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Topic: Why don't Cap and Taurus ever accept help from others
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lindisfarne Knowflake Posts: 1108 From: she doesn't know that i left my urge in the icebox Registered: Oct 2011
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posted December 03, 2011 02:04 PM
Why? When someone is willing to help them when they clearly need the help it's like they think that's below them, the "What? I don't need anyone's help I can do it all on my own thanks!" attitude creeps in but it's clear as day that they use all the help they can get.For example, Mars cap/Rising and sometimes even moon in cap they do not like to accept help others are willing to give them? My boyfriend is having financial issues and how he is dealing with his troubles at work is by hiding away from the world, he's showing signs of depression, and I've offered to give him money how ever much he needs and I don't expect him to owe me or anything and for some reason even though he clearly needs the money, refuses to accept it and is now even more depressed and continues to hide. I'm all for solidarity and recouping but this is just frightening. Pride? Notice the same thing with Taurus they dont want to accept help they want to do it on their own, get there on their own, they don't want help, even though they visibly need it. Is that an earth sign ego thing? What is shameful about allowing someone to help you with no strings attached? IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero Moderator Posts: 4367 From: Storybrooke, Mr. Gold's Shop Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 03, 2011 02:26 PM
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anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 03, 2011 02:39 PM
And plain ol' stubbornness! IP: Logged |
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posted December 03, 2011 02:41 PM
Personally, I don't want to owe anyone anything. When I accept someone's help, it means I owe them a favor.I'm a Cap, no Taurus unless you count Chiron in the 8th, which may have something to do with sharing resources. Edit: Earth signs are driven by material reality, not emotions. IP: Logged |
curiouswoman Knowflake Posts: 630 From: on earth Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 03, 2011 02:48 PM
we got too much prideIP: Logged |
Fondue Knight Knowflake Posts: 819 From: NY Registered: Nov 2011
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posted December 03, 2011 02:48 PM
quote: Originally posted by Capriquarius: Personally, I don't want to owe anyone anything. When I accept someone's help, it means I owe them a favor.I'm a Cap, no Taurus unless you count Chiron in the 8th, which may have something to do with sharing resources. Edit: Earth signs are driven by material reality, not emotions.
I'm the same way about not wanting to owe people anything. I've got Virgo Moon, Venus in Taurus and Saturn rules my 2nd house. IP: Logged |
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posted December 03, 2011 02:57 PM
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Fondue Knight Knowflake Posts: 819 From: NY Registered: Nov 2011
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posted December 03, 2011 03:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by Capriquarius:
[QUOTE]I'm the same way about not wanting to owe people anything. I've got Virgo Moon, Venus in Taurus and Saturn rules my 2nd house.
Does it also mess with Cancer's need for security?[/QUOTE]A little. In my case, I've got Uranus conjunct my Sag ASC and Moon square Uranus/ASC so I'm hell bent on being independent and not having to be tied to anyone... which, with my Cancerness wanting security, means I really want to be self-sufficient. IP: Logged |
mintgirl123 Knowflake Posts: 2393 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted December 03, 2011 03:56 PM
I'm like this and I'm a virgo. I think alot of aries are like this too and heavy in uranian people.IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy Knowflake Posts: 1145 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 03, 2011 05:38 PM
With Cap it's a pride thing. My brother's that way and he's a Cap sun.With Taurus...it's probably about being stubborn and probably seeing asking for help as giving in or defeat in some way, so they refuse to do it. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 4048 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted December 03, 2011 05:53 PM
I fly solo and solve my own problems IP: Logged |
lindisfarne Knowflake Posts: 1108 From: she doesn't know that i left my urge in the icebox Registered: Oct 2011
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posted December 03, 2011 06:22 PM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: I fly solo and solve my own problems
What if your lover just wants to make ya feel better or should they just comfort you and leave you to your own devices? I dont know i have never lived with men long enough, I grew up around women... so...ya. IP: Logged |
YoursTrulyAlways Knowflake Posts: 4048 From: Registered: Oct 2011
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posted December 03, 2011 08:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by lindisfarne: What if your lover just wants to make ya feel better or should they just comfort you and leave you to your own devices?I dont know i have never lived with men long enough, I grew up around women... so...ya.
