posted January 22, 2014 04:58 PM            

Her Trop Sun Libra 23,15’,29” conjunct his Draco Sun Libra 23,15’,43”
Her Trop Venus Sagittarius 8, 23’ conjunct his Draco Venus Sagittarius 7, 37’

Her Draco Sun 22,17’ sextile his Tropical Sun 22,24’

Are sextiles allowed in Draconics if the aspect is tight, as this one is?

This man felt instantly familiar to me on first meeting. He reminds me of myself. Would he also feel this with the Sun conjunction being so tight? Really trying to figure out who feels what and at what level of consciousness… This ‘relationship’ is on/off, we always end up back in touch (lots of Moon/Saturn). Really need to let go of him but its impossible. Heaven/hell. Lots of fatedness felt here, due probably to the following…

Her Draco Saturn 3,47’ conjunct his Trop Karma 3,17’ Libra

In Tropical synastry:

DW - Her Karma trine his Saturn, 0. Her Saturn square his Karma, 1

DW - Her Karma square his Pluto, 1. His Pluto conjunct (Libra) her Karma, 1

(Also Karma linked to Sun, Saturn, Mars and Pluto in Draconic synastry)

Would Venus conjunct Amor dw, 0 & 2 explain complete forgiveness of each others crap behaviour? (mostly his).

Please share!

posted January 23, 2014 05:58 PM            

I also don’t have his tob. Your orbs are also tight, like ours. I am definitely thinking that both people are feeling the pull here. I doubt you’re reading into things that aren’t there. The logical mind isn’t supposed to understand this stuff anyway : ) That’s the scary part of it. Do you trust your head or your heart? My head says no, soul says yes. I’m going with soul in future as head leads to fear and ego getting in the way.

Interesting you say a younger version of yourself. Mine is 7 years younger, he is Pisces Sun. He must feel comfortable with the eye contact with you or he wouldn’t be able to do it. I’m only looking into Draco now to try and help explain this connection. I strongly identify with the magnetic, intense pull. It was immediate. He said to me a week after we met ‘We’re made for each other’. Yes. It is very difficult to explain. Nobody in my entire life has ever affected me like this. Not even close. Not even my ex husband who I was with for 10 years. I felt all this and still do in the first few weeks of meeting him. I can’t make any sense of it, its very confusing. We met, got too close, too soon. It scared the hell out of us both. He ran first. We met again, he ran again, then I ran twice! At the moment he is gone. I give in to it now. I’ve tried just enjoying the peace when he goes but then I can still feel him and the intensity. I have no peace when he’s not around, its hell at times. One evening, when he hadn’t been in touch for 2 months, the intensity was so much that I said out loud, ‘stop it, stop thinking about me’. I thought I was going mad, I even drafted out a reply message to him on my phone in case he got in touch. What happened? He messaged me the following morning… Its like a telepathic link that never goes away.

In Tropical synastry we have Sun/Moon, Moon/Pluto, Venus/Mars, Moon/Mars, Venus/Jupiter. These are all dw’s so definitely felt mutually. Also Venus/Pluto dw minor aspects.

Have you looked at the Heliocentric charts at all? I found a few links which may be of interest for comparison.

My Helio Venus conjunct his Sun/Moon Midpoint, 1 deg
My Helio Moon opposite his Draco Sun, 7 mins
My Draco Moon conjunct his Helio Saturn, 1 deg
My Draco Moon conjunct his Helio Moon, 1 deg
My Draco Sun opposite his Helio Venus, 10 mins

posted January 25, 2014 11:46 AM            

I’m the same with mine, I assume because he’s younger that he is not as spiritually evolved as myself. This may or may not be true, idk. I just wish he would come the realisation that I have been forced to, that this ‘thing’ is undeniable. I always pay attention to signs from the universe, no matter how small they seem, I’m terrible! He is gone for now, its complicated. I have to work out what I want to do if he comes back yet again, without letting my ego get involved.

posted January 25, 2014 12:28 PM            

Strangely, for my husband and I, it's 7 and 13. Ours is 7, his ex-wife is 13 years his senior, my costar is 13 years my senior, and two soul-brothers (born same month, best friends of a decade) are 7 years my junior.

It's always meaningful. Especially the outer planet links, asteroids, and draconic, helio, and so on.

posted January 25, 2014 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Age gaps are always karmic. You can even find strange links to your childhood as to why certain gaps draw you most.

Strangely, for my husband and I, it's 7 and 13. Ours is 7, his ex-wife is 13 years his senior, my costar is 13 years my senior, and two soul-brothers (born same month, best friends of a decade) are 7 years my junior.

