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Topic: T.Mars and t.Saturn about to conjunct
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CosmicKarma360
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posted August 10, 2012 02:05 PM
  
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Ceridwen
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posted August 10, 2012 02:24 PM
Actually Saturn is exalted in Libra, and Mars is in detriment I think; so probably Saturn is going to keep the upper hand; The dispositor of both is Venus in Cancer, so it might be moodier and more emotional than we would expect.A theme with this aspect could be to actively come to a decision what boundaries we need in relationships of any kind (including social ones) and actively build them. But then again Mars in Libra is more of an "iron fist in velvet glove" thing, but it still is in a cardinal sign.
I guess the consequences will be far reacing and decivie for social relationships for quite some time to come. It might be quite difficult to get anything started though, as Saturn tends to put the brakes on Mars.
However I think in the background very basic decisions are brewing and are being put into motion when Mars separates from Saturn, especially when it moves into Scorpio, one of the two signs it rules. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 10, 2012 03:00 PM
This is all happening in my 12th, and I've had a rough week. I've noticed that a good part of what has been so upsetting to me with Saturn in Libra, has been recurrences of things that happened when I was a kid and Saturn was first in Libra for me. It's been like rubbing salt into wounds, rather than healing them.  I brought up something the other night, that embarrassed my mother, and me, too. She wants to talk to me - she knows I'm upset, and seems to be past her own upset - but I'm still feeling too raw. I wrote it all out to her in more than one email, so she was sort of side-swiped. I felt bad about that, but I was on the defensive and also reeling from all of these feelings. Feelings that I missed out on so much, that my life is gone - I lost so much - and it was thanks to this, this and that taking out my confidence. I didn't have a boyfriend to help me to feel pretty or confident (I'm hearing about girls whose confidence was boosted by falling in love as a teen - no boy treated me that well). Ugh, I'm blabbing. I'll edit later (sorry, but this is just too much). I think this conjunction is conjunct my mother's moon. She also has Chiron squaring her Sun right now. I keep forgetting things like that. Ugh. I haven't been putting Neptune energy to good use - I should have been doing something/anything creative, but I stop short. IP: Logged |
CosmicKarma360
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posted August 10, 2012 03:08 PM
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teasel
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posted August 10, 2012 03:12 PM
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teasel
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posted August 10, 2012 03:13 PM
Oh, yes, and even though we were fighting and avoiding each other: last night I made her some dandelion coffee, put it in a flask, and put a few slices of the banana bread I'd just made, into a sandwich bag, just in case she woke up and didn't want to come up into the kitchen (what with me being up here). It didn't strike me how very Libra that is, until now.  I have Moon conjunct Venus. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted August 10, 2012 06:06 PM
Yes Saturn is exalted in Libra, in Scorpio it stuffs emotion down to a seething boil, so this is your last chance. And this is the schooling you'll need, Relationship Training 101 before the proverbial sh!t hits the fan. These are the basics. Two years have been spent learning again about boundaries in relationships, what you will and won't put up with, what is your crap and what is theirs, and drawing that line in the sand holding the other to a high standard of being responsible for what they need and want in a relationship, always maintaining an open line of communication. Seeing the other person's point of view. Cooperation. Being willing to go out of your way to make a show of goodwill, for the sake of solidifying the relationship. Being willing to drop something that isn't working and being OK alone. Eliminating a toxic need that keeps you bound to undesirables, because you're better than that. Associating with your own kind. Conjunct Mars in Libra adds a heavy dose of strategy, battle plan, back up plans, have them all in line; never forget that the goal is to get the partners working alongside each other for the needs of the relationship. This is a dance (Libra) of being willing to incorporate the needs or wishes of someone else (Mars) and being able to put the brakes on when the scales are out of balance (Saturn). There's no rest point, there's no place where the music turns to a lull and you get a break. You are constructing the good times as you go along, it is up to you. Be responsible. This is hard work in order to strengthen the relationship. And necessary work when the time comes to stand up and say that you're done, that everything you've tried hasn't been working, and to just leave because the other (Libra) won't always be in line with you and willing to see your point of view. Get a new dance partner. Distance yourself, get some objectivity, and realize that two people working together make a relationship (of any sort), not one partner pushing the other to get in line with their