posted August 07, 2013 12:59 AM            

There's not much discussion on karmic aspects.

What aspects do u think show a karmic relationship/connection?

posted August 07, 2013 01:04 AM            

Saturn & personal planets

posted August 07, 2013 02:08 AM            

ooh that is strong karmic links again.Investigation is key when you feel that way. Trying to see your feelings through helps I think. And that is just it, the attraction, unease you can feel with certain others without reason or even the " I love you, I dont know why, but I love you." It might be harder to figure any of it out if you dont try. good luck Lunae!

posted August 07, 2013 02:13 AM            

But oh well, acceptance is the key. It didn't turn out the way I expected it to, but at least we're still good friends until now. Haha

posted August 07, 2013 07:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Saturn the ol' man.
Never fails.

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Can you give us more insight Doux?
We always go on and on about how Saturn is a pain in the *** but I was wondering what of the Saturn person is the one who suffers?

posted August 07, 2013 07:45 AM            

Again, in synastry, it depends on the planet making the aspect to Saturn.

With the Sun - it touches our "self", our ego, the way we "are" fundamentally.. so a hard aspect here can create some insecurity because the Sun person may feel criticized or like they're not good enough.
On the good side: Saturn can support the Sun, boost their ego in a realistic, practical way - not by building a false sense of importance, but by actually showing them what they need to do in order to become a "better" individual. A lot of loyalty here, too; but sometimes too oppressive.

With the Moon, there's a sense of "need"..
You get clingy, needy, all your abandonment fears are triggered by a hard aspect, the Saturn person unconsciously represents a parent that was distant / absent and the Moon person feels the need to "prove" themselves to them and "attract" them so that they can feel like they've finally won the affection of a parent (through a lover).
It does bring up a lot of childhood issues and most people who are attracted to Moon / Saturn hard aspects in synastry usually have some sort of issue regarding their parental relationship (here the karma is to work those issues out with a partner - that's the way I see it).

Venus - self-worth, love, affection, values.
Saturn restricts all that, builds defenses, doesn't give Venus the love & appreciation she needs.. Usually, if both people have feelings for each other, somehing's in the way of their being together - another relationship, a third party, a job, distance, insecurities..
On the good side, it can give a very stable, safe "love" that endures - Saturn stabilizes the flirty Venus and gives her structure, hopefully without being a je*k in the process.

Mercury - you guessed it, it's about communication. This one for some reason is usually *really* hard to deal with.
Both people censor themselves with each other and communication becomes difficult or barely existent. Mercury can feel judged, criticized and put down for their "lack of intelligence".
Again, positive manifestation: structure, organised ideas, very well for working on something that requires analysis or mental work.

Mars - Ehh that one is tricky, there are tons of threads about it because it's so often found in couples or people who are attracted to one another - there are some obstacles in the way with this one, usually because of the Saturn's insecurity - the Mars person triggers all kinds of self-esteem issues in them and may scare them, but Saturn doesn't want to show its vulnerable side so he just ignores Mars, or criticizes him. A lot of tension can be created but that's mainly because of Saturn's fears concerning intimate relationships.

posted August 07, 2013 07:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
From experience, Saturn always brings issues.
There is always some sort of struggle with Saturn.
Doesn't mean it's bad or doomed, but it does mean you're forced to move out of your comfort zone and be mature and act responsibly..
You can't fool Saturn.
You can't get away with it, because if you wanna play the smart-a$$ with the ol' man, he'll just make you suffer.

Again, in synastry, it depends on the planet making the aspect to Saturn.

With the Sun - it touches our "self", our ego, the way we "are" fundamentally.. so a hard aspect here can create some insecurity because the Sun person may feel criticized or like they're not good enough.
On the good side: Saturn can support the Sun, boost their ego in a realistic, practical way - not by building a false sense of importance, but by actually showing them what they need to do in order to become a "better" individual. A lot of loyalty here, too; but sometimes too oppressive.

With the Moon, there's a sense of "need"..
You get clingy, needy, all your abandonment fears are triggered by a hard aspect, the Saturn person unconsciously represents a parent that was distant / absent and the Moon person feels the need to "prove" themselves to them and "attract" them so that they can feel like they've finally won the affection of a parent (through a lover).
It does bring up a lot of childhood issues and most people who are attracted to Moon / Saturn hard aspects in synastry usually have some sort of issue regarding their parental relationship (here the karma is to work those issues out with a partner - that's the way I see it).