It's always meaningful. Especially the outer planet links, asteroids, and draconic, helio, and so on.

Bear in mind, too, those who are multiples of 4 will likely have several asteroid conjunctions. So it is with my Twinflame, who's 4 years my junior.

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Hi there thanks for sharing.

I agree there is always Karma. I am fascinated wherever there is an age difference between people.

The word 'twinflame' catches my attention. I have recently done extensive research on twinflames, due to the connection I talk about in this thread. I think this man may be my Twinflame. (I understand not many people get to meet their twinflame). If not, he is a Karmic Soulmate and I have great lessons to learn... I don't know which he is yet, will see what unfolds.

One of the 'signs' of twinflame that I keep reading about is the runner/chaser dynamic. Just wondered if you experienced this at all, the separation after meeting to clear Karma?

posted January 25, 2014 08:17 PM            

However when I looked at the synastry of the Draconics to natal, I found out that a LOT of Dr. planets were touching each other's venuses.

posted January 25, 2014 08:52 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
Age gaps are always karmic. You can even find strange links to your childhood as to why certain gaps draw you most.

Strangely, for my husband and I, it's 7 and 13. Ours is 7, his ex-wife is 13 years his senior, my costar is 13 years my senior, and two soul-brothers (born same month, best friends of a decade) are 7 years my junior.

It's always meaningful. Especially the outer planet links, asteroids, and draconic, helio, and so on.

Bear in mind, too, those who are multiples of 4 will likely have several asteroid conjunctions. So it is with my Twinflame, who's 4 years my junior.

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Thanks for sharing! I read that about multiples of four. Is it because of how long asteroids take to transit? Do you think it makes it less significant? Like outer planet to outer planet aspects with people close in age to yourself?

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Originally posted by Lunae:
I am (or think I am) experiencing this with someone ATM. He's two years younger than me. For a while now I've been trying to find out what in our synastry/composite made us click instantly. It looks as bland as hell on the outside, seriously. The only thing that made sense there is the NN-sun connection and the fact that our moons both trine our stelliums. Other than that, it doesn't really explain why we have such close relationship with each other. From the moment we met I guess we connected on a different level than anyone else.

However when I looked at the synastry of the Draconics to natal, I found out that a LOT of Dr. planets were touching each other's venuses.

There were important connections with Karma and the nodes too. His Dr. Karma conjunct my ascendant, Dr. Saturn conj my SN. My Dr. sun conj his Karma, Dr. karma opposite his venus.

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If I remember correctly tropical karma conjunct ascendant is a soulmate aspect. I don't know what it means with Draco to tropical. I would look more into the saturn/SN too.

posted January 25, 2014 09:52 PM            

Here are the aspects that I find very significant (I only included the tight aspects-- orb of 3 max)

His Draco planets to my natal:

Dr. Moon sextile venus
Dr. Mercury sextile venus
Dr. Mars square venus
Dr. Jupiter opposite venus
Dr. Uranus trine venus
Dr. Pluto opposite venus
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Dr. Saturn conj SN
Dr. Venus sextile SN
Dr. Karma conj asc

My Draco planets to his natal:

Dr. Sun square venus
Dr. mercury sextile venus
Dr. mars square venus
Dr. Pluto square venus
Dr. Karma opp venus
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Dr. sun conj karma
Dr. Saturn conj sun

posted January 25, 2014 10:28 PM            

I look at our charts and find that our dr. planets make lots of contacts with each other's tr. planets. In tr. synastry, karma makes contacts with personal planets as well.

The aspects are

His dr. Sun conjunct my tr. vertex
dr. Moon oppose tr. NN n Saturn
dr. venus/mars conjunct tr. Jupiter
dr. Jupiter conjunct tr. mercury
dr. saturn oppose tr. moon and square venus/neptune
dr. sun trine uranus

My dr. Sun oppose his tr. moon and vertex
dr. moon trine tr. sun, square tr. mars, conjunct tr. chiron, oppose tr. uranus
dr. venus oppose tr. mars
dr. saturn oppose tr. venus
dr. neptune square tr. uranus n chiron

tropical synastry: karma oppose venus, trine saturn, conj mercury.

We apparently had a brief "encounter" when he was 13 n I was 8. At first I was skeptical n doubtful that said encounter even took place. But after some digging, there are evidences that it did.

posted January 25, 2014 10:39 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Interesting thread.

