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Topic: God's natal chart
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Kerosene
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From: Mercury
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posted October 28, 2013 12:38 AM
  
So how could I be libra on mars and a sag on venuswhen my heliocentric Mars is actually in Pisces
and my Heliocentric Venus is in Taurus. ? Idk LOL...
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Mercurian Intellect
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posted October 28, 2013 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
So how could I be libra on mars and a sag on venuswhen my heliocentric Mars is actually in Pisces
and my Heliocentric Venus is in Taurus. ? Idk LOL...
Okay, tell me your Tropical Mars and Venus placements and I'll tell you what Sun sign you would be on Mars and Venus. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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posted October 28, 2013 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
[b] Yes, you are right  I asked because I thought you might have been explaining it to me as if what I said to SSS and you was wrong about the Venus and Mars thing.
So who is right about the Venus and Mars thing?[/B][/QUOTE]Both of us I believe, unless I got Kero's placements wrong, lol. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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posted October 28, 2013 12:44 AM
So our geocentric charts are the true positions of the planets in the solar system?based on the Sun and not the Earth? So why are the placements for mars and venus different in Heliocentric chart...? IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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posted October 28, 2013 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
So our geocentric charts are the true positions of the planets in the solar system?based on the Sun and not the Earth? So why are the placements for mars and venus different in Heliocentric chart...?
Yes, since we live on Earth. (Geocentric)
If we would live on the Sun, we would be the opposite signs. (Heliocentric) This applies to Earth only. As for Mars, Venus and the other planets, I'm not exactly sure how they would be determined if we were to live on the Sun, but they are different because it's based as the Sun is the center there, so it would change. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
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From: Mercury
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posted October 28, 2013 12:52 AM
Dude...
This is the heliocentric chart.This is the true position of the planets revolving around the sun the moment we were born.. So the opposite degree of venus and mars would determine our sun sign on those planets if we were born on the surface of those planets not earth!!
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Mercurian Intellect
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posted October 28, 2013 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Dude...
This is the heliocentric chart.This is the true position of the planets revolving around the sun the moment we were born.. So the opposite degree of venus and mars would determine our sun sign on those planets if we were born on the surface of those planets not earth!!
No, for us, the true positions are the Geocentric ones because we are born on Earth. If we were born on the Sun, the Heliocentric would be the true ones. When born on say Mars, Venus etc. Then it would be a different placements for the other planets than being born on Earth. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 4946
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted October 28, 2013 01:00 AM
Geocentric : constellations revolve around earthHeliocentric : constellations revolve around the sun Venicentric : constellations revolve around Venus Marcentric : constellations revolve around Mars.
ect, ect.
You could be a different sign on each planet. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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posted October 28, 2013 01:01 AM
^If born on Mars, let's dub the name Marscentric, will have different placements for the other planets than if born on Earth which is Geocentric.I pointed the arrow to my post. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted October 28, 2013 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
^If born on Mars, let's dub the name Marscentric, will have different placements for the other planets than if born on Earth which is Geocentric.
Yes we would have different signs. How do you know what they are? If you are on Mars and the sun is in a sign, what sign is it in from Mars pov? Is it a matter of picking Mars out of the geocentric chart and looking at the opposite sign? If so, then how do you figure out where all the other planets are if you were on Mars? IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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posted October 28, 2013 01:05 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Yes we would have different signs. How do you know what they are? If you are on Mars and the sun is in a sign, what sign is it in from Mars pov? Is it a matter of picking Mars out of the geocentric chart and looking at the opposite sign? If so, then how do you figure out where all the other planets are if you were on Mars?
Yeah the other planets, that's the thing I'm not sure of where they would be. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted October 28, 2013 01:05 AM
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Yeah the other planets, that's the thing I'm not sure of where they would be.
Are you sure where the sun would be? There would be two Martian moons. Why would the sun on Venus or Mars be opposite where these two planets are in a geocentric chart? Is the sun always opposite Venus and Mars in your chart? IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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posted October 28, 2013 01:08 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Are you sure where the sun would be? There would be two Martian moons.
Yes, I'm sure about the Sun. Okay, so you are a Sagittarius Mars.
If born on Mars, your Heliocentric planet is Mars in Sagittarius, but your Marcentric placement for the Sun is Gemini. Get what I mean? IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 6608
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted October 28, 2013 01:11 AM
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
If we were born on the Sun, the Heliocentric would be the true ones.When born on say Mars, Venus etc. Then it would be a different placements for the other planets than being born on Earth.
So why is the opposite placement of heliocentric Earth our EARTH sun sign, it's the same degree too 
9 degrees Gemini. So If I was born on the surface of planet Mars the same moment the opposite placement of our heliocentric mars would not determine our MARTIAN SUN SIGN?
