posted December 08, 2011 03:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Tofu addict:
What would be in your opinion aspects that makes it difficult to forgive? I have this problem, if somebody wrongs me, i cannot forgive, I can still fume about stuff that happened to me during playschool.
If i look at my own chart, than i think that Mars square Pluto and Sun opposite Pluto might have to do with that.
Any other suggestion?

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It's not Mars-Pluto because I have that and don't hold grudges. My mom had it too and neither did she.

I was just gonna say that maybe it's an afflicted Pluto issue then I re-read your post and saw you mention the sun in opposition to it.

I found this in the Astrologer's Handbook about Sun opposition Pluto...

"This opposition indicates dangers from the overbearing nature of the natives' will. There may be a tendency to force circumstances, or to dictate to other people. The natives are usually impulsive in exerting their influence, especially in attempting to transform the world according to their conceptioon of its needs. Conflict may arise when others do not agree with them. This aspect indicates a need for self-regeneration as a means of establishing more successful and harmonious relationships.

The direct, forceful quality of the native's self-expression will either intimidate or annoy other people, so that the natives cannot gain their support or cooperation.

They are likely to be overly aggressive in matters of sex and romance.

They should avoid getting involved in wars and political and social revolutions, since there will be a source of danger to them."

Mars square Pluto ...

"This square can be dangerous because of its overly forceful nature. Unless other factors in the horoscope mitigate it, the natives' tendency to use force to gain their ends will override careful planning, diplomacy, and love.

In a good horoscope this square can result in an exalted form of courage, but sometimes the outcome is a do-or-die attitude. The natives should always examine the motivations behind their sacrifices. They may desire to perform some spectacular deed only from egotism. This urge can be carried to unnecessary and foolish extremes.

Natives with afflicted horoscopes can easily lose their tempers and become violent. In very extreme cases, where Mars and Saturn are severely afflicted, the aspect can produce brutality and criminal tendencies. This will not be the case with those who possess only the usual disagreeable tendencies that accompany this aspect (although they can be overly aggressive in sexual areas).

The willpower of these natives is highly developed, but as a rule it lacks direction. Sometimes a violent death is indicated if the rest of the chart bears it out.

Often the natives are attracted to violent circumstances, such as wars, revolutions, and riots. They can have a dictatorial inclination, stemming from an attitude that 'might makes right.'

In people with spiritual aspirations, a conflict between the will and the desires is generally indicated. When combined with reason, discipline, and diplomacy, this square can provide the energy for great achievements."

Can I ask what happened with you and the the person you went to school with that you're still mad at? I know you say people wrong YOU, but after reading about those two aspects and how they're both together working in tandem in your own chart - maybe it wasn't them that was the problem? And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this to attack you. I'm saying that sometimes people don't really see themselves and their actions and their responsibility in what went on, clearly. Maybe it's not as clear-cut as them being big bad bullies who just jumped on you out of nowhere - maybe you antagonized them first and did something to them to set them off and make them target you?

posted December 08, 2011 03:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Tofu addict:
yeah, an afflicted Pluto in general, i also have a Moon trine Pluto , maybe no help in this matter with that aspect in top of it.
Funny thing is i have a lot of planets in Pisces, 3 personal ones, so i always hoped that they would override the strong feelings of unforgiveness, but that is not the case.

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You have to look at the entire chart as a whole. If you have several aspects that indicate possible temper issues and problems surrounding a need for control...a few planets in a gentle sign, aren't going to mitigate that a whole lot.

posted December 09, 2011 02:06 AM            

Some people shouldnt be forgiven....

not by me anyway.

Maybe "God" will. Great.

posted December 09, 2011 02:17 AM            

If I do forgive.. I never forget...

I live by
fool me once shame on you
fool me twice shame on me...