posted June 17, 2012 03:17 AM            

Earth signs tend to be Agnostic. They are more open but still seem Cautious.

Fire, I am not sure. They dont seem to like rules in general.

Water seems to be the most understanding and spiritual. We know and FEEL a presence and a Universal knowing/beauty in everything.

posted June 17, 2012 03:44 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
im mostly air and earth and i believe in God. in my mind it is rational to believe in God. the big bang was how the universe was allegedly created, but what caused that to happen? where did all that matter come from?theres alot of holes in that theory.

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posted June 17, 2012 03:50 AM            

I really dislike dogmatic religion (as opposed to belief in God/dess) because I see it as unreasonable and needlessly oppressive and spreading cruelty that should not exist. And it doesn't make sense. For example, why is it ok now for Christians to eat lobster and have a divorce for reasons other than infidelity and be opposed to slavery and stoning children to death for disobedience yet still be hateful to gays? In Christianity marriage was once polygamous and then it changed to its current form and has changed in many small ways since then but they act as if it was always unchanging when even their Bible shows its nature changed. And why quote the part of Jesus implying marriage is between a man and woman (more of an assumption but they interpret that as a definition) yet ignore the verse that comes almost right after that says God does not allow divorce save for infidelity and if a man put away his wife (can the wife put away the man by the Bible?) for anything else then he's still married and any sex after, even in another marriage, is adultery in God's eyes, yet they happily ignore that verse while overly emphasizing one before it and acting as if it cannot be questioned. Why? THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. And yeah, the vast majority of Christians would no longer stone their children to death or keep slaves (there are even Christian hymns against slavery despite that the Bible is for it!) but they can't change in this one other way as well? Why so arbitrary on what parts of the Bible to obey (and force on others, even unbelievers, as much as possible) while happily ignoring the other parts? It's insanity to me, and I want them, so passionately, to stop because it (and the suffering it causes) is pointless and without sanity or rational meaning.

posted June 17, 2012 03:54 AM            

I think that...there is no proof either way. We can infer and reason stuff, though, like...we are just a cluster of atoms, somehow alive. I believe that's called the Argument of Design.

Like aquaguy mentioned, the big bang theory and how those gases came together randomly...but existed previously? Where did they come from? If God made everything, what made God?

I believe that...if God is all mighty, omnipotent, then God wouldn't need to have an origin. God is God, God can do anything and everything. I believe that if God exists, God is literally limitless...unhindered by our laws of space, time, etc. (notice I've avoided referring to God as him, or her? I did so because that would be instilling a limit...if God is 'him', does that imply being 'her' is off limits...?)

posted June 17, 2012 03:56 AM            

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arguing there is no God or any God-like 'Supreme' being -- atheism) is a bit irrational.. There is no proof either way.

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posted June 17, 2012 04:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
The air sign people I know are agnostic.. I actually think it's more rational to be agnostic... because arguing there is no God or any God-like 'Supreme' being -- (atheism) is a bit irrational.. There is no proof either way.

I do believe in my version of God. I am spiritual, but not religious.
My chart is a mix of fire-earth-water, with a lack of air.

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i agree. there is no proof either way so i shy away from the extremes. and it makes sense to pave your own path and define things for yourself. that way you won't fall to hypocrisy because of your convictions and formulated inner truths.

posted June 17, 2012 04:05 AM            

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A spiritual agnostic is a subset of traditional agnosticism that is distinguished by the acceptance of the value of universal ethics yet rejection of any aspects of religions that seem divisive.[1]

For example, love is the ideal source of motivation, and since many (if not all) religions emphasize love, a spiritual agnostic might participate in the practices of one particular religion while simultaneously rejecting some of the mainstream principles of that religion.

Regardless of this possibility, spiritual agnosticism claims that innate morality and common ethics are far more important than differences in beliefs.

A spiritual agnostic would say "It doesn't matter which religion you might follow, nor does it matter whether or not you believe in God. What matters is what you do, not what you believe."

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posted June 17, 2012 04:08 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
..The big bang was how the universe was allegedly created, but what caused that to happen? where did all that matter come from?theres alot of holes in that theory.

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The big bang was caused because stars eventually run out of elements(ie. He,H) to keep them going.

Once stars run out of fuel they compact, become a supernova and explode.

The universe started from a cloud of Hydrogen and Helium that fused, compacted and exploded to form stars and heavier elements in the periodic table.

My question is were did that Helium and Hydrogen cloud that started everything come from?.

Anyway, there have been times I questioned my belief in God.

You can pray and its seams as if he doesn't appear to be listening.

Other times he listens and your prayers get answered or you may have a life altering experience that changes your perspective.

I think the earthy or water placements would have unquestionable faith were as the air placements would question the what if more.

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Mercury in Gemini
Venus In Taurus

posted June 17, 2012 04:13 AM            

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My question is were did that Helium and Hydrogen cloud that started everything come from?

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The Argument of Necessity! God is a necessary part of the equation. (Just to be clear, I'm not pushing God, just bringing up what the response to that question is, )

posted June 17, 2012 04:40 AM            

I was originally raised in a conservative denomination, left it, went through an intense questioning and examining period, was atheist, was agnostic, and then re-became Christian in a much more liberal denomination that fits my values. I did strongly consider other faiths.

I don't believe that faith or God can be proven one way or the other. I also don't believe in looking for "the one truth". Honestly, no one can--and in my opinion no one should--know everything.

Questioning and uncertainty can be frustrating, but they develop the mind and character and add a lot of meaning to life.