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted October 28, 2013 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Yes, I'm sure about the Sun.Okay, so you are a Sagittarius Mars.
If born on Mars, your Heliocentric planet is Mars in Sagittarius, but your Marcentric placement for the Sun is Gemini. Get what I mean?
I think I get it now lol. When Mars revolves around the sun it's in Sagittarius but when the sun revolves around Mars it's in Gemini duh. That makes me a Leo on Mars  IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
Knowflake Posts: 1740
From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets somehow.
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posted October 28, 2013 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
So why is the opposite placement of heliocentric Earth our EARTH sun sign, it's the same degree too
9 degrees Gemini.So If I was born on the surface of planet Mars the same moment the opposite placement of our heliocentric mars would not determine our [b]MARTIAN SUN SIGN?[/B]
Yes, on Geocentric, our Earth and Sun will be the same degrees but directly opposite from each other. So in Heliocentric from living on Earth, you are a Sagittarius Earth. But on Mars, your Sun sign will be the opposite of your Mars sign.
What are your Mars and Venus Tropically? IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
Knowflake Posts: 1740
From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets somehow.
Registered: Sep 2013
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posted October 28, 2013 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I think I get it now lol. When Mars revolves around the sun it's in Sagittarius but when the sun revolves around Mars it's in Gemini duh. That makes me a Leo on Mars
No, I think I might be confusing you two, or wrong, or I'm misunderstanding what you two are trying to say, lol. Can we just drop it! We aren't born there anyway! lol. IP: Logged |
Kerosene
Knowflake Posts: 6608
From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted October 28, 2013 01:21 AM
Aries and Gemini.
I'm so confused too I don't anything any more.I need to read up on astronomy.. or something. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted October 28, 2013 01:22 AM
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
No, I think I might be confusing you two, or wrong, or I'm misunderstanding what you two are trying to say, lol.Can we just drop it! We aren't born there anyway! lol.
Well I can journey on the astral plane and be on Mars and there's molecules It's easy to understand if I use Heliocentric Tropical, Mars is at 4 degrees Aqua on the day I was born. Standing on the surface of the sun, Mars would be in Aqua, so from Mar's perspective, the sun is in Leo. And what about bosons? I wonder what sign a boson might be  IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets somehow.
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posted October 28, 2013 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Well I can journey on the astral plane and be on Mars and there's molecules It's easy to understand if I use Heliocentric Tropical, Mars is at 4 degrees Aqua on the day I was born. Standing on the surface of the sun, Mars would be in Aqua, so from Mar's perspective, the sun is in Leo.
Oh, that's where you got Leo from. I meant if we were born on Mars, that would be our Earth equivalent while the Sun will be the Sun no matter what. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
Knowflake Posts: 1740
From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets somehow.
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posted October 28, 2013 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Aries and Gemini.
I'm so confused too I don't anything any more.I need to read up on astronomy.. or something.
Yeah, let's change the topic to the OP or go do that zodiac paring picture thing, that was pretty fun IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets somehow.
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posted October 28, 2013 01:28 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
And what about bosons? I wonder what sign a boson might be
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Kerosene
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From: Mercury
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted October 28, 2013 01:28 AM
SSS
Exactly that's what I was thinking!!
because the planets revolve around the sun not the earth!
So our geocentric placements are based on the planets (venus,mars) around earth. what we see in the sky!if we lived on mars, earth and venus would be in different signs but our martian sun sign would be based on the heliocentric system. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted October 28, 2013 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
Oh, that's where you got Leo from.I meant if we were born on Mars, that would be our Earth equivalent while the Sun will be the Sun no matter what.
Okay if you were born on Mars you would use that planet as your homebase and everything would be Marcentric instead of geocentric. I forgot to mention I am geocentric tropical Mars in Sagittarius. Heliocentric tropical is a different matter. There, Mars is in Aquarius and since I need to know the perspective from the sun's surface to know where the sun is when I am standing on Mars, then I would use Heliocentric and refer to Mars' opposite sign. IP: Logged |
Mercurian Intellect
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From: Vulcan & Mercury. Yes, I was born on both planets somehow.
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posted October 28, 2013 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by Kerosene:
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Exactly that's what I was thinking!!
because the planets revolve around the sun not the earth!
So our geocentric placements are based on the planets (venus,mars) around earth.if we lived on mars, earth and venus would be in different signs but our martian sun sign would be based on the heliocentric system.
Yeah, exactly what I was thinking and trying to say too, lol. Okay, we're all on agreement now, lol. IP: Logged |
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