demands. Push yourself too hard, ignoring your own needs/wants, and you break (Mars/Saturn alone, and Mars in Libra) but just enough at just the right time, again being responsible for what's yours, and you're golden (Mars/Saturn in Libra). If single, same applies in basic relations with others; you're building muscle for the Scorpio ingress. Look to the house where the transiting conjunction falls to see where you will be willing to extend that hand and give the other person the benefit of the doubt or to implement a new strategy (as a test since Mars/Saturn is all about endurance and carrying a burden) to see how far you've come. If you know enough about astrology and houses to see where this conjunction would fall then it would be foolish to let it pass by without offering yourself up for the challenge. That is the essence of Mars conjunct Saturn, a testing of limits to see how much you can take. Do the work even if you're scared, and get it over with. Don't give in to Libra procrastination; work that's piled up leads to frustration, and that is not the kind of Mars/Saturn energy that you want to be dealing with. Maybe transiting Saturn will be going over one of your house cusps this coming week, with transiting Mars conjunct in the current house and in the next; well then you have your work cut out for you. Do both. Get it in gear. Like Ceri mentioned Venus in Cancer will be driving this conjunction @ 24 degrees and around the 14th/15th when they are partile (depending on your location) she is in a T-square opposed Pluto in Capricorn, square Uranus in Aries. There's a breaking point here, relationships will fall away if they were meant to, leaving space for something new, maybe leaving space for a relationship you were fearful of in a prior state (before you did the Saturn in Libra work). Look to see what transiting Saturn is doing to your chart (directed), hard aspects, to see how this loss might manifest, if at all. On the other hand, something sudden and engulfing may surprise you and catch you off guard, in order for you to test those Saturn Libra limits and see how much you've learned. Venus/Uranus/Pluto isn't tame. This brings the Libra Mars/Saturn conj back to the fore, how well can you maintain equilibrium in the face of someone losing their head, or in the face of a potential relationship that may scare you to death. Be mindful of what it is you hope to achieve and if something wants to fall away, let it. If someone comes into your life then, hold them to a high standard and don't forget to expect the same from yourself. Since Venus is in hard aspect to Uranus and Pluto, those with natal Venus in hard aspect to either Uranus or Pluto will need to be on alert either way. Once again, all practice for when Saturn enters Scorpio where you'll be going deeper if you dare. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted August 10, 2012 06:22 PM
Lonake, 
It`s taking place in my 10th house, and the T-square you mentioned happens in my cardinal houses, with my natal Venus at 6 Cappy being kind of involved (well Tr Pluto is not going to tick it off again, but Uranus will).
The Mars/SAturn conjunction isn`t making any hard aspects to my natal chart. (unless we count a 3 degree square to my Vertex on 21 Cancer)
However it has a minor hard aspect, a semisquare to my Neptune/NN conjunction which is currently conjunct SA Uranus. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 10, 2012 06:36 PM
Mars/Saturn is opposing my Mercury/Ceres/Chiron/Sun. It's also squaring my mother's Saturn. (I was her Saturn Return baby.)Venus will hit my T-square of Jupiter, Pluto and Saturn. IP: Logged |
CosmicKarma360
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posted August 10, 2012 09:07 PM
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posted August 10, 2012 09:12 PM
We can find out when the upcoming Mars-Saturn conjunction is exact by using the Planetary Aspects and Transits software. It's 10:30 GMT on August 15 (= 3:30 PDT for you folks in California). Here's the PAT image:  This planetary alignment is especially interesting because of the fairly exact T-square formed by Venus, Uranus and Pluto. All three aspects in this T-square are less than 1 degree from exact at that time (the Venus-Pluto opposition is just 3' from exact). Playing with the PAT software (moving back and forward by 30 minutes) shows that two days before, on August 13, there is a grand trine and two T-squares. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted August 10, 2012 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
Don't know if I should buy a lottery ticket, or go hide in a bomb shelter for the week!
Bombs are more for Mars/Uranus/Pluto and lotteries for Jupiter/Uranus 
Do the shelter on the week that transiting Mars is conj t.Pluto in Cap (!)IP: Logged |
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posted August 10, 2012 11:43 PM
Very good thread. Ceridwen and Lonake deserve a special THANK YOU! IP: Logged |
CosmicKarma360
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posted August 10, 2012 11:51 PM
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Lonake
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posted August 11, 2012 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The Mars/SAturn conjunction isn`t making any hard aspects to my natal chart. (unless we count a 3 degree square to my Vertex on 21 Cancer)However it has a minor hard aspect, a semisquare to my Neptune/NN conjunction which is currently conjunct SA Uranus.
That's a sizable conjunction. It's in Sagittarius right? Feel the effects of the t. nodes, Jupiter and Neptune?
