posted May 23, 2014 07:13 AM            

Does anybody have any guesses as to what Bill Paxton's Ascendant might be?

He's a TAURUS with either a Pisces or Aries moon and I can see the Texan Taurus very clearly - but not a clear ASC. He doesn't seem quite an Aries Moon but I can't tell with his Aries Venus (and possibly projecting with my own Pisces Moon).
Anything after Libra for ASC should make it an Aries Moon (afternoon times), should that help.
http://www.aveleyman.com/ActorCredit.aspx?ActorID=13537

Pics. Younger first (dorky roles), more recent below.

No, I don't know either. It's from http://pdxretro.com/2013/05/bill-paston-has-turned-58/

Chet in Weird Science.

posted May 23, 2014 07:31 AM            

INTERVIEWS for how he seems at times:

Cute interactions with Kevin Costner. http://youtu.be/wN5rbVffH9Y?t=1m5s

Shanghai Calling interview. http://youtu.be/xLF8QEok3SQ

This one spoilers Agents of SHIELD 1x16 onward, after the Edge of Tomorrow movie talk first. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPy-IrBH5kE

Actor in among other things Aliens, Titanic, Twister, Apollo 13, True Lies, Tombstone, U-571, Predator 2, Mighty Joe Young, Near Dark, Weird Science and plenty of other successful, blockbuster things and the less successful so. Seen latest on TV as Agent Garrett in Agents of SHIELD, before that best known or longest TV role was the polygamous Bill Henrickson of Big Love.

posted May 23, 2014 07:42 AM            

leave out only half the signs and even there you're welcome to disagree if know a lot about this stuff. I had Leo in mind from something, with other possibilities ranging from Cancer, Libra, Sagittarius and Aquarius to finally considering if he'd be a double Taurus. Cancer's winning out a lot with the Leo, but wouldn't know.

Pisces seemed to bring rounder faces when saw a thread about those (Paul McCartney & whoever), and he doesn't seem like that much of an Aries type to me nor Gemini (Mercury and Mars are in Gemini) by features. He didn't give Virgo vibes to me and Capricorn seemed to likewise make it too much of an Earth-thing for it all? The eyes and intensity-levels don't say Scorpio to me even when he's playing psychos, but what do you think?

posted May 23, 2014 08:04 AM            

Someone talked about the Fixed signs having the jaw-thing going on so considered some Leo for that and his career, but Cancer could fit in nicely with some later facial roundness and seeming happy on home-fronts (while that's Taurus as well, I know) or something.

posted May 23, 2014 08:15 AM            

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A Taurus with Taurus ASC, too?

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posted May 23, 2014 02:18 PM            

His Mercury/Mars in Gemini conjunction is nowhere to be found. Which I find very odd because Mars always shows itself up in the way a person projects themselves in interviews.

I see he also has Saturn and Pluto in opposition and square to his Sun(respectively).

It's maybe the Pluto in my 5th that makes me go GAGA over him. He may not have the conventional good looks -according to many- but I think he is flat out sexy.

posted May 23, 2014 07:02 PM            

He's not precisely my type but works at times (VERY hot at times, but mostly not?) - and is pretty adorable in some of the Hatfields & McCoys interviews with Costner out there. I prefer him in his more recent roles and loved him after that one thing happened in SHIELD (the spoiler), reckless young men rarely being my thing. I preferred Lance Henriksen to Paxton's blood-drinker in Near Dark, for example, but I haven't seen that in at least ten years either.

I didn't remember the Mars & Merc were conjunct, but that must've been because it was on the looser side. The Saturn was 9-10 degrees opposite Sun, right? I guess the heavy stuff could influence him some more to "hide" the Gem Mars & Merc a little. He does seem pretty subdued for a Gem-M-M in the few things glanced at so far though so thanks for pointing that out. I have Frailty but I haven't watched it so don't know how that'd show in his directing work either. It did get good reviews for being intelligent though. And I mean do NOT spoil yourself on its plot if you want to see it, it's that kind of smart.

My 5th cusp is Scorpio so I hear you on Pluto in 5th? Mine's in 4th, mutual reception with Moon in 8th. I'd have thought that he was considered conventionally just fine-looking though since he's been in all the big movies, too. (If you ask me, he has better features than some Ryan Gosling type who to me is "ugly" despite being lauded as Teh Hawt - but that's why they probably talk about no disputing tastes or whatever it is. )

I'm curious; he has Pluto in Leo, yours is in 5th, you think that plays any part with your thing? Or if you have something at your 23 Aries trine the Pluto?

posted May 23, 2014 07:18 PM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Lol, he kinda looks like my sister in the 1st pic. I think it might be Taurus.

