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Topic: Thoughts on Ascendant/Birth Time Confusion
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nove731
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posted June 28, 2014 07:37 PM
  
This might seem silly, but I'm very curious. Has anyone else here had any confusion over their birth time/Ascendant? Did you ever think that you had one Ascendant only to later find out that that was inaccurate? If so, how has this affected your interpretation of your chart? Has it affected it at all?Some back story:
I actually have three birth certificates - a traditional "long form", a traditional "short form", and a hospital copy (I don't think this is too uncommon, though?). Only two of them have birth times (the traditional long and the hospital copy), and they don't match up, unfortunately. For the longest time, I went by the info on the hospital copy, which put my ASC in early Libra. I only began to feel that this was incorrect as I got older and received feedback from my peers regarding being judgmental or critical (which aligned with the time on my long form - late Virgo). Even though I am fairly positive that Virgo is my correct Ascendant, I still sometimes wonder. If it were Libra, my Venus is (/would still be) in the 6th, giving me a bit of a "Virgo" flair, haha ------------------
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hodad
Knowflake Posts: 241
From: tiburon ca usa
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 28, 2014 08:01 PM
I am not 100 percent confident that the birth time listed on your birth certificate is completely accurate.Even one or 2 minutes could throw the whole thing off and give you a completely different chart.
I have 19 degrees Virgo rising with Pluto in the 12th at 4 Virgo----if it was a little different Pluto would be conjunct my Asc----having Pluto conjunct the Asc is way different than just having Virgo rising by itself--other placements would be different too---it's tricky---IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 28, 2014 08:22 PM
I don't have my birth certificate at all.
My chart is based on my mother's memory. And it's not very bright, so there's room for error.Though I am 100% certain that I have a Gemini ASC. It could be a few degrees off, and my IC/MC could be in different signs, but I don't think they are. I'm pretty comfortable with the chart I have now. Maybe my ASC is a couple degrees farther than where it is now, that's a possibility. But either way it hasn't really bothered me much, except for transits at times. IP: Logged |
Aries23Degrees
Knowflake Posts: 626
From: South Africa
Registered: Dec 2012
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posted June 29, 2014 06:49 AM
I empathize.I also am in the same predicament. I don't have a birth certificate that lists the time of birth and my mother's memory is not very reliable. At first she said that I was born "around" 3pm and then she said that it was "around" tea time. Then, on my birthday, some two years back, she sent me a message that said that I was born at "around" 2. So...  I've decided to just go with the dominant planet(Jupiter)and read transits according to how they affect my personal planets(Sun, Moon,Mercury, Venus and Mars) You can always do time rectification. But you'll need to be at-least 30 and even then, it is also just speculative. IP: Logged |
Moon is Lunatic
Knowflake Posts: 589
From: Moon, but I visit Mercury and Saturn too
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted June 29, 2014 08:35 AM
I'm kinda in the same boat.
I have so hard time determining what Asc I have. My mom said first a time that would give me Aqua Asc but later when I asked about it she gave me a different time. I have 3 Ascendants that are possible me to be.I even posted a pic of myself to Beginners section, you guys can go and guess there if you want. IP: Logged |
LucieLemonade
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Registered: Sep 2013
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posted June 29, 2014 11:01 AM
In many places they don't record birth times on the BC. My x husband's time is not recorded on his BC. His mother said he was born around 1pm which would give him a Scorpio asc. There is no way on earth he is a Scorpio asc. So I put it back half and hour to 12:30 and that gives him a Libra asc which is much more likely.
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Kannon McAfee
Knowflake Posts: 169
From: Portland, OR - USA
Registered: Oct 2011
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posted June 29, 2014 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by nove731:
This might seem silly, but I'm very curious. Has anyone else here had any confusion over their birth time/Ascendant? Did you ever think that you had one Ascendant only to later find out that that was inaccurate? If so, how has this affected your interpretation of your chart? Has it affected it at all?Some back story:
I actually have three birth certificates - a traditional "long form", a traditional "short form", and a hospital copy (I don't think this is too uncommon, though?). Only two of them have birth times (the traditional long and the hospital copy), and they don't match up, unfortunately. For the longest time, I went by the info on the hospital copy, which put my ASC in early Libra. I only began to feel that this was incorrect as I got older and received feedback from my peers regarding being judgmental or critical (which aligned with the time on my long form - late Virgo). Even though I am fairly positive that Virgo is my correct Ascendant, I still sometimes wonder. If it [b]were Libra, my Venus is (/would still be) in the 6th, giving me a bit of a "Virgo" flair, haha [/B]
Its not silly at all. This has happened to many people and your situation is applicable to many more birth charts than just those who are aware of it with their own. What you are describing is a real issue within astrology that even many astrologers aren't willing to address. I have. It is why I've engaged in so much study and practice of birth chart rectification. Most often the correct rising sign is the one previous to what is suggested by the recorded time. This is one of the things I do professionally because so few astrologers can do it well or want to. Sometimes a chart has few enough possibilities for a legitimate Asc that there is no need for a consult or formal rectification. I can run your data if you want and find out. For nove731
kannonmcafee@gmail.com - subject "Virgo/Libra Asc inquiry" ... If you inquire be sure to include your complete birth data, including the hospital in which you were born. ------------------
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PiscesCancerTaurus
Knowflake Posts: 260
From: Finland
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted June 29, 2014 12:16 PM
My BC says 10:49pm which would make me a Pisces rising. However, if I had been born only two minutes prior, I would have been an Aquarius rising. IP: Logged |
Moon is Lunatic
Knowflake Posts: 589
From: Moon, but I visit Mercury and Saturn too
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted June 29, 2014 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by PiscesCancerTaurus:
My BC says 10:49pm which would make me a Pisces rising. However, if I had been born only two minutes prior, I would have been an Aquarius rising.
Out of topic -- Wow you're from Finland too! That's cool to meet another finnish person here.  IP: Logged |
fishbull11
Knowflake Posts: 93
From: depths
Registered: May 2014
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posted June 29, 2014 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by hodad:
I am not 100 percent confident that the birth time listed on your birth certificate is completely accurate.Even one or 2 minutes could throw the whole thing off and give you a completely different chart.
I have 19 degrees Virgo rising with Pluto in the 12th at 4 Virgo----if it was a little different Pluto would be conjunct my Asc----having Pluto conjunct the Asc is way different than just having Virgo rising by itself--other placements would be different too---it's tricky---
Agreed, if I was born only 3 minutes earlier I would have been a Much different person as I am less than one degree into my ascendant sign. Minutes do matter on this one in my opinion as well.
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PiscesCancerTaurus
Knowflake Posts: 260
From: Finland
Registered: Jun 2013
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posted June 29, 2014 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by Moon is Lunatic:
Out of topic --Wow you're from Finland too! That's cool to meet another finnish person here.
Nice to meet you!
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