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Topic: What exactly does Aries "win"? Are they really warriors, and how so?
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lindisfarne Knowflake Posts: 1108 From: she doesn't know that i left my urge in the icebox Registered: Oct 2011
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posted December 02, 2011 03:13 PM
What have they won exactly? Is that the aim of life? To win? Used to frequent a forum dedicated to astrology, not sure if this poster was mocking his sign or being genuine, but everything always related to winning something and he was a self-proclaimed warrior? What does this mean? Can Aries please chime in with this because I noticed this strenuous self-proclaimation linked to Aries influence of being a warrior of some kind, being alpha or winning in general. What do you mean by all of this? What have you won? Is that was life is generated around? To win all the time? What happens if you lose? Note: I'm not bashing, in before the alpha Aries' walk into this thread, choosing to ignore important words, and misconstruing the entire purpose of my need to understand this character associated with Aries. I would like to understand what this warrior mentality is and this fixed state of warriorism (new word) Thanks, Aquarius. IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan Knowflake Posts: 1099 From: New England Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 02, 2011 04:15 PM
Being a "warrior" is just the archetype for Aries. They are considered formidable fighters because they are ruled by Mars relating to Greek and Roman mythology as the God of War. Being the first sign of the Zodiac they are very instinctual, acting before thinking and passionate and raw because they act on instinct not emotions or inhibitions. They represent the fire within, being the first sign of the zodiac and a fire sign. They dare to go where others simply won't. It's a mix of lack in forethought and pure will and drive. They are headstrong, impulsive, independent and pioneering. As far as wining goes, it's not necessarily about winning, it's more about being Number 1. They are the Ram, and they go in headfirst, and are pioneers with the ability to manifest their dreams. Here's a link to an interesting description about Arian individuals. http://www.astrostyle.com/Scopes/12_Signs/scopes_aries.htm (I'm an Aries Moon and Mars.) IP: Logged |
mintgirl123 Knowflake Posts: 2393 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 04:28 PM
Yeah I'm an Aries rising ( 1st decan with a sun conjunct mars as well), and it's all about being number one. I can be quite competitive (not particularly in an aggressive way) but I always have this notion that being second place is exactly the same as coming last. No one remembers who came second, so I won't want to settle for it lol. Aries conquer right? And they're determined. They see sth they want and they go after it. And I've really applied this to my daily life. From experiences, when I'd really wanted sth, I had ALWAYS managed to accomplish it. Aries strive towards their goals without too much trepidation. No ifs or buts, they just do it. I've found that some signs have a tendency to complain about what's going wrong with them, and 'how unfair life is.' I think alot of Arians think whining about it is a waste of time. They just use that energy to change whatever needs to be changed. They use alot of their energy quite productively.IP: Logged |
hannaramaa Knowflake Posts: 2608 From: Registered: Nov 2011
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posted December 02, 2011 05:16 PM
One - I second what mintgirl said about whining. I get complaining and venting if you had a bad day but as an Aries, I'll only allow you THAT DAY to whine about it. After that and I begin wondering why you're being so negative and dwelling on something that's already happened. That is the number one most frustrating thing about being friends with water signs is they don't 'get over it' quick enough. Secondly, "are they really warriors" well yeah of course we are. Aquarians are, Pisces can be warriors if they want to be, everyone following Aries HAS a little Arian piece in them. What do you mean in asking are we REALLY warriors? Third, I do find myself getting competitive over stupid little things. For instance, in a game of checkers. Especially if I already feel the person thinking they have the upper hand on me in general, I have to win. I like putting people in their place. An Aries might be blunt about their achievements but they don't lord it over others - I don't, anyway. Or another example of how an Aries (me) is a warrior - I've struggled with my weight my entire life, but never once have I given up trying. Not once! Every day I wake up and set a goal to do this and stay away from that, and think this way.... I'm very, very determined to "beat" my struggle even if it takes my whole life to do it. Many other people would simply fall further and further into depression but it's just not in me to let go like that. I wonder if winning means an Aries finally feels like an equal among his peers. I see a LOT of Aries who are not social butterfly types and actually loners. I don't know how much this has to do with preference or self-esteem though. IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy Knowflake Posts: 1145 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 02, 2011 06:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by lindisfarne: What have they won exactly? Is that the aim of life? To win? Used to frequent a forum dedicated to astrology, not sure if this poster was mocking his sign or being genuine, but everything always related to winning something and he was a self-proclaimed warrior? What does this mean? Can Aries please chime in with this because I noticed this strenuous self-proclaimation linked to Aries influence of being a warrior of some kind, being alpha or winning in general. What do you mean by all of this? What have you won? Is that was life is generated around? To win all the time? What happens if you lose? [b] Note: I'm not bashing, in before the alpha Aries' walk into this thread, choosing to ignore important words, and misconstruing the entire purpose of my need to understand this character associated with Aries. I would like to understand what this warrior mentality is and this fixed state of warriorism (new word) Thanks, Aquarius.[/B]
Honestly? They don't win s**t. They just throw tantrums and act out *so* much and to *such* an extent that the people around them usually just throw the dog a bone so it stops yapping already.