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posted May 23, 2014 08:48 PM            

There was a site where people had pictures of ASC-Sun-Moon combos but I never remember its name to be able to check for likelinesses.

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OTHERWISE,

I wondered if directing something like the Fish Heads video (age 24?) could point at some Aquarian influence? Did anyone check it out? Paxton directed it & co-starred in it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTpUVAcvWfU I already said Crispin Glover's a bit unusual and a double-Taurus so... does that run in them? ;P

I'm asking also for "The conversation got awesomely entertaining, and a little bit weird — as they often do with Bill Paxton" being said of him. Source: http://www.vulture.com/2013/07/bill-paxton-guns-are-an-extension-of-the-penis.html

Love the video short thing, btw, despite slight creepiness. If there was a reason to love Paxton it's appreciating that one. Pardon my sense of humour. Then again, I saw somewhere that he misses comedy and wishes he got to do more of it.

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Aries23Degrees,

would you put pranks under that Gemini influence? http://youtu.be/GguHrJVeFZ8 starts off with some talk of such. Charming and smiley though, can feel the charm offensive at times - hence my original Libra thoughts as well as the rest.

posted May 24, 2014 04:53 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
Aries23D, glad you approve. What degree is your Scorpio Venus, if I may ask? It might give clues?

He's not precisely my type but works at times (VERY hot at times, but mostly not?) - and is pretty adorable in some of the Hatfields & McCoys interviews with Costner out there. I prefer him in his more recent roles and loved him after that one thing happened in SHIELD (the spoiler), reckless young men rarely being my thing. I preferred Lance Henriksen to Paxton's blood-drinker in Near Dark, for example, but I haven't seen that in at least ten years either.

I didn't remember the Mars & Merc were conjunct, but that must've been because it was on the looser side. The Saturn was 9-10 degrees opposite Sun, right? I guess the heavy stuff could influence him some more to "hide" the Gem Mars & Merc a little. He does seem pretty subdued for a Gem-M-M in the few things glanced at so far though so thanks for pointing that out. I have Frailty but I haven't watched it so don't know how that'd show in his directing work either. It did get good reviews for being intelligent though. And I mean do NOT spoil yourself on its plot if you want to see it, it's that kind of smart.

My 5th cusp is Scorpio so I hear you on Pluto in 5th? Mine's in 4th, mutual reception with Moon in 8th. I'd have thought that he was considered conventionally just fine-looking though since he's been in all the big movies, too. (If you ask me, he has better features than some Ryan Gosling type who to me is "ugly" despite being lauded as Teh Hawt - but that's why they probably talk about no disputing tastes or whatever it is. )

I'm curious; he has Pluto in Leo, yours is in 5th, you think that plays any part with your thing? Or if you have something at your 23 Aries trine the Pluto?

I still want to count Scorpio out of the Fixed ASCs though. Doesn't somehow seem as it as the rest. No idea. Glad you're picking up on the über-Taurean vibe as well though. Venus would rule that but it's in Aries so again it gets a little weird?

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My Scorpio is at 17 Degrees Scorpio and it forms a very wide opposition to his Sun.

Interestingly, it forms an almost exact conjunction to his Saturn- maybe that could be why I am attracted to him? I have Saturn in the 7th house natally so "daddy" types are appealing? Yeah, I think that could be it

posted May 24, 2014 05:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Keela:
Aries23Degrees,

would you put pranks under that Gemini influence? Interview starts off with some talk of such. Charming and smiley though, can feel the charm offensive at times - hence my original Libra thoughts as well as the rest.

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I love this. I do the same thing. I like to look through interviews and get a "feel" of the actors.

I must assert though, his Taurus vibe is too strong. Even when he talks of the pranks he plays, all I feel and see is Taurus/matter of fact energy.

Asc in Libra, in my experience, tend to have a charm that is more intellectually inclined.

Much like Gemini, they'll play with words and often end a sentence with a giggle or a smile.

Sometimes self-deprecating, but always very good at appearing non-threatening and accommodating. Because, in actuality, they want you to like them.

Taurus charm is very "matter of fact", "take me as I am" raw. They'll take their time to make a point, pause and even stop to search for the simplest words to get a message across.

They are never likely to come across as intellectually sophisticated or even trying too hard. Charm to them is being able to relax and be themselves "Take it or leave it". And Bill Paxton has this way of projection in interviews.

Now and then I see the glimmer of a receptive Moon in Pisces peak in when he is interrupted or apologizing about something. But then Taurus comes up again quickly thereafter.