I look at our charts and find that our dr. planets make lots of contacts with each other's tr. planets. In tr. synastry, karma makes contacts with personal planets as well.

The tightest aspects are:

His dr. Sun conjunct my tr. vertex
dr. Moon oppose tr. NN n Saturn
dr. venus/mars conjunct tr. Jupiter
dr. Jupiter conjunct tr. mercury
dr. saturn oppose tr. moon and square venus/neptune
dr. sun trine uranus

My dr. Sun oppose his tr. moon and vertex
dr. moon trine tr. sun, square tr. mars, conjunct tr. chiron
dr. venus oppose tr. mars
dr. saturn oppose tr. venus

tropical synastry: karma oppose venus, trine saturn, conj mercury.

We apparently had a brief "encounter" when he was 13 n I was 8. At first I was skeptical n doubtful that said encounter even took place. But after some digging, there are evidences that it did.

Years later we met on foreign land. Heh it's cute and slightly spooky lol

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posted January 25, 2014 10:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
In the tropical, my sun conj his NN, Karma opp karma. My Scorp stellium trines his Pisces/Aries stellium. Other than that.. that's about it. lol

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I find it pretty magnetizing when I have planets or points conjunct someone else's NN, but not so much when it's my NN. Planets conjunct the NN are supposed to be significant, but possibly uncomfortable for the NN person. Do you make him uncomfortable?

posted January 25, 2014 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
Wow! You have some interesting contacts. I read that conjunctions between draconic/draconic and draconic/tropical are prevalent between soulmates and family members. Important people in our lives will not only connect with our own draconic charts, but their planets will make contacts with that of our respective family members as well. It's true in my case.

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Thank you, this is really interesting n cool to know. It's true for me as well. After I read your post I looked at the charts with our paretns and found that there are many connections. Ascendants conjunct descendants, squares, conjunctions and oppositions galore, contacts between karma n personal planets n angles.

posted January 25, 2014 11:44 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Thank you, this is really interesting n cool to know. It's true for me as well. After I read your post I looked at the charts with our paretns and found that there are many connections. Ascendants conjunct descendants, squares, conjunctions and oppositions galore, contacts between karma n personal planets n angles.

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posted January 27, 2014 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
I am (or think I am) experiencing this with someone ATM. He's two years younger than me. For a while now I've been trying to find out what in our synastry/composite made us click instantly. It looks as bland as hell on the outside, seriously. The only thing that made sense there is the NN-sun connection and the fact that our moons both trine our stelliums. Other than that, it doesn't really explain why we have such close relationship with each other. From the moment we met I guess we connected on a different level than anyone else.

However when I looked at the synastry of the Draconics to natal, I found out that a LOT of Dr. planets were touching each other's venuses.

There were important connections with Karma and the nodes too. His Dr. Karma conjunct my ascendant, Dr. Saturn conj my SN. My Dr. sun conj his Karma, Dr. karma opposite his venus.

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Hi Lunae

I like how you put (or think I am). Its as though we are never quite sure what is going on isn’t it? : )

I definitely think Draconic to Natal connections explain some of this ‘stuff’. Karma and Saturn does have a lot of weight and ‘pull’. Do you have any Pluto connections with him?

posted January 27, 2014 04:54 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
What made me realize he was the doorway person?

The day we first met, I was dropping off a gift for an event a family member was participating in. This guy is a friend of my family who was there to provide a service for the same event. He has been consistently doing this particular thing for my family for maybe over 8 years. I lost contact with my family from the period surrounding that event, but when I reconnected with them, I would always hear them talk about him for what he does, and they've even recommend him to me. One night, my family was playfully bashing him for always being unavailable, and it hit me! I thought to myself, "OMG! This is that guy who gave me butterflies!" I couldn't believe I didn't put it together sooner. I actually forgot about that day. My attraction to him was always immediate even when we reconnected. I tried to ignore it since he was so much younger. I felt predatory =)! Our age gap was also the reason I never gave much thought to our initial meeting; it made me just want to ignore it! Even though I know it isn't as huge a deal as I make it out to be, my cap moon, and saturn trine my sun/ascendant makes me feel and act a whole lot older than I am! When I did make that realization, I opened myself to the possibilities because there was too much to ignore. I guess in a sense ignoring it was my way of running away. I don't know about twin flames, but I don't need anyone to tell me that he's a karmic soulmate. I think my male best friend with the Pisces moon is also a soulmate (my vertex conjuncts his ascendant and NN). He's older than me (6years). Maybe we should email, I could give you the synastry between us to compare. I seem to draw these kinds of relationships to me. My natal vertex is conjunct the ruler of my descendant in my 5th house. I read this placement draws fated relationships. It's really important to have a good grasp on your own natal chart.