Which the Aries will then misinterpret as having 'beat' them or 'won'. IP: Logged |
Betty Boop Knowflake Posts: 3377 From: Betty Boop Land Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 02, 2011 06:16 PM
What have you won?- Writing Competitions - Scholarships - Travel grants - I won a fair bit of money the first time I walked into a casino - I won a short-film (comedy sketch) comp. and the money went to a breast-cancer charity I felt very strongly about - I won a moot comp. during my undergrad degree - Most recently I won a job! lol - I used to play netball in school and our team often won, if that counts. Is that what life is generated around? No! Life is generated around -action-. All cardinal signs have this desire to -act- and do something/achieve something in the areas they are passionate about. As our society is structured.. winners are always rewarded. If you don't win anything and you don't generally do well.. then you are never really in a position to make any changes.. because no one listens to what you have to say. This is true in any area of life/career... People listen to those who have done well in that particular area and really applied themselves. You can't be the leader of 'anything' unless you have credentials for that - and cardinals like to be at the 'head' of things.. rather than being subordinate. This is because they have several ideas and their own individual/independent style of getting things done. To win all the time? No. It is not winning for the sake of winning - unless the person is a little nutty.. and there are nutty ones in every sign lol There is always some kind of goal and importance... Whatever it is that they win is important to them - otherwise they wouldn't be competing in the first place. Actually fire signs (including aries) tend to ignore everything that doesn't interest them. I think this is a good interpretation from - cosmic imperative: quote: Rub a match lightly a few times on the ignition strip of a matchbook -- no ignition. Next, apply more pressure until the match ignites and suddenly burns brightly. Hold the burning match for a few seconds, then light a piece of paper with the burning match. Let the match go out after it is placed on a fire resistant surface (plate, ashtray, etc.). Light other matches and extinguish them by putting in water, blowing on, and smothering.At first, the match does not ignite when lightly struck, but with harder rubbing (more friction, thus higher ignition temperature) does start burning. Fire people need the proper amount of stimulation before they will show any interest in a situation, but once "ignited", fire people get intensely involved. Before ignition, fire seems completely disinterested. The only speeds on the fire gearshift are stop and ahead fast; the gear shift is made suddenly. Once the fire has started to burn, the flame only burns along the match (fuel), not out into the air or along the plate when the match is placed on the plate. Fire only moves toward what interests it personally (fuel) and ignores the rest (non-fuel: air, plate) as if it didn't exist.