Did I mention I love this guy? A real man.Yummy!!!

posted May 24, 2014 12:51 PM            

I'm sure your Venus was also at 17 Scorpio, not just your Scorpio. Sorry. ;P I know how that happens too easily.

It's probably the Saturn conjunction as closer things should be felt more immediately. Especially if yours is in your 7th and you react to the type as well. My DC's Aquarius so Saturn's a secondary ruler of sorts, and I always preferred older men, whether that's related or not. Gotcha on the nothing in 5th on your side, I misread that and didn't see you meant his Pluto in synastry. I think it's in my second house.

If you like "Daddy" types and him, may I recommend you try some Big Love if unfamiliar? I'm told S1 is big on nudity stakes should that be an additional lure. ;P I've only seen S3 and while the series and his character in it have their problems, I was pleased with how I found myself watching even during shots with characters who I wasn't interested in in the least. Normally I'd skip, but even with nothing much happening and possibly less than pleasant people in some shots, it was captivating.

posted May 24, 2014 01:38 PM            

I'm a double Leo, my father's a quadruple Aries (w/ Cancer ASC conj Mars-Saturn), mother's Leo by ASC and Pluto-Merc-SN - and I often hone in on people with a big concentration in some sign. The main way I got along with Leos, for example, was only if they were at least double Leos. Somehow it wasn't enough if they were just singular sorts with my own sign. Maybe it'd figure even with the celebrity sort that once someone does cross my attention threshold they follow the pattern as well.

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I love this. I do the same thing. I like to look through interviews and get a "feel" of the actors.

I must assert though, his Taurus vibe is too strong. Even when he talks of the pranks he plays, all I feel and see is Taurus/matter of fact energy.

Asc in Libra, in my experience, tend to have a charm that is more intellectually inclined.

Much like Gemini, they'll play with words and often end a sentence with a giggle or a smile.

Sometimes self-deprecating, but always very good at appearing non-threatening and accommodating. Because, in actuality, they want you to like them.

Taurus charm is very "matter of fact", "take me as I am" raw. They'll take their time to make a point, pause and even stop to search for the simplest words to get a message across.

They are never likely to come across as intellectually sophisticated or even trying too hard. Charm to them is being able to relax and be themselves "Take it or leave it". And Bill Paxton has this way of projection in interviews.

Now and then I see the glimmer of a receptive Moon in Pisces peak in when he is interrupted or apologizing about something. But then Taurus comes up again quickly thereafter.

Did I mention I love this guy? A real man.Yummy!!!

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I think it's a bit easier if you know the actual chart and can use that to hone skills in recognizing certain traits in some people. The mystery of not knowing can bring more drive to trying to figure out though.

I kind of agree that I got a lot of Earthy (salt of the earth? LOL) Taurus from the prank-interview as well, but wanted to do my usual Devil's Advocate questions and ask if something else wasn't at work also. I'm not questioning per se if I throw in something different, I'm looking to see how it vibes with others and if they thought about the possibility. (3H Virgo Merc?)

So the consensus so far is that a Taurus Ascendant is a very high likelihood? Makes him a first house Sun person as well in all likelihood (not 12th house Sun at least) without glancing at chart possibilities.

I don't know any Libra ASCs but the main online L-Sun I know does have the certain levity I'd tie to them, sure. I had very good examples of Taurus and Aquarius Fixed Sign stubborn sides from schooldays and a friend hooked up with a Taurus guy so I guess I know those vibes better than think. My Sun in 2nd house aside.

I think some check I did made the Moon move to Aries by around 4pm (ASC at middle of Libra?) so the birth time would fall before that then. Morning sometime for Taurus I guess.

Does that make his Moon square your Sun, too, A23D? Late Pisces.

"Charm to them is being able to relax and be themselves "Take it or leave it"." Going by his interviews I'll take it. Definitely a very nice manly sort and so far it's been an interesting experience getting to know more about him or the work. I was sold on the "bit of a fan now" front when read that he takes some time with fans even during busy signings, the image being nice overall.

It's a pity there isn't any birth data for his wife since they look a very compatible pair if you can say anything based on looks alone. More alike than he and his first wife looked, anyway.

posted May 24, 2014 02:41 PM            

That means his North Node forms part of my Jupiter, Neptune, Sun conjunction.