Before I get into the Helios, I just wanna mention a few things about our tropical aspects:

My tropical sun is quincunx his pluto (0).

An interpretation from the internet says:
"A Sun quincunx Pluto aspect indicates that a twist of fate may bring you together into what will be a intense relationship and that fate has the potential to take someone or something dear to you away. Your experience will transform you both, but leave you feeling frustrated but can bring you even closer together."

The reason I reconnected with my family after four years was because one of my family members was in hospice condition. Prior to the 4 year absence, I spent LOTS of time with the person passing away. What is frustrating at this point is that my guy's presence has had a tremendous impact on me, but there's not much I can do about it. Divorcing, so I can change that will be frustrating, but that is the only thing that will bring us together. Too much to be coincidence, right?

My venus is at the end of my 11th house (the natural house of aquarius), so this suggests I meet my significant others through groups and friends. There was indeed a huge group of family and friends always around and we eventually met because he's a friend of the family. On top of that, his sun/NN is in aqua.

I was never romantically in love with my husband, and I've never been misleading about it. I have even told him that in the most straightforward and downright mean ways before and after we were married. I hate the person I am with him. His response to this is infuriating for me. He tells me, "so what, too bad, we're already married and there's nothing you can do about it." Who wants to stay with someone who tells you they don't have romantic love for you? It's crazy! It's not that I don't care about him, but I don't want to be his wife. Unfortunately, soulmate connections aren't always meant to last. It's about soul growth. After how I've described my husband, you may be quite surprised to learn that we actually have a Darco/tropical sun/moon conjunction.

His tropical sun overlays my Draco 7th house
conjuncts my Draco Juno (0), and Draco moon (2).
His Draco jupiter conjuncts my tropical sun/ascendant (2,3)
His Draco mercury conjuncts my tropical sun/ascendant (0,1)
His Draco pluto conjunct my tropical amor (0)
His Draco Nessus conjuncts my tropical sun/moon midpoint (a degree or less)

His Draco sun conjuncts my Draco IC (1)
His Draco venus conjuncts my Draco saturn (0)
His Draco vertex conjuncts my Draco vertex (0)
My Draco mars is conjunct his Draco pluto (1)
His Draco Juno is conjunct my Draco pluto (2)
My Draco Juno is conjunct his Draco descendant (3)
My Draco jupiter conjuncts his Draco vertex (1)
His Draco destinn conjuncts my Draco descendant (2)

We were meant to be married. Our south node placements respectively describes our roles in each other's lives, but I think we've learned our karmic lessons and it's time to move on. At this point in our lives, we are blocking each other from developing our NN.

Tropical:
My husbands venus overlays my 5th house, conjuncts the ruler of my descendant (1) and my vertex (0).
Our suns are square (5)
Our moons are square (1)

His tropical sun is in my tropical 4th house
My valentine conjuncts his amor (0)
My Nessus conjunct his Nessus (1)
My Nessus conjunct his NN (3)
His Nessus conjunct his NN (1)

Back to my friend:
I'm not too familiar with helio charts and what the rules on aspects are, but as far as helio to helio goes we have

Our moons trine (0)
My moon quincunx his saturn and pluto (0,1)
My mercury trine his venus (1)
His mercury conjunct my mars (1)
My venus square his mars (2)
My venus trine his jupiter (3)
My venus sextile his neptune (0)
His venus trine my neptune (2)
My venus trine his pluto (3)
His venus sextile my pluto (2)
My mars trine his jupiter (3)
My mars sextile his neptune (0)
My mars conjunct his pluto (2)

Our saturns are square (3)
Our jupiters are trine (0)

His Juno conjuncts my jupiter (4 wide)
(Seems a pattern as my natal juno opposite his jupiter (4))
His Juno conjunct my eros (0)
My Juno trine his venus (1)

His Isis/destinn conjunct my mercury/Juno/Osiris (0,0,1)

His valentine conjunct my pluto (0)
His valentine trine my amor (0)
My valentine trine his destinn (0)
My valentine trine his venus (3)

helio to tropical:

His moon only sextiles my sun/ascendant (1,0)
My moon sextiles his sun/NN (0,1)

Not strong aspects, but at least it's a DW. Maybe it has more significance since my helio moon conjuncts my tropical descendant (0), and his helio moon is conjunct his tropical SN (0). The fact that these planets touch so closely at all has to mean something.