Venus - self-worth, love, affection, values.
Saturn restricts all that, builds defenses, doesn't give Venus the love & appreciation she needs.. Usually, if both people have feelings for each other, somehing's in the way of their being together - another relationship, a third party, a job, distance, insecurities..
On the good side, it can give a very stable, safe "love" that endures - Saturn stabilizes the flirty Venus and gives her structure, hopefully without being a je*k in the process.

Mercury - you guessed it, it's about communication. This one for some reason is usually *really* hard to deal with.
Both people censor themselves with each other and communication becomes difficult or barely existent. Mercury can feel judged, criticized and put down for their "lack of intelligence".
Again, positive manifestation: structure, organised ideas, very well for working on something that requires analysis or mental work.

Mars - Ehh that one is tricky, there are tons of threads about it because it's so often found in couples or people who are attracted to one another - there are some obstacles in the way with this one, usually because of the Saturn's insecurity - the Mars person triggers all kinds of self-esteem issues in them and may scare them, but Saturn doesn't want to show its vulnerable side so he just ignores Mars, or criticizes him. A lot of tension can be created but that's mainly because of Saturn's fears concerning intimate relationships.

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Thanks so much for all this input Doux!
So far I have experienced the Sun opposition Saturn in synastry, me being the Saturn but I really felt like I wasnt good enough for the other person although I was the Saturn I felt insecure etc and wanted so badly to be accepted by the Sun.

posted August 07, 2013 07:55 AM            

But something weird I noticed, and I'm not sure it works that way all the time, but when Saturn retreats (if he does), the personal planet person tends to feel it quite strongly, and may actually suffer from Saturn's "absence" (be it physical or emotional).

But usually it goes both ways and there can be frustration, neediness and resentment - because you feel like you want / need something and aren't getting it.

So complex dynamics are often created with hard Saturn aspects, whith both people (sometimes secretly) blaming each other, and yet without showing it.. "Go to hell!" they might think. "I showed you I cared! You didn't react, now you can go scre* yourself".
Thing is, when both people are unaware of what's going on, it's very hard to make the first move and *tell* the other about your feelings.
So both end up resenting each other for stupid reasons - ego, insecurity.. pride.

posted August 07, 2013 08:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Usually, the Saturn person is attracted to the personal planet person, at least initially.

But something weird I noticed, and I'm not sure it works that way all the time, but when Saturn retreats (if he does), the personal planet person tends to feel it quite strongly, and may actually suffer from Saturn's "absence" (be it physical or emotional).

But usually it goes both ways and there can be frustration, neediness and resentment - because you feel like you want / need something and aren't getting it.

So complex dynamics are often created with hard Saturn aspects, whith both people (sometimes secretly) blaming each other, and yet without showing it.. "Go to hell!" they might think. "I showed you I cared! You didn't react, now you can go scre* yourself".
Thing is, when both people are unaware of what's going on, it's very hard to make the first move and *tell* the other about your feelings.
So both end up resenting each other for stupid reasons - ego, insecurity.. pride.

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Hopefully that makes sense.

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Perfect analysis, exactly what I'm going through right now.
It has also happened to me to be the Sun and I remembered I admired and wanted so badly to be accepted by the Saturn.

posted August 07, 2013 08:05 AM            

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Originally posted by magicspells:
what about the asc in karmic connections?

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It's significant also, but the tighter the orb, the stronger the "pull" and "karmic" vibe.
It's a bit similar to the Sun / Saturn dynamic in that one of the people may feel like they can't be themselves around the other - like they have to "act" a certain way - mature, responsible, serious, smart, etc.
It can bind people (although maybe less strongly than with Saturn / DSC) but is usally very oppressive for the ASC person (sometimes for the Saturn person).

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its_aqua,

Saturn is the one who's insecure.
That's why he becomes aloof or distant, resents or criticizes the personal planet person.

posted August 07, 2013 08:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Note: as usual, Saturn is *generally* the one who experiences some internal conflict and acts weird, but the personal planet person can feel the tension in themselves too, so it can really go both ways.

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All these months Saturn was acting up criticising the Sun person and acting cool like " i dont care for this person they are so stupid etc etc"
And I dont know lately it just hit me again and I was like why Ive been acting like that?