http://www.cosmic-imperative.com/elements.htm What happens if you lose? Not much. If it is important to me - losing makes me more determined and ambitious than I was the first time around. It really pumps me up. So I get back up and try again and keep trying until I get what I want. It happens rarely that I would strongly want something, with all my heart and do everything in my power to get it - and end up not getting it. Actually, it has probably happened only once in my entire life. I'm 25. But if the goal is not so important to me & I lose, then I would forget about it. IP: Logged |
scrappydog Knowflake Posts: 1054 From: Texas Registered: May 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 07:03 PM
If you read up on the planet mars in greek and roman mythology you will know that mars was not as courageous as you think, warlike, but not necasarily courageous. Mars/aries can be a real bully and throw fits, they can be very immature. Thats not a warrior, its a bad tempered child throwing a fit, because they didnt get what they want When they want it. You want to see a real warrior? Find a highly evolved, but very tough scorpio/pluto type. Personally I believe that pluto makes mars its bit*h every night in the underworld.IP: Logged |
mintgirl123 Knowflake Posts: 2393 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 07:13 PM
^ no matter how evolved scorpios are, there's ALWAYS a tendency for some mind games and manipulation. Aries may be immature at times, but they don't stand for mind games, they're too straight up for that kind of thing. AND they're also not so secretive and broody either. IP: Logged |
scrappydog Knowflake Posts: 1054 From: Texas Registered: May 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 07:20 PM
No they definately aren't secretive and broody, I agree with you there. I find that quality about them refreshing, like I do with sags, but we were not talking about secretiveness or manipulation, we were talking about them being brave/winners/warriors, so that is what I was focusing on.IP: Logged |
scrappydog Knowflake Posts: 1054 From: Texas Registered: May 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 07:29 PM
Aries are go getters and tend to be open and honest which is great and they have a ton more great qualities, my best friend is an aris sun square mars(talk about a ball of dynamic energy). I just dont think they are quite the brave warrior types I see in some other evolved signs. The main thing I have noticed is that they can anger easily and start some **** , but if a more forceful scarier (plutonian)type calls their bluff, they back down quickly and shut up.IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan Knowflake Posts: 1099 From: New England Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 02, 2011 07:31 PM
Aries as the WARRIOR is just an ARCHETYPE! A representation or symbol, it's not meant to be taken literally. All the symbols of all the signs in the zodiac aren't literal their just symbolic representations. At their best people with dominant Aries in their charts can be courageous, fearless, driven, and pioneering. AT their WORST they can be immature, overly aggressive, pushy and insensitive. The archetype and symbol of Libra is the scales. Are ALL Libra's at ALL times in EXISTENCE fair, diplomatic and justified? NO! Of course not. The symbol of the scales is just is a representation of what a Libra could be at their very best. (Speaking as a Libra myself) IP: Logged |
maira Knowflake Posts: 1026 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 07:36 PM
You know, Libra is an Aries who went to manners school I always liken Aries with the story of Don Quixote, it's a beautiful story. If you really want to understand the Aries archetype, you should read it... IP: Logged |
Betty Boop Knowflake Posts: 3377 From: Betty Boop Land Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 02, 2011 07:39 PM
lol This thread (including my own post) is kind of funny to my cynical cappy side... First you have the camp of people who are threatened by aries.. or by aries-interpretations.. because they feel inadequate for whatever reason or envious because they want to be described as 'warriors' themselves. Then you have the people who are simply scared or confused because they have had issues with aries-influenced folk in the past. Then you have aries people who relate to the archetype and others who don't and others who don't seem to completely understand it. And last but not least - the aries-influenced people getting defensive - acting like "oh nooo... I can't ignore this skits.. I must reply to the insecure/envious/scared/confused/overly astro-centered folk and fight in the name of 'aries'!!" LOLLL It's too much IP: Logged |
scrappydog Knowflake Posts: 1054 From: Texas Registered: May 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 07:47 PM
Lol, as a libra sun I completely agree that us libras are very simular, we only attended charm school. WHY don't aries have more manners? WHY can't they say thank you for anything??? I have this close girlfrind for years, I love her, shes the aries sun sqaure mars I mentioned(I know the sqaure is making it more negatively intense). My other friends and my family all hate her, I'm tired of standing up for her. They say she is rude and demanding and selfish, they say she only thinks about herself and she NEVER says thank you for anything like a normal person, it doesnt matter what u do/give her. She refuses to say thank you for anything. I dont think its that big of a deal, but other people in my life hate her for it.IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4352 From: Surfing Kite. Seriously. Registered: Aug 2010
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posted December 02, 2011 07:48 PM
This is an amusing thread. Shall I stomp in with my almighty Aries Mars... IP: Logged |
Betty Boop Knowflake Posts: 3377 From: Betty Boop Land Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 02, 2011 07:51 PM
@ Venus... If you wish!scrappy - I would like to take a moment to Thank YOU in the name of all the aries people who did not!
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scrappydog Knowflake Posts: 1054 From: Texas Registered: May 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 07:56 PM
Hmmm some people feel a need to LIST all the accomplishments of their lives to prove themselves, ROFL!!!! And other people are insecure?? This isnt a warrior, its an immature braggart who obviosly has an inferiority complex. Oh yea, real winner. Lmfao.IP: Logged |
mintgirl123 Knowflake Posts: 2393 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 07:59 PM
quote: Originally posted by scrappydog: Lol, as a libra sun I completely agree that us libras are very simular, we only attended charm school. WHY don't aries have more manners? WHY can't they say thank you for anything??? I have this close girlfrind for years, I love her, shes the aries sun sqaure mars I mentioned(I know the sqaure is making it more negatively intense). My other friends and my family all hate her, I'm tired of standing up for her. They say she is rude and demanding and selfish, they say she only thinks about herself and she NEVER says thank you for anything like a normal person, it doesnt matter what u do/give her. She refuses to say thank you for anything. I dont think its that big of a deal, but other people in my life hate her for it.
