posted July 16, 2014 01:49 PM            

Unconditional love is possible for any Venus sign and Pisces Venus does not automatically have this ability by virtue of being born with Pisces Venus.

But they have the added advantage of being able too enunciate what it is and the capacity to feel what it could be-better than most Venus signs.That is all.

Unconditional love is still an ideal that we all strive to give and receive(Pisces included) as we all know some Capricorn Sun or another who has Venus in Pisces, but has been a complete d** in their relationship with their partner.

Virgo- if they have Neptune aspecting their Venus, can be most sensitive to the ideals of unconditional love. As Neptune is the planet that tears down boundaries(something with which few Virgos are ever comfortable doing)

Venus in Virgo and 12th house also "dilutes" a lot of the Venus in Virgo tendencies to draw up a list of what love "should" be.

posted July 16, 2014 02:03 PM            

Like i've seen few relationships where the guy was total bum and couldn't offer much besides the fact that he chased her

In one relationship I saw, the guy was a total bum and he had given her a strong sense that he needs her and she stayed with him, took care of him, married him and everything, although the marriage is very miserable (The guy lacks power, money, ambition, etc etc)

posted July 16, 2014 02:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
^Isn't the individual their natal chart? LOL

^^I understand that and get it. But it's not one sided like that. It's stereotyping when you base it off of just the sign. You look at what house it is in, the aspects and both the sun and moon sign. They add or take away from each other. You can't compare a Virgo with sun, moon and venus to a Leo with Gem moon and Virgo venus. They're similar but they're all different. All capable of unconditional love, like everyone else. You just have to learn more about yourself and own it. Some able to love easier than others, doesn't mean you aren't capable.

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If you believe in past lives, the individual would have had different natal chart in each of his/her past life. So is the individual their natal chart ? If it was so, the individual would not have had past lives at all, the person would’ve existed only once, then he/she would’ve disappeared forever along with his/her natal chart.

posted July 16, 2014 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
Virgo and capricorn venuses, are capable of unconditional love, on certain conditions.

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posted July 16, 2014 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
Unconditional love - might be infinite in its nature (it's "unconditional" - thus, you don't expect nothing in return) - but your time here... is not. So, even though - you can't really waste that type of love - you can waste time with emotional leeches - who always want more... as they're incapable of sustaining their existence - through their own love - so they keep trying to suck/get it out of others (it's why they're called emotional "vampires").

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posted July 16, 2014 04:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
Hmm I have very little Neptunian influence in me. I got no aspects between my Venus or Neptune, nothing in the 12th house, and 0 Pisces placements either.. only thing I got is Pisces MC. A lot of Virgo though. I'm critical with people (I analyze everybody I meet), but if I feel comfortable around them, I could really care less about their appearance and perfection in them. Many of my friends are what people would consider outcasts to society. I still accept them the way they are and hate it when people talk sh*t about them. I don't ever try to change them and never will. Same goes with lovers.

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posted July 16, 2014 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
I think Venus in Virgo can be unconditional lover in a sense that sometimes venus in virgos stay in relationships to fix their partner?

Like i've seen few relationships where the guy was total bum and couldn't offer much besides the fact that he chased her

In one relationship I saw, the guy was a total bum and he had given her a strong sense that he needs her and she stayed with him, took care of him, married him and everything, although the marriage is very miserable (The guy lacks power, money, ambition, etc etc)

so yeah I think Venus in virgo can love unconditionally in that sense, but at the same time this doesn't seem to sound good either

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posted July 16, 2014 05:03 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Your Pisces mc would cause you to have that feeling like you want to learn neptunes lessons. You asked about a lesson, instead of simply loving unconditionally as you are. And since you have a lot of Virgo planets seems fitting that you are aspiring to be more like your mc, and have more traits you lack in your search for perfection.

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posted July 16, 2014 05:07 PM            

But at the same time, I believe in unconditional love, I believe in true love, I'm a hopeless romantic at heart, even if I can be cynical. And with Mercury in Scorpio, I do sound cynical pretty often.

I have Venus square Neptune, no important placements in either Pisces or Cancer, empty 12th house.

I also have Venus in wide conjunction to Jupiter, which is in the very last degree of Virgo (and honestly my Jupiter always did feel Libra-esque to me). I have no other Virgo placements or Earth in general, not even Nodes or angles.

posted July 16, 2014 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
If you have it in you... it really doesn't matter what the chart says - even if you're an Ophiuchus, when/if the time comes - you'll be able to express it. At first - it won't be a matter of choice (it will overwhelm you), but with time - you'll manage to handle it better - by expressing it in the presence of people you might find worthy - or people who really need it - instead of wasting it on emotional vampires. Unconditional love - might be infinite in its nature (it's "unconditional" - thus, you don't expect nothing in return) - but your time here... is not. So, even though - you can't really waste that type of love - you can waste time with emotional leeches - who always want more... as they're incapable of sustaining their existence - through their own love - so they keep trying to suck/get it out of others (it's why they're called emotional "vampires").

PS.If you were raised as a sheep - find the courage to become a Lion.