I don't believe, either, in saying that your way of faith is the only way or that there is just one and only one way of approaching God, interpreting God, or experiencing God.

I also feel that questioning and examining is a good thing, not a bad one.

I also believe that people have to live with the tension of believing without ever being able to know for sure that you're right.

posted June 17, 2012 05:32 AM            

i dont belive in god but i dont belive in scientifict theories that are yet unproven either...

posted June 17, 2012 08:00 AM            

The majority of Virgo women I've known are strongly spiritual and believe in God, they were all born a month or two after me. Dunno bout the men. It's been the case with a lot of Sagittarians I've met too, or they are at least agnostic.

I've only seen the atheist thing pop up in Aquarius, not so much Gemini and Libra but I know plenty of Aquas who believe in God.

posted June 17, 2012 08:10 AM            

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LOL OK!!

Does this mean I get to see you go head to head with my other Scorpio betrothed - in an earth-shattering Scorpionic - fight to the death?

Because that would be SO hot.

posted June 17, 2012 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by butterflyxoxxo:
Earth signs tend to be Agnostic. They are more open but still seem Cautious.

So do you believe in God?

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"Live a good life. If there are Gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are Gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no Gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." - Marcus Aurelius

Although, honestly I tend to lean more towards believing that we living in (for all intents and purposes) a computer simulated world who's purpose serves to allow other beings to experience emotions and experiences not available in their place of existence. But that's not so much of a belief as a dream.

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posted June 17, 2012 09:18 AM            

I do believe in God. But with Chiron in the 9th, as I've discussed here, I feel disillusioned at times. Like no one 'up there' actually gives a damn about human life. It doesn't mean I don't BELIEVE in the presence of God. I just feel like God is a concept I don't KNOW exactly how I feel about. I'll just feel lonely and mistreated at times, and wonder why God even wanted me to be here on earth anyway. And why he wants other people who suffer to be here too. Sometimes I guess I just resent how much people put faith in religion to heal their problems when it's never healed any of mine.

One area I can agree with the Air and being too logical: Personally I feel my Air singleton adds more fuel to the fire. One way I struggle with God/religion is, I just... can't let my mind relax with it. Although I have a lot of water, I really can't get into the emotional aspects of church. I just feel like I have mental barriers up, like I'm not easily convinced. Isn't that ridiculous? I sound like they're trying to brain wash me, not help me... it's disturbing.

posted June 17, 2012 12:17 PM            

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Originally posted by Ariehnox:
I'm a Spiritual Agnostic. (Leo Sun/Aqua Moon/Aqua Asc)

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A spiritual agnostic is a subset of traditional agnosticism that is distinguished by the acceptance of the value of universal ethics yet rejection of any aspects of religions that seem divisive.[1]

For example, love is the ideal source of motivation, and since many (if not all) religions emphasize love, a spiritual agnostic might participate in the practices of one particular religion while simultaneously rejecting some of the mainstream principles of that religion.

Regardless of this possibility, spiritual agnosticism claims that innate morality and common ethics are far more important than differences in beliefs.

A spiritual agnostic would say "It doesn't matter which religion you might follow, nor does it matter whether or not you believe in God. What matters is what you do, not what you believe."

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posted June 17, 2012 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I'm almost completely Air & Fire and I guess I'd say I'm agnostic. I do believe one can have supernatural mystical experiences that one could call "god like" but I'm not at all sure what that is. That is, perhaps it's a psychic force generated by us (that is, we subconsciously create the gods in our own image) or maybe their psychic force creates us (so we all are aspects of divinity, male and female, yin and yang, cosmic and terrestrial made physical, or at least mental). I can think of a lot of other possibilities as well.

I really dislike dogmatic religion (as opposed to belief in God/dess) because I see it as unreasonable and needlessly oppressive and spreading cruelty that should not exist. And it doesn't make sense. For example, why is it ok now for Christians to eat lobster and have a divorce for reasons other than infidelity and be opposed to slavery and stoning children to death for disobedience yet still be hateful to gays? In Christianity marriage was once polygamous and then it changed to its current form and has changed in many small ways since then but they act as if it was always unchanging when even their Bible shows its nature changed. And why quote the part of Jesus implying marriage is between a man and woman (more of an assumption but they interpret that as a definition) yet ignore the verse that comes almost right after that says God does not allow divorce save for infidelity and if a man put away his wife (can the wife put away the man by the Bible?) for anything else then he's still married and any sex after, even in another marriage, is adultery in God's eyes, yet they happily ignore that verse while overly emphasizing one before it and acting as if it cannot be questioned. Why? THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. And yeah, the vast majority of Christians would no longer stone their children to death or keep slaves (there are even Christian hymns against slavery despite that the Bible is for it!) but they can't change in this one other way as well? Why so arbitrary on what parts of the Bible to obey (and force on others, even unbelievers, as much as possible) while happily ignoring the other parts? It's insanity to me, and I want them, so passionately, to stop because it (and the suffering it causes) is pointless and without sanity or rational meaning.

But now that I think about it that passion for reason and adaptability and inability understand why others would cling to silly and sometimes cruel dogma in such a selective and arbitrary way would be reflective of my balanced mix of fire & air, wouldn't it?

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Yeah, I can see how the whole "selective reasoning" would be a problem. For some reason it really is not for me.

posted June 17, 2012 01:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Sashar:
"Live a good life. If there are Gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are Gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no Gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones." - Marcus Aurelius

Although, honestly I tend to lean more towards believing that we living in (for all intents and purposes) a computer simulated world who's purpose serves to allow other beings to experience emotions and experiences not available in their place of existence. But that's not so much of a belief as a dream.

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