I think it's her sun square mars that's the issue here. That's what's making her the way she is. IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan Knowflake Posts: 1099 From: New England Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 02, 2011 08:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: This is an amusing thread. Shall I stomp in with my almighty Aries Mars...
Please do. From a fellow Mars in Aries. As a Martian/Venusian (leaning heavy Venusian with Sun and Mercury in Libra and Venus in the 7th), I think it's only natural to want to defend astrological symbols against stereotypes and false generalizations in order to avoid misunderstandings. What I find amusing is that many people who don't even consider themselves Martian could be seen as even more Martian then those with planets in Aries based on planetary house placements and aspects. Very amusing indeed... IP: Logged |
maira Knowflake Posts: 1026 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 08:02 PM
Lol, yes, the "thank you" part could be worked on. Buut as an Aries (sun/ven/mars) in disguise (Libra ascendant), I feel like I'm always cheating with the please and thank you's. My friend, a Sag, noticed at some point and told me to simply stop using them. I would go: "If you want, could we please go to...", so he said to just drop it since we always end up doing what I want. We laughed it off in true Aries/Sag spirit IP: Logged |
mintgirl123 Knowflake Posts: 2393 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 08:03 PM
quote: Originally posted by Betty Boop: lol This thread (including my own post) is kind of funny to my cynical cappy side... First you have the camp of people who are threatened by aries.. or by aries-interpretations.. because they feel inadequate for whatever reason or envious because they want to be described as 'warriors' themselves. Then you have the people who are simply scared or confused because they have had issues with aries-influenced folk in the past. Then you have aries people who relate to the archetype and others who don't and others who don't seem to completely understand it. And last but not least - the aries-influenced people getting defensive - acting like "oh nooo... I can't ignore this skits.. I must reply to the insecure/envious/scared/confused/overly astro-centered folk and fight in the name of 'aries'!!" LOLLL It's too much
I wasn't getting defensive though, I'm quite plutonian myself (8th house pluto in scorp, sun sextile pluto by 1 degree etc) but I'm just telling it like it is. Scorpio placements do make people prone to mind games and control issues and Aries aren't *just* immature and difficult. Also ^^^ I don't really have anger issues, I'm a virgo sun and have 3 main planets in libra, I'm not really the impulsive type. The aries traits manifest more positively in my personality, and the negative traits are lessened by my virgo and libra placements.
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lindisfarne Knowflake Posts: 1108 From: she doesn't know that i left my urge in the icebox Registered: Oct 2011
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posted December 02, 2011 08:07 PM
Well you know, there's a reason why I asked this. Aries has this warrior complex I was curious what exactly do they win and why they are competitive. I thought it amusing seeing that stuff.IP: Logged |
maira Knowflake Posts: 1026 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 08:07 PM
quote: Originally posted by NativelyJoan: Please do. From a fellow Mars in Aries. As a Martian/Venusian (leaning heavy Venusian with Sun and Mercury in Libra and Venus in the 7th), I think it's only natural to want to defend astrological symbols against stereotypes and false generalizations in order to avoid misunderstandings. What I find amusing is that many people who don't even consider themselves Martian could be seen as even more Martian then those with planets in Aries based on planetary house placements and aspects. Very amusing indeed...
I got that vibe from lindisfarne too I think the whole generation with Pluto in Scorpio has an intensity that rubs many folks the wrong way. I was amused in the other thread about Aries too. Venus, please do! We're surrounded and you know we're not famous for our stamina. We have to win!
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mintgirl123 Knowflake Posts: 2393 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 08:11 PM
^ Where's your Pluto?IP: Logged |
maira Knowflake Posts: 1026 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted December 02, 2011 08:11 PM
quote: Originally posted by lindisfarne:
Well you know, there's a reason why I asked this. Aries has this warrior complex I was curious what exactly do they win and why they are competitive. I thought it amusing seeing that stuff.
If we're to assume that the Sun is in fact how we perceived the father in our childhood (moon being the mother), one could say that competitiveness is ingrained and conditioned by the male parental figure. The prize is not important, it's the feeling that counts. Don't you have a passion, something that makes you feel real good and as if you are on top of the world? We tend to feel that way; whether it's a basketball game or a Nobel prize is not the issue. IP: Logged |