I get this Mars and Saturn passing over my Pluto in the 4th. When it ends I'll have something to add to the Saturn/Pluto transit thread.IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted August 11, 2012 01:09 AM
Saturn in opp to your Sun is likely to be draining, eating up your reserves. Very disconcerting. 6th is habits and health so it's highlighting by opp to the 12th the natural tendency to stay behind the scenes, except now it's asking you to break those habits that no longer serve you, those that have you end up with wasted energy leading you on a road to nowhere. Mars enhances the frustration for a short time. So some thought paid to the matter and time taken to re-arrange how you go about your day (strategic thinking) will aid in the short term (this conjunction). Think about everything you do on a daily basis that could make or break you. Saturn 6th likes things ordered and categorized, checking their list all day long. This isn't really what Aries Sun in the 12th is about so no wonder it doesn't feel kosher to the real you. Good time to re-evaluate any H12 tendencies to seclusion that could keep you from living a life of your own choosing. Since I'm going off of the fact that you said t.Saturn is opp your Sun, look also to see what house has Leo on the cusp for more information. That area is coming under Saturn's harsh review and may feel like it's dying a slow death which adds to the issue. And in general Saturn in the 6th has a tendency to feel picked over, that no matter how much work is done at the job others will always shine instead of the native, and that can get very depressing since the workhorse planet is in the house of the servant and Saturn expects a reward for its effort. You may or may not be rewarded from superiors during this time, but good habits will pay off when the time comes and any successful person knows this.Here's something from a site that takes into acct the ruling house of the planet being transited for a generalized review: http://www.astrology-x-files.com/transits/sun-op-saturn.html - not everything will apply but it's a start to get thinking on rulerships.
And I think any time you're going through a stressful period, check your natal, progressed and solar arc Moon positions, and what they're getting by way of transit or aspects between, to get a bigger picture of where you're at right now. IP: Logged |
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posted August 11, 2012 01:12 AM
I am not liking this conjunction of Saturn and Mars at the 24th degree of Libra - BOTH My Cancer moon and 3rd house cusp is at 24 Cancer. This aspect has zero orbs and pretty well exacr. Iam starting to wonder about when the house cusps are aspected and what a person feels when it happens.This week, I have been feeling depressed because after 18 months of living where I am, I have no nieghbor friends. The row of houses across from md sppear tight knit and close. Another family moved in last December and they welcomed them with open arms. I am not sure what to think. I read somewhere not to tske it personslly. After acknowledging how I think and feel sbout my neifhborhood, I feel better and realized that These are not the kind of people I would like in my life. I, then thought of the old apartment building I used to live ar for eight years. When I moved in there, the neighbors I had were very friendly and eventually I got to know a few of them. How I miss them and this is whatI miss here but, looking at the reality of my current neighbors I have a feeling there will never be another experience like rhat old place. Where the mars energy comes in - I don't know really Cynn IP: Logged |
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posted August 11, 2012 02:09 AM
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Very good thread. Ceridwen and Lonake deserve a special THANK YOU!
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teasel
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posted August 11, 2012 02:14 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
And I think any time you're going through a stressful period, check your natal, progressed and solar arc Moon positions, and what they're getting by way of transit or aspects between, to get a bigger picture of where you're at right now.
My progressed moon is in Libra. It's been there for a year now. I'm not sure about SA Moon. I know that you were talking to someone else, but Sun is in the 6th, and Leo is my MC. I'm crocheting to have something to focus on - I've just started again. It helps to keep me right here, rather than having my brain race off to something worrying. I'm hoping that it will ease me into other things I used to do. IP: Logged |
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posted August 11, 2012 06:20 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[b]The Mars/SAturn conjunction isn`t making any hard aspects to my natal chart. (unless we count a 3 degree square to my Vertex on 21 Cancer)However it has a minor hard aspect, a semisquare to my Neptune/NN conjunction which is currently conjunct SA Uranus.
That's a sizable conjunction. It's in Sagittarius right? Feel the effects of the t. nodes, Jupiter and Neptune?
I get this Mars and Saturn passing over my Pluto in the 4th. When it ends I'll have something to add to the Saturn/Pluto transit thread.[/B][/QUOTE]Yes, it`s in Sag. How would I feel the effects?
Interstingly, the Nodes, Jupiter and Neptune are in strong relationship to each other natally as well (Neptune conjunct NOde, square Jupiter, and the aspects are only one degree of orb), so the current transits are like a reflection of that natal image, electrified by SA Uranus probably.
Tr Jupiter happens to be on my SN.
I am having quite a introspective phase, very vivid dreams, though not of the happy variety (more of the Mars/Pluto/Neptune-variety. lol). At least I stopped dreaming of dead people.
I definitely feel like my subconsciousness is processing something, something very very old, an old wound probably I am not having conscious grasp on (Chiron is square Vertex and both are sesisquare my Mars - the current Mars/Saturn conjunction is opposing my Chiron by 4 degrees, but it is separating, so it is actually in the past).