Always appreciate help from a lover. Never turn away comfort from a lover. The idea is to be accomodating and provide what your lover needs to de-stress/de-tox. There is a fine line between providing comfort and quietly retreating. Everybody is different, so its up to you to know exactly what your lover's threshold is. Independence in of itself can be therapeutic at times. When my wife is stressed, I clear the media room and lead her there and put on one of her favourite classic movies. I pour her a glass of wine, and then give her a small neck and back massage. Then I retreat to go prepare dinner for her, and make sure its something she'll like. I'll bring the dinner and a large bottle of soda and ice down to her and let her dine by herself with her movie. Half an hour later, I'll return with a desert and a cocktail and clear out dinner. By the time the movie is over, she would be so much more relaxed, and I would come downstairs to clear everything. Making your lover comfortable is the key to getting him/her to relax and becoming happier. Sometimes, he/she wants to talk, then you stay and talk to his/her heart's content. If there needs to be crying, then cry along and console him/her. Loving him/her is being there for him/her, and yet being able to make yourself disappear when needed. If what he/she wants is sex, then be prepared for that too. Its not about men vs. women. We are all humans. Most of us are loving emotional beings. This will all come naturally once you get to know someone and love that someone with all your heart. IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 22172 From: Saturn next to Charmainec Registered: Apr 2009
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posted December 03, 2011 08:44 PM
Because we can do it.------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 3671 From: Bay Area, CA Registered: May 2009
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posted December 03, 2011 08:44 PM
You forgot Virgos. We almost never ask for help either because we don't want to look incompetent IP: Logged |
CAY_512 Knowflake Posts: 372 From: Registered: Nov 2010
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posted December 03, 2011 10:39 PM
A few reasons, they may see it as a sign of weakness. Its about standing on their own two feet. And I knew a Capricorn moon person who was like this because they felt that true friends don't take from their friends.
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posted December 03, 2011 11:37 PM
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Xiiro Moderator Posts: 1292 From: San Diego CA, USA Registered: Jun 2011
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posted December 04, 2011 02:06 AM
3 out of the 6 Capricorns I know are super needy (though the people they demand from, were perceived to owe them like parents, children, or friends who were previously in need). The other Caps I know often don't accept help because they have an idea of what they want and know how to achieve the desired results. Including others adds a factor of unpredictability which is just unnecessary.The same is similar with the Taurus folks I know. They however, never admit they need help, but strategically place people who are proactive helpers, in situations where they will insist on helping. That way, if the Taurus is asked to help in return they can say, "I never asked for your help, you just ran in and started doing everything". lol The other Taurens I know, just kind of enjoy doing the work. If they are unable to do a specific part, they will pay a professional to do that part. But being part of the building process seems to be satisfying to them. IP: Logged |
frankie2912 Knowflake Posts: 897 From: yep,ks,usa Registered: Apr 2011
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posted December 04, 2011 02:19 AM
I accept (and offer) help all the time..im a Cap sun but I guess my Pisces mars is too lazy to let myself do it all alone if i dont have to :PIP: Logged |
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posted December 04, 2011 02:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by Xiiro: The same is similar with the Taurus folks I know. They however, never admit they need help, but strategically place people who are proactive helpers, in situations where they will insist on helping. That way, if the Taurus is asked to help in return they can say, "I never asked for your help, you just ran in and started doing everything". lol
LMAO! That sounds like something its opposite sign would do too but I guess Taurus applies this in a practical way only.Taurean laziness can really work for them. What a convenient skill to have in one's arsenal...I've gotta learn how to do this, my Cap Mars could use a break. IP: Logged |
anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 04, 2011 02:48 AM
quote: Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways: When my wife is stressed, I clear the media room and lead her there and put on one of her favourite classic movies. I pour her a glass of wine, and then give her a small neck and back massage. Then I retreat to go prepare dinner for her, and make sure its something she'll like. I'll bring the dinner and a large bottle of soda and ice down to her and let her dine by herself with her movie. Half an hour later, I'll return with a desert and a cocktail and clear out dinner. By the time the movie is over, she would be so much more relaxed, and I would come downstairs to clear everything.
That's exactly why I love Cappies! Thanks for this, Ian!
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anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted December 04, 2011 02:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by Randall: Because we can do it.
Coolness! IP: Logged |
sand Knowflake Posts: 6997 From: Registered: May 2011
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lechien Knowflake Posts: 1980 From: in a giant room with 2 little furry friends Registered: May 2009
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posted December 04, 2011 08:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by lindisfarne: For example, Mars cap/Rising and sometimes even moon in cap they do not like to accept help others are willing to give them? My boyfriend is having financial issues and how he is dealing with his troubles at work is by hiding away from the world, he's showing signs of depression, and I've offered to give him money how ever much he needs and I don't expect him to owe me or anything and for some reason even though he clearly needs the money, refuses to accept it and is now even more depressed and continues to hide. I'm all for solidarity and recouping but this is just frightening. Pride?
oh lord, does that sound familiar... my guy, the huge Virgo Stellium with Cap AC, sounds pretty much like yours actually. i know he doesn't mean it this way, but it does make me feel pretty useless, but i try not to go there and ignore it as much as i can... however another thing is that 1 1/2 year ago he did finally give in and took my offer to borrow some amount of money. but because of this pride and guilt, he never EVER mentions it, nor says thank you, and avoid to bring it up until the day he can present the amount in full. again, i know he doesn't mean so but it comes off as pretty rude. i guess he will never change though. IP: Logged |
4lifephrases Knowflake Posts: 157 From: Auckland, New Zealand Registered: Nov 2010
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posted December 05, 2011 07:57 AM
Not sure about TaureansI am sorry to differ. Capricorn not accepting offers is bit rear isn't it? Their Motto is " I USE" I am glad you are meeting such Self made Capricorns.Hope I meet some of them as well however as of now I see lots of them who are asking help all the time. IP: Logged |