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Originally posted by anonymidarkness:
Unconditional love does not mean letting people take advantage of you while you keep on loving them, that’s masochism in my eyes. You have to love yourself unconditionally first. If you love yourself, then you certainly won’t let people take advantage of you.

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posted July 16, 2014 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Venusincap89:
But in my opinion, unconditional love isn't just difficult for Venus in Virgo but for every signs

I think unconditional love does even not exist when it comes to romantic relationships.
I think unconditional love only exists between mothers and their children

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posted July 16, 2014 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
That would make a lot of sense. Also, my South Node (Pisces) sits in my 10th house. Would that add to it too?

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posted July 16, 2014 08:17 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Yeah. The closer it is to the mc I think it would have a huge impact. You might feel a push pull between Virgo and Pisces traits. Do you have a strong feeling of wanting to develop Pisces traits? I also see some people have a strong interest in the topics of the 10th house/mc even if it's not career related. Almost a preoccupation or a magnetic pull.

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posted July 16, 2014 08:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Solar_Leo_Queen:
Indeed I do. I am an aspiring artist/musician and having a critical venus somewhat creates blockage for creativity. I want to be able to just go with the flow and not be overanalyzing things. I'd also like to tap into my intuition. I been told I have psychic abilities, but my conscious mind is too "noisy" for me to even hear my subconscious. Also, I wanna serve others selflessly and be happy without expecting something in return (although most of the time, I already do). The only Pisces trait that I don't want is suffering. Well, let's face it. Nobody likes to suffer.

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It's great that you're in touch with your mc though. That you can recognize what you should strive for. And art is a great vessel to archive piscean traits of easy flowing emotions and ideas. Creativity can be learned. There are silly exercises to get you out of an artists/writers block, and those can teach you how to be more creative. I think a Virgo artist would be very technical and focused on skill and proficiency in their medium.

posted July 17, 2014 12:40 AM            

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I have this placement, and I would say I'm capable of unconditional love because I think anyone can be. But in an Astrological sense, Virgo is the sign of service isn't it? I think we all forget about that lovely quality. If the sign of Virgo in general is about service to others and the world, in all different types of service, I think that definitely means there is an unconditional love and care for those they are serving and helping. If you think of house placements and their opposite house, for example here with Virgo and Pisces (6th and 12th house axis), this axis basically represents sacrifice/self-sacrifice/service/conscious and subconscious. Sister-signs and houses are similar in some ways, because they oppose each other, so they have an overall similar meaning but just express them in different ways. In my opinion even though this topic is about Venus in Virgo and love, I just wanted to say that Pisces and Virgo are similar in many ways, but of course different in others. I think this can best be explained by examining the house axis they naturally rule.

So in conclusion, in Astrological terms, Virgo/Virgo Venus IS capable of unconditional love because they are serving others/things. Even if they happen to do so in a critical manner at times, they are serving and helping others they care about. If that isn't any type of love or devotion, then honestly what is?

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posted July 17, 2014 09:08 PM            

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How fitting this topic comes up today as I've been chatting with my guy friend of over 12 yrs who has this placement while talking about the ex who has this placement as well that dumped me in Feb...today has brought on a lot of pain for me regarding this placement.

No they are not equipped to give unconditional love..I'd even venture to say they barely hit the mark with conditional love. This sign does a serious disservice to itself with it's long laundry list of do's & don'ts that no one knows about..I could say more but I really don't want to come off looking like a ***** about it. I guess I'm just hurt & today was just the day the universe chose for me to have to try & deal with it & heal from it.

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posted July 17, 2014 09:36 PM            

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Even if somebody's been an ******* to me, I will still love the person that I know they are inside - and are usually or of capable of growing into. Pisces placements see potential, because we would never want to make anybody feel as if we've given up on them. We all have our struggles and we all grow in different ways at different times. That's where the unconditional love comes in, where venus in pisces say: "I love you even though you currently aren't the best person that you can be, because I will always love you even if you don't love me or fail to express anything, because I know who you are capable of becoming."

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^ This. I have a Pisces moon and Venus conjunct Neptune...Venus trine Saturn...I don't give up on people easily, and even if I leave, I still think of them fondly from time to time...

Anyone who has ever been important to me is still important to me. All that changes is the way it's expressed.

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My husband has Venus in Virgo, and he actually laughs about unconditional love, saying it's impossible. His logic is pretty good: after all, how can one project their heart out into the future, speaking for their future selves? Who knows what the future holds, and how one might react to certain betrayals or changes of fortune, until these things happen? And the quality of love changes over time, just like everything in life changes. You can't step in the same river twice, you can't love the exact same way twice, every moment and day is different...a young couple getting married will be different than that same couple, fifty years later.

posted July 17, 2014 09:53 PM            

I MAY have unconditional love for my parents...I think I do (or is that just compassion?), but at the same time I keep them at a distance. It's difficult to explain without a lot of text so I'll skip it. The point being is I feel cautious compassion for them knowing they feel nothing of the kind back for me, nor do I ever expect their feelings for me to ever change. I'm no more sad about it than I am of other harsh realities in the world, I focus more on what's good (without ignoring what's bad). But there's no way I'd let them walk all over me (as they would if I let them).