It is an important phase in my life, though I couldnīt really describe it in practical terms.
Something else happened that shockingly suddenly made me aware of how I am "integrated" in the flow of life, and how being affected by things or rather people does not always only flow one way (they affecting me), but that I am actually not really invisible, even though I like to think so most of the time.
Not sure how to process that new kind of insight. lol IP: Logged |
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posted August 11, 2012 09:01 AM
This Mars Saturn conjunction will be sitting on the cusp of my 8th house, where my Neptune is natally. I can see things of a sexual nature coming to a head.On the plus side, this 3 planet interraction will be sextiling my Pluto in 6th house and my NN in 10th house, so I expect a breakthrough in work and career. God knows I need it. Let's report back after the transit and see how things worked out for each other. IP: Logged |
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posted August 11, 2012 09:57 AM
Nothing for me,not even in progressions...
But,Saturn is still over my H1 and as soon as tVenus hits my nVenus,I am expecting some Saturn conj Asc/sq MC Venus residue - in fact,I see it gearing up even now. Gawd,I can't wait for Pluto/Sat reception.
Been pondering over my chart,it turns out my 20s will be heavily Sat/Pluto.
Pluto conj nMoon,Moon progressing to Scorpio,then pMoon on nPluto,then Asc progressing to Scorpio.
Then,Sat over Merc,the strongest planet in my chart,then over Asc,squaring chart ruler.
Then I have more Pluto oppo nVenus,followed by lunar return and Saturn return.
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posted August 12, 2012 05:27 PM
Hi teasel I didn't know you were an Aries
You know the Mars/Saturn/Chiron opp is somewhat hard to take in terms of standing up for yourself, it can be pretty painful, has that been affected with t.Saturn esp, since it's been there a while? Any lessons there, harder, easier? There's been mention of relationship ending when Saturn is opp to Chiron, has this been the case for you? And Mars/Saturn opp Mercury, is there something weighing heavily on you that you need to find resolution for and can't wait for it to end, to just be done with it? I know you're pretty private so if you don't feel comfortable answering that's cool  And SA Moon you can find in the pull down on astro.com: Circular charts --> Prognostic methods (red) --> Progressions (blue) --> Natal, progressions, and solar arc combined*
Now if Sun is in Aries then at some point p. Libra Moon will be in opp, so that involves reorientation. Evaluating the course you've taken, and where you plan to go. My half brother is actually under this one right now (exact), and he was laid off from his job (sa MC conj Uranus, among others), so he's sorta left wondering what to do now. Govt cutbacks and all that. Has this passed for you or is it coming up? I'm checking mine right now, mine were opposed all the way back in 97 when P Moon was also sq T Pluto, you know what, I had an urge to contact my biological mother who I'd never met, felt that I needed to do that to put certain pieces of my past into context and move on; it helped a lot but I didn't get through it without ruffling a few feathers as I did end up surprising some folks (P Moon sq N Uranus too, since N Sun is sq Uranus).
And you mentioned the Mars/Saturn opp your Sun with it being MC ruler. MC is social standing/rep, direction you're heading in, ruler in the 6th tones down the course to routines and being of service (essentials but not glamorized or typically compensated in the way they deserve), so the opp is coming from Libra in your 12th. Saturn passing through 12th is a quiet meditative time anyway [I actually enjoyed that transit (when it wasn't making any hard aspects to the natal)]. Since opposed Sun rules Leo MC do you feel you should be in a higher standing in regards to public opinion than you currently are, status as in career or marriage, and you're left to contemplate the whys and wherefores of why that's not the case (I don't know your relationships/career status) ? Just thinking out loud.
I don't crochet but when I feel off balance I have to go organize something, it's strangely soothing so I get where you're coming from (SN in the 6th here). quote:
Agreed! Thank you.
So sweet, you're welcome. Ceri inspired me to write something after she mentioned the exaltation of Saturn in Libra which it seems every other astrologer on the net has forgotten about; definitely had me surprised in reading opinion pieces. They must think they all have to take a new tabloid angle on things to drum up readership forgetting that exaltation exists for a reason. I remember asking someone else on here if they were going to write on this conj and I got a big fat no, so I thought well why not me after I saw her mention it. Ceri's great she just needs to be enticed to post more often...and photos of hot celebs aren't the ticket so some brainstorming is in order here methinks  (!)***Edit, I missed your 1st reply in this thread so now I understand the Mars/Saturn on your Mercury and maybe even the Saturn/Chiron as well  IP: Logged | |
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