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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted January 01, 2012 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been reading and I'm quite surprised to find quite some differences between Western and Vedic astrology.

In Western astrology, the 11th House is commonly associated with friendships. In Vedic astrology, it seems that the 11th House has to do with gains and expectations, such that it is the main driver of wealth accumulation. Yes, 2nd House is still the House of wealth, but that is personal wealth. Acquired wealth still sits in 11th House, paycheck from work is in 10th House, and inheritance is still in 8th House.

In Western astrology, the 9th House seems to focus on spirituality, morals and higher learning. In Vedic astrology, its very clear that it focuses on luck.

The Indians point out that if you pull the charts of a billionaire, you will see extremely prominent 11th and 9th Houses, in addition to 2nd House.

In fact, the guy I spoke to told me that 2nd House is "no big deal" and that the 11th House is the biggest deal. The 10th House only deal with the career, sort of implying that a full 10th House means that you will just be an employee and no more than that.

It was also said that if you don't have a 9th House, you won't have the luck necessary to run a hyper successful business and therefore likely won't be ultra rich.

I know this forum focuses mainly on love and relationships, so I'm sorry to discuss such a mundane topic.

Just want to seek confirmation that it is indeed so different between the two types of astrologies that seem so similar on the surface.

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posted January 01, 2012 09:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not ready to learn a new system yet. But Western seems spot-on for people I am close to. For example, the two wealthiest people I know have 2nd House emphasis. The wealthier one has a stellium in there, including NN.

11th House is vacant for both.

I'm probably going to inherit at least a little but my 8th is vacant unless you count an asteroid.

I'll Google JP Morgan & Donald Trump's charts later and edit this post.

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http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/JfUtLRkJ4PtA.htm
JP Morgan: loaded 2nd. I'm pretty sure this chart is accurate. He used an astrologer to time his investments and supposedly said, "Millionaires don't use astrology; billionaires do."

http://www.astrotheme.com/portraits/TJreZp3ydqBP.htm
Donald Trump: Jupiter in the 2nd, Saturn in 11th, amongst others

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posted January 01, 2012 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My 2nd House has Jupiter in Aires. My 10th House has Sun in Capricorn. My 11th House has Mars and Mercury in Capricorn. My 9th House is empty. My NN is in the 5th House.

The Indian guy concluded that I'm always going to be an employee and I'm never going to be a business owner or entrepreneur. Lol. Howver, he seems to believe that I need to step up my personal investment risk taking, which is really against my nature and risk appetite.

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posted January 01, 2012 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
True enough. Donald Trump has a loaded 2nd, 11th and 12th. I see Sun in 11th, NN in 11th and Jupiter in 2nd. I see Venus in 12th and Mars in 1st.

See? 11th House is prominent. Looks like he has nothing in the 10th House.

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posted January 01, 2012 10:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VenusDiSirius     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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In Vedic astrology, it seems
that the 11th House has to do with gains and expectations,
such that it is the main driver of wealth accumulation.

Of course,dreams and aspirations are main force.
H2 is the material part of accumulation.

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The 11th House stands for humanity as a whole, as well as hopes and dreams, doesn't it? Donald Trump does seem to share the wealth of his knowledge with humanity.

If you have NN in your 5th, it could point to finding your destiny in stocks....

Mine is in the 12th so I'm probably gonna dissolve :P

Ok, I'm gonna bounce. Ttyl8r!

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posted January 01, 2012 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have three personal planets in the 9th (mercury, venus, mars) and pluto and saturn in the 11th....If I am ever rich it will be bc of my partnership with husband bc he has the creativity and drive to keep growing financially, but me!? My drive is relationships and helping others with personal growth and growing as a person myself.

I wish I could say that I am the type to make a billion bucks bc I do like to travel and if I was rich I would travel several times a year and always stay at nice resorts and would probably start some kind of organization to help poor children in Africa once I ensure I have a home fully paid for bc I am not into having a bunch of money just sitting in the bank, is not my style although I would definitely want to have savings but after a certain point I would stop saving and start traveling, helping, and investing in things that I believe in. That would be cool.

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posted January 01, 2012 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
However I could end up rich, I am not going to lie, but it would be bec of my business partnership with husband.......In my case following my hopes and dreams with a smart partner who likes making money and been lucky would be why.

You know husband has empty 9th and 11th house and when he met me is when his luck started to change more and more each year with money...so his brains and my luck and me pushing him to follow his dreams and believing in him perhaps are a good combo.

Very interesting thread by the way!

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Our composite 8th house has Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto in it.......I think this explains why every year it gets better for us financially.......Saturn kind it makes sure it happens slowly but steadily...and jupiter gives us luck and makes sure we expand on this area....pluto in the 8th could result in us inheriting from his mother and brother as both are very rich but to be honest I am not counting on the ladder but since pluto has to do with death I suppose is a possibility.

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posted January 02, 2012 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for raya_of_light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have Mars in Libra in 9th house, Moon in Libra, Jupiter in Scorpio, Saturn in Libra, Pluto in Libra--all in 10th House, Uranus in Saggitarius in 11th House, Mean Node and True Node in 7th House, nothing in 1st, 2nd, 4th, or 8th house. Most of my planets are concentrated in the 4th quadrant.