His helio mars opposite my tropical mercury (my chart ruler) (2)
His helio Juno conjunct my natal vertex (1)

Helio to Draco:

My helio moon is in a trine sign to his Draco moon can't say if it's actually trine without his TOB.

His helio venus is opposite my Draco mercury (2)
My helio mercury conjunct his Draco pluto (1)
His helio venus quincunx my Draco venus (0)

That's what stands out so far...

I look a bit closer later.

I really have to learn to post charts.

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But you didn’t forget about that day did you? It came back to you : ) Yes you eventually have to start asking questions when ‘things’ can’t be blocked out. That's what happening with me. I have never not been able to let go of someone before. Its the most weird thing ever.
I agree that soulmates aren’t always meant to last, we learn what we need to learn, then that’s it. The Draco/Tropical connections with your husband are significant, but maybe these connections have served their purpose.

Its good to see the Tropical/Draco/Helio interconnecting. It all adds to the mystery. If there weren't links between them all then i don't think it would be as deep. I’m hoping to get more of a grasp on the Draco & Helio stuff to try and help explain what I do not understand : )

Whats your take on Nessus? Ami Ann on here has really good info on it.

posted January 27, 2014 05:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Well, there's a possibility of being soul mates. I think there is really more than what's on the surface. I met this person for a reason. We've been in the same school for years, we have a lot of common friends and yet, we never knew each other. Our meeting was definitely something.

Here are the aspects that I find very significant (I only included the tight aspects-- orb of 3 max)

His Draco planets to my natal:

Dr. Moon sextile venus
Dr. Mercury sextile venus
Dr. Mars square venus
Dr. Jupiter opposite venus
Dr. Uranus trine venus
Dr. Pluto opposite venus
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Dr. Saturn conj SN
Dr. Venus sextile SN
Dr. Karma conj asc

My Draco planets to his natal:

Dr. Sun square venus
Dr. mercury sextile venus
Dr. mars square venus
Dr. Pluto square venus
Dr. Karma opp venus
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Dr. sun conj karma
Dr. Saturn conj sun

Out of all the planets, venus has the most number of aspects. I think that's something noteable.

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I agree Venus is significant here. Its funny how you didn't meet each other sooner isn't it.
With my person, we met officially online first. But we had both seen each other before and remembered each other. I had walked past him on the street and remembered him mainly as he is very tall 6'6 but he did stand out to me and I remembered he had a red jacket on. I've never remembered anybody from the street before! He had seen me and even told me I was wearing a blue jacket, which I was. Also we have lived in the next street to each twice and not known. I don't know how we didn't meet before, like you with yours. Its so weird : )

posted January 27, 2014 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Interesting thread.

I look at our charts and find that our dr. planets make lots of contacts with each other's tr. planets. In tr. synastry, karma makes contacts with personal planets as well.

The aspects are

His dr. Sun conjunct my tr. vertex
dr. Moon oppose tr. NN n Saturn
dr. venus/mars conjunct tr. Jupiter
dr. Jupiter conjunct tr. mercury
dr. saturn oppose tr. moon and square venus/neptune
dr. sun trine uranus

My dr. Sun oppose his tr. moon and vertex
dr. moon trine tr. sun, square tr. mars, conjunct tr. chiron, oppose tr. uranus
dr. venus oppose tr. mars
dr. saturn oppose tr. venus
dr. neptune square tr. uranus n chiron

tropical synastry: karma oppose venus, trine saturn, conj mercury.

We apparently had a brief "encounter" when he was 13 n I was 8. At first I was skeptical n doubtful that said encounter even took place. But after some digging, there are evidences that it did.

Years later we met on foreign land. Heh it's cute and slightly spooky lol

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posted January 27, 2014 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by ReachingForTheStars:
Hey Deluded!

I just realized that if your guy's pluto conjuncts your sun too, it makes he and I around the same age! We both have cap moons, I have Draco sun/ascendant in Pisces, he's a Pisces sun. You and I have interchanged node signs. Maybe we are supposed to help each other! My Draco moon is in virgo - I'm detail oriented! Wait!! So, your neptune is in sag too, like mine is, n if it's in your 7th house, like mine is, that makes you a gem rising just like me!!! Or you could be a late Taurus? So, are your nodes in the 2nd-8th house axis like mine is?

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He's 33. I think we are yes : )My Draco Moon is also in Virgo. My Draco Sun is Capricorn. I've just noticed my Draco Vertex is Capricorn so its conjunct his Moon and yours as well.