"my Scorpio is in 17 Degrees of Scorpio" lol. I meant Venus of-course.

posted May 25, 2014 11:40 AM            

If i were to guess the asc i would have to go with either scorpio or virgo, leaning more thowards scorpio.

posted May 25, 2014 04:36 PM            

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Originally posted by PeterPan:
I'm a 100% sure he's got an aries moon, aries was the first thing that poped up in my head when i saw he's picture.

If i were to guess the asc i would have to go with either scorpio or virgo, leaning more thowards scorpio.

Btw to those who mentions he might be a taurus rising; he looks nothing like a taurus rising. Neither does he look like a pisces moon.

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The best way to test the theory is to observe the proposed MC/IC as well as the AC/DC during important periods in his life.

posted May 25, 2014 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by PeterPan:
I'm a 100% sure he's got an aries moon, aries was the first thing that popped up in my head when i saw his picture.

If i were to guess the asc i would have to go with either scorpio or virgo, leaning more towards scorpio.

Btw to those who mentions he might be a taurus rising; he looks nothing like a taurus rising. Neither does he look like a pisces moon.

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posted August 03, 2014 01:19 PM            

The Asc is in Aquarius/Leo or Sagittarius.

posted September 24, 2014 10:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Finally. I think I have a strong hunch.

The Asc is in Aquarius/Leo or Sagittarius.

I am swayed more towards the fixed two mentioned(especially Aquarius).

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My apologies for the long delay in replying, Aries23. Where did you get your strong hunch, or what made you think that now? I know I asked about Leo and Aquarius for different reasons earlier, but discounted Sag-vibes personally.

posted September 25, 2014 06:45 PM            

The MC/IC axis is all about timing of events. It's very tricky.

He divorced his 1st wife when transiting Uranus was opposing his Sun in 1980.

Married his 2nd wife(and mother of his two kids) when transiting Uranus was conjunct his natal North Node in Sagittarius.

Had his 1st child when Pluto in Scorpio was opposing his Sun.Enjoyed success with Twister, Titanic and Independence day when Pluto was still opposing his Sun.

The reason I thought Aquarius is because of Uranus.But I was playing around the MC/IC axis.And also with the fixed signs.

posted September 25, 2014 10:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
He divorced his 1st wife when transiting Uranus was opposing his Sun in 1980.

Married his 2nd wife(and mother of his two kids) when transiting Uranus was conjunct his natal North Node in Sagittarius.

Had his 1st child when Pluto in Scorpio was opposing his Sun.Enjoyed success with Twister, Titanic and Independence day when Pluto was still opposing his Sun.

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If he had Aquarius for ASC he was born right at the start of the day. 0:05am gives around 2 degrees Aqua already so it gets very close to the start if talking the early degrees. I didn't check for Leo but presume it'd be something around and just after noon then.

6 Aquarius ASC has MC in later minutes of 23 Scorpio, so if you go for 0:24am and 8.14 Aquarius ASC, MC is at 25.13 Scorpio opposite his 25.35 Tau Sun. Second house starts at 20 Pisces. Would Sun conjunct IC make someone reflect the Taurus so much even when the MC is more about public sides?

He has Chiron at 5.30 R Aquarius, do you see that being anywhere near either an Ascendant or Descendant then? Either way, his 24.20-ish Leo Pluto then likely falls either in his 7th or first house, 12th or sixth being the other options. Any help gained from thinking of either option?

In the example given, Pluto would square the probably IC-MC angle. It's square his Sun already though so... hard to say much?

If going with the 8 Aqua ASC example or thing thrown in to try out MCs, Uranus ends up in sixth house, and trines the MC? Vertex falls at 5.55 Virgo with that. Juno is square his ASC-DC in that scenario, although I haven't checked what later Aqua-ASCs would give yet, of course.

I haven't checked transit times or when he divorced but throwing in the year 1980 without changing the current date for a progressed chart gives pVenus at 27.54 Taurus near his Sun, but it's not tied to divorces, and was a long-term resident near the Sun, of course. Progressed Uranus is 25.39 Cancer with little movement, but would have trined what you stated the transit Uranus opposing his Sun (and pVenus?) was? Prog. Moon would be 27.08 Aquarius in that scenario, but may be somewhere later depending on what the actual chart or time is. *shrug*

Ah, I checked the transits. Uranus was only at 22.52 Scorpio in September 1980 and reasons for splitting would likely have arisen before a divorce. With the Aqua/Leo ASC or DC Uranus and Sun play as the rulers of either end though so I see why you'd have started from something like that, but I'm not well-versed enough in anything to say much.

Maybe I should check what the Leo-ASC options say, if Uranus tied to NN with the second marriage as well, possibly suggesting a DC-ruler then. Thanks for pitching in in any case.