I did a Vedic natal report and it stated that I was going to be always an employee and struggles with becoming wealthy.

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posted January 02, 2012 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for enchantress299     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting note about the 11th house- about a year ago, I ended up meeting up with some 'real' astrologers in my hometown. They were having a little get together, and one of them knew me and so she invited me along. One thing I learned is that the 11th house is the 'Love received' house, whereas the 5th house is the 'Love given' house. One astrologer swore up and down that you aren't supposed to look at the 7th house for successful partnerships, but at the 11th house.

I've noticed that a lot of the time in astrology, the love houses get mixed up with the financial houses, so I'm wondering if this has something to do with the fact that they are saying that the 11th house is important if you are going to be a millionaire. In that case it wouldn't only be the 'love received' house, but also the 'money received' house. Or, if it is supposed to function like the 7th, then it would include business partnerships too.

Looking at traditional astrology though, the 11th does deal with how we deal with the public at large (not our image in the public, which is the domain of the 10th), and I would imagine that anyone obscenely rich would have to deal with the public on some level and have positive relations with the public.

As far as the 9th house goes- I'm not entirely sure of the rationale there. Actually no... Sorry- the reason the 9th focuses on luck is because it is traditionally ruled by Sagittarius and Jupiter (planet of luck)... However, I would think that you would have to have additional aspects to increase wealth from the 9th house. 9th house luck could be luck regarding anything, in my opinion.

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posted January 02, 2012 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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The Indian guy concluded that I'm always going to be an employee and I'm never going to be a business owner or entrepreneur. Lol. Howver, he seems to believe that I need to step up my personal investment risk taking, which is really against my nature and risk appetite.
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Rubbish, listen to this Indian guy instead

Combine the best of the systems:

11th = Profits BECAUSE of a Strong Social Network

2nd = Cash Flow + Cash Accumulation.

5th = Speculative Luck

9th = Luck because of Spiritual Application and Knowledge.

10th = Career Effort.

The Indian Systems have excessive focus on Fated Wealth. Now this is like winning a lottery. However, the maximum millionaires have used their Mind Power and activated the Law of Abundance. Even with difficult charts.


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My 2nd House has Jupiter in Aries. My 10th House has Sun in Capricorn. My 11th House has Mars and Mercury in Capricorn. My 9th House is empty. My NN is in the 5th House.
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Jupiter in Aries 2nd WILL HAVE THE POWER to grow wealthy through small business ownership.

11th House is quite good. 9th may be emoty but do you not have a 9th House Lord? Activate His Wisdom and you no longer have an empty 9th. And NN in 5th will always give you luck when you need it most.

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posted January 02, 2012 04:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Rubbish, listen to this Indian guy instead "
Funny

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posted January 02, 2012 07:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, IQ!!

You indeed are funny

Also, these astrologers also haven't figured that this is the age where you can be "just an employee," own less than 1% of the company, and your paycheck can be an outrageous $250 million a year

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posted January 02, 2012 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When ya'll are checking your charts for the vedic way, make sure you're setting it to the sidereal zodiac and you're using whole signs (right?).

My western chart shows Sun and Mercury in 9th, but in Vedic, only Mercury is in the 9th. In both I have Jupiter in the 11th.

Oh BOY. I'll get back to ya'll when I make my first million

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posted January 02, 2012 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raya_of_light     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by iQ:
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The Indian guy concluded that I'm always going to be an employee and I'm never going to be a business owner or entrepreneur. Lol. Howver, he seems to believe that I need to step up my personal investment risk taking, which is really against my nature and risk appetite.
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Rubbish, listen to this Indian guy instead

Combine the best of the systems:

11th = Profits BECAUSE of a Strong Social Network

2nd = Cash Flow + Cash Accumulation.

5th = Speculative Luck

9th = Luck because of Spiritual Application and Knowledge.

10th = Career Effort.

The Indian Systems have excessive focus on Fated Wealth. Now this is like winning a lottery. However, the maximum millionaires have used their Mind Power and activated the Law of Abundance. Even with difficult charts.


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My 2nd House has Jupiter in Aries. My 10th House has Sun in Capricorn. My 11th House has Mars and Mercury in Capricorn. My 9th House is empty. My NN is in the 5th House.
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Jupiter in Aries 2nd WILL HAVE THE POWER to grow wealthy through small business ownership.

11th House is quite good. 9th may be emoty but do you not have a 9th House Lord? Activate His Wisdom and you no longer have an empty 9th. And NN in 5th will always give you luck when you need it most.


@iQ: Love love your perspective. Awesome. I love it when two systems come together. Since your perspective on this could you explain about how the compatibility rating (36 maximum score possible) in Vedic is favorable while the Western compatibility indicate that it is not so favorable? What is your take on it? Thanks!

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posted January 06, 2012 06:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Desiring Shadows     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This actually would make more sense.... 11th pisces I have like 3 long term friendships
2nd cancer

My sister is an 11th aquarius
2nd aquarius

She has loads of friends that give her popularity and fame. She goes out a lot. (But she has no money.)
I have & they always need to borrow from me!

(Im in highschool. We're not talking about serious loans... More like $10)

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posted July 25, 2015 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moving to Vedic Astrology.

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