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Topic: Death as Shown By The Natal
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Ami Anne
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posted December 17, 2011 01:06 PM
  
Beach Bunny sent me an article on this topic but it was too advanced. Can anyone talk about this subject in a, relatively, simple way. Thanks!------------------
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Lonake
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posted December 17, 2011 01:10 PM
o Ami, I found this yesterday, to add to your collection (mine too hee hee). So morbid, but so interesting:
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Nicole401
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posted December 17, 2011 01:23 PM
In the website below, I read that the 4th house also represents the grave because it is the house of beginnings and endings. quote:
if one has natal Scorpio on the 4th house cusp, their grave is apt to be hidden, lost or hard to find! Pisces on the 4th house cusp, their grave should be inspiring and have a haunting, ethereal kind of beauty. In itself, it may be simple and unobtrusive, but from a certain angle or in a certain light, there will be an atmosphere that is quiet, peaceful and rather special.
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VenusDiSirius
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posted December 17, 2011 01:26 PM
^ H4 as 8th from H8,derivating system.
I noticed that it gives extra details regarding one's death. Haven't checked about graves...IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 17, 2011 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
o Ami, I found this yesterday, to add to your collection (mine too hee hee). So morbid, but so interesting:
http://www.astrologyresearchjournal.org/
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RegardesPlatero
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posted December 17, 2011 02:28 PM
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Lonake
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posted December 17, 2011 02:38 PM
(^ If it's silvery-grey, it's super hot, so says my Venus in Capricorn, and a Cancer Sun lady I work with.)On topic (sorta) I have Saturn/Pluto conj my IC (Pluto's actually in the 4th) and I don't want a grave or any marker for my remains. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 17, 2011 03:57 PM
Hmm the grave thing is not too scary, just how are you gonna die  ------------------
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anongrl10
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posted December 17, 2011 04:07 PM
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RegardesPlatero
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posted December 17, 2011 04:14 PM
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Lonake
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posted December 17, 2011 04:26 PM
I've never read anything remotely definitive, that seemed really backed up w.appropriate research. I think the best way might be to do it retroactively, where you look at someone's death first, specify the astrological correspondences for all the factors that contributed, and then look at the natal to see if those astro factors are indeed related.Prime factors for it seem to involve the ruler of the 8th, and placements in the 8th, from my research on death, but those have only been casual factors really, or I mean to say that I've never looked into if manner of death can be seen in the basic natal, just if the death can be seen in the natal + progressed + solar arc + transit for that specific day (the date of their death), and I've been pretty satisfied with that research. The ruler of the 8th almost always, if not always, has a say in those charts, but the fact is that you can die from a combination of so many different factors, and natals are all set up so differently, that if you were to research, it seems that you would really be at it for a long time. You could make broad categories, like murder, or natural disease, or accident, or suicide, and there has been research done on those, easy enough to get charts from Astrodatabank, but even then I don't think you can be too certain, all you can come up with is some kind of 'educated' guess. That link that I showed you on murderers (single homicides and serial killers combined) they found in their research Sun was often opp to H8 cusp, and Saturn was often opp to H12 cusp, and ruler of the 8th was often sq to the H8 cusp (among others). But one will never, as in all chart readings, spell out the whole story, you really need many factors to add up pointing to the same general conclusion. My $00.02 IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted December 17, 2011 04:43 PM
I will have a pleasant death.
I have Jupiter in the 8th sextile Mars. Another person I know, not so lucky. He has Uranus in the 8th square Venus/Mars t squaring Chiron exact. IP: Logged |
moonpie
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posted December 17, 2011 05:23 PM
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I will have a pleasant death.
I have Jupiter in the 8th sextile Mars. Another person I know, not so lucky. He has Uranus in the 8th square Venus/Mars t squaring Chiron exact.
Venus in the 8th trines my Jupiter would indicate a peaceful death but there is no way I'm going to get comfortable with that. This is really one small piece to the puzzle. Progressions, transits, solar returns all play a part. I really doubt anyone who has died peacefully had Jupiter or Venus in the 8th. They probably had Mars and Uranus in squares to other planets as well. I looked up birth charts of dead celebrities and some didnt make sense. Then there is Whole signs system or Vedic Astrology which many people say works for them so that would mean the chart will change and who knows that might be the "right Astrology"....When it comes to these kind of predictions, I would think its best to use the progressed chart. IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted December 17, 2011 05:27 PM
Um, That wasn't my point. My point was MY 8th house has Jupiter sextile Mars and makes no other aspects to my other planets at all. Progressions and Solar Arcs are simply based off the birth chart as it unfolds, so the math would be there and the timing as well and the energy would indeed be my Jupiter and Mars no matter how you look at it.Planets in the 8th; badly aspected or nicley aspected show the manner of death in astrology. End of story. Obviously you didn't check Princess Diana's chart. IP: Logged |
moonpie
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posted December 17, 2011 05:36 PM
I have checked Princess Diana's chart. That one I can understand, others don't match that's why I'm inclined to believe there is more going on. I also did birth charts on my deceased family members and didnt expect to see a few things.IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted December 17, 2011 05:37 PM
Well, keep learning sweetie.  FYI, Princess Di had Uranus in the 8th badly aspected. IP: Logged |
moonpie
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posted December 17, 2011 05:40 PM
Geez, no need to be rude and yes I already know about Princess Diana's 8th house.IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted December 17, 2011 05:43 PM
Sorry, transit Moon is square my Mercury/Venus.IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted December 17, 2011 05:51 PM
quote:
Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I will have a pleasant death.
I have Jupiter in the 8th sextile Mars. Another person I know, not so lucky. He has Uranus in the 8th square Venus/Mars t squaring Chiron exact.
Its funny I have cancer in the 8th cusp and the ruler of my 8th is the moon. My moon is in Pisces conjunct IC by one orb. I want to die either having an orgasm with someone I Love or in my home in my bed with someone I care about holding my hand. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 17, 2011 05:58 PM
^ That is amusing (!) My 8th ruler is Sagittarius Uranus in the 5th, I want to be out on an adventure somewhere, like just coming back to the hotel from backpacking somewhere and then die in my lil room from a heart attack or something quick (as a result of so much exhaustion/stress from the adventure), like just as I was ready to settle in and take a bath, boom (!) Then cremated, no fuss, no marker. Easy in, easy out. Funny thing is I've already had a heart attack from stress (technically my heart is in good condition), so I am really only halfway there lol.IP: Logged |
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posted December 19, 2011 09:56 AM
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Ami Anne
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posted December 19, 2011 11:41 AM
I HATE the idea of cremation ------------------
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posted December 19, 2011 12:19 PM
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VenusDiSirius
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posted December 19, 2011 01:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I HATE the idea of cremation
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anongrl10
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posted December 19, 2011 01:28 PM
I have no idea why I'm reading through this thread .... IP: Logged |
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