be lil mindless servants running around (which is what the public school system would just --love--).

But hitting the principal, or slapping his mom, or anything with the phone, the physical violence, NOT OK. And it's NOT OK for them to hit him, either. The foul language could be cooled down just a bit as well.
That kid is going through something.
And losing her daughter, him losing his sister, so rough They're prob both depressed.
I'm guessing the mom does not have much PLUTO goin' on (!) Pluto people get to the root of the problem, --quick--, and would not allow abusive language or hitting to enter the picture. I don't understand how she can sit and listen to him, and just look at his actions, not thinking that there would be something else that he's feeling that the actions are covering up for. If a child is acting out, there is a reason. It is never just to throw a fit, nothing is solved without getting to the root of things. Not to blame her exactly, but it takes a ton of work to stay involved in a child's life, to have a close relationship when there are so many other influences that are in their life, it is a ball that you cannot drop; if you drop it, you have to work again to secure it, and then in the process you end up creating mistrust. I think she dropped the ball when her daughter died, but through no fault of her own, who can blame her, and this is where they are.

And how can she sit there and complain about getting slapped when it's obvious that she slaps him as well? It needs to stop.
And lol at the kid 'lightly slap her on the cheek' haha, kid you slapped her right across her face (!) don't sugarcoat.
Ay, they're both acting like children. Except he has an excuse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=cHPGoqDmlRQ
^ Found this, it shows where she admits that she makes him pay the price for her losing her daughter.
Messed up, human, but still messed up. I agree w.what Dr.Phil said here. Just like I suspected, she dropped the ball after her daughter died. And it is true that a lot of parents have 'favorites', and hers was her daughter


I just finished the whole series. I TOTALLY agree about the boy standing up for himself, although any person who thinks hitting a woman is okay automatically is on my bad list. I don't take sides. I either like you or I don't. I really didn't like his mother, either. She has NO CONTROL of herself or that kid! She doesn't take enough control, IMHO. She needs to be MORE of an authority figure. She admitted that she doesn't really spend time actually parenting and that she just shuts off whenever there's an issue. The reason that kid over-exaggerates and overdramaticizes everything - and BOY does he do it A LOT and he LIES a lot, too - is because his mother lets him do it!

It's a classic power struggle between a child who thinks he's an adult and an adult who is acting like a child! Talk about PLUTO problems in their synastry! Must be SATURN issues as well!

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Lonake
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posted November 26, 2011 03:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ ::sigh:: I bet she had better synastry w.the daughter.
And I bet their nodes are all over each other's chart (mom and son). I'm glad Dr. Phil told the parents about the possibility of further violence from the children, because that happens now, children setting their parents on fire, etc. I don't remember hearing about it when I was in school, but some now really go OTT bat-you-know-what-crazy. There was a story in July, a boy suspected of killing his parents, then throwing a house party when their dead bodies were still in the room (hidden)

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posted November 26, 2011 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Lonake
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posted November 26, 2011 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
but assuming that these are decent and normal parents, kids should respect them

Unfortunately, re:this lady and her son, you assume incorrectly.
Also you didn't speak to the astrology of such behavior from the son.

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RegardesPlatero
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posted November 26, 2011 04:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted November 26, 2011 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:
Pluto or Uranus

OK you said that for synastry not his natal but I agree those 2 can be --explosive-- and don't want to be pinned down.
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(Edit: Nm I will make a new thread)

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