posted November 08, 2014 09:12 PM            

For some reason I feel Sag women tend to hate me and be jealous of me.

I on the other hand tend to like them but I am starting to really not like them bc I am getting really sick of the unfair treatment I am getting from them.

Its like they are intimidated by me; like I am going to dethrone them or something so then they start engaging in tactics of indirect aggression and cattiness often using other girls as weapons.

For example Sag knows I am super close to someone at work and I am always polite to sag but she doesn’t like me for whatever stupid reason so Sag repeatedly makes it a point to be very friendly towards my close friend and then not address me at all and I happen to be right next to my close friend. Sag then gets her close friend to engage in similar behavior towards me using my close friend as well as a weapon to hurt me. The only male in the group who is this older guy who I am very close to as well as my good friend admits he has noticed that these two girls mistreat me.

I needed to vent! I am so sick of it.

"If you thought you left catty girls back in high school, you’re wrong. Jealous girls can be found lurking anywhere -- at your job, at the gym -- or even among your circle of friends. Some 45 percent of workers in the United States have experienced mental abuse in the workplace -- and of that, a good portion are from women directed toward other women, according to data culled from a national poll from the Employment Law Alliance, as reported in the Women’s Health article, "Mean Girls in the Office." Women are more often the victims of mean girl attacks than men because women tend to be less confrontational when they are attacked, according to Gary Namie, Ph.D., cited in the Women's Health article. Namie adds that women often do not fight back when men would fight back."

posted November 08, 2014 09:30 PM            

Definitely gotten this from libra females in my life as well, I think my aries mars or uranus ascendant makes them uncomfortable like i'm not complying with enough social rules to make them feel comfortable or like i'm ruining their friendship game, especially if you're gathering more admirers or attention, look better or dress better than them, then they really really hate you for it (in my personal experience) since they try soo hard to please people that when someone comes in and does it effortlessly they become resentful.

posted November 08, 2014 09:49 PM            

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posted November 08, 2014 09:56 PM            

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Definitely gotten this from libra females in my life as well, I think my aries mars or uranus ascendant makes them uncomfortable like i'm not complying with enough social rules to make them feel comfortable or like i'm ruining their friendship game, especially if you're gathering more admirers or attention, look better or dress better than them, then they really really hate you for it (in my personal experience) since they try soo hard to please people that when someone comes in and does it effortlessly they become resentful.

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posted November 08, 2014 10:27 PM            

I used to think there was maybe something wrong with me, that I just didn't fit in. Until I found astrology and read my aspects.. I have pluto opposite moon which makes me intimidating to other women. They scare me as well to be completely honest. My own mother saw me as competition with my dad's affection! I don't know what I can do to change this.. I try so hard not to make girls jealous, with everything I do.

posted November 08, 2014 10:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Wow! This x100. But i don't think I please people in general, especially not effortlessly. Maybe I do until I open my mouth. I cannot play the social game, it's so unnatural that you'd think I was being sarcastic so I just have to stick with being direct. But yeah I have aries moon squaring uranus. And i get this with libras. But i love them, & it basically comes down to mutual respect for differences instead of comparing yourself to one another. In my experience.

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posted November 08, 2014 11:08 PM            

However, I find it's worsened if they have other mutables or water signs in their chart rather than fixed or cardinal. Does that make a difference with your chart energy at all?

I know a Scorpio Sun, Sagittarius Moon girl - and I compared to the other Sag-placements people I know before pointing fingers at signs and placements - and my Scorpio Sun, Capricorn Moon best friend has bent over backwards for her beyond what's healthy and yet this girl constantly picks fights with her, leaves her out of things, and withholds approval. She brags (some call it "sharing," please, I know the difference...) about her achievements that are specifically sore spots for my friend (not the friend's achievements but those areas - love, work.)

In high school this girl was also jealous of me just because I was friends with the girl above! She literally stepped right in front of me one day as I was talking to the other girl at her locker and interrupted our conversation and didn't acknowledge me at all. We didn't get along until we were out of high school because I gave just as much sass back.

posted November 08, 2014 11:39 PM            

I think you've somehow... already answered this question.

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For example Sag knows I am super close to someone at work

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As you mentioned, this kind of cowardy happens everywhere, but since this context is present in your work-environment.
The Key is: Material

So, I deduct:

• What matters for that people is "relevance, notoriety" in work.
• Because for them relevance and notoriety leads to gain 'influence', which unfortunately is considered as "power" by many apes.
• Through influence you can get benefits from Thirds (which I find TOTALLY SHAMEFUL because it means that you are weak enough to think you can't get "things" ON YOUR OWN - you always need the favours of 'X person').

~ At this point, you may be noticing the lack of confidence, pride, authenticity and the weakness of those who always try to get "Higher" through other people.

- This can't be power.
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So, if this is YOUR case, if this is what you are noticing.
The previous deduction leads me to conclude:

The root of this problem is a MATERIAL and RECEPTIVE nature.

==> You should look there.

It wouldn't be right to suggest just placements/aspects or Sun Signs.

Because it could be anyone. Aries Sun/Mars, Gemini Sun/Mars, Cancer Sun/Mars, Taurus Sun/Mars, Sag Sun/Mars. Anyone who is severely afflicted by a MATERIAL and RECEPTIVE nature.
As a good Seeker, look for the placements that lead you to this nature.

Am I explaning this clear enough?
I hope so, because sometimes I don't

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"Sag repeatedly makes it a point to be very friendly towards my close friend and then not address me at all and I happen to be right next to my close friend. Sag then gets her close friend to engage in similar behavior towards me using my close friend as well as a weapon to hurt me".

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For me, that's another way of saying:

"I need your favors and your friendship to get 'higher' or just to gain relevance, because I have no skills.
I'm weak "

• In any case, I think the only thing you can do is to keep natural and authentic.
So, eventually you may prove who is the tool
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In MY case.
I rather die instead of depending on the favours of 'X' person.
That's what fitness has taught me.

- Health above Material

~ Good Night.
~ Hope this rant helps

posted November 08, 2014 11:51 PM            

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
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I think you've somehow... already answered this question.
For me, that's another way of saying:

"I need your favors and your friendship to get 'higher' or just to gain relevance, because I have no skills.
I'm weak "

• In any case, I think the only thing you can do is to keep natural and authentic.
So, eventually you may prove who is the tool
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In MY case.
I rather die instead of looking for favors of 'X' person.
That's what fitness has taught me.

- Health above Material

~ Good Night.
~ Hope this rant helps

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God Bless you! Your post made me smile specially when you said:

"In any case, I think the only thing you can do is to keep natural and authentic.
So, eventually you may prove who is the tool"

THANK YOU.

posted November 08, 2014 11:56 PM            

I have issues with girls too but I really think it all comes to maturity. I try to surround myself with females who are comfortable with themselves and don't feel the need to rain on anyone's parade for confidence. Girls who gossip at the drop of a hat, insult too easily, get jealous for petty reasons and get threatened when you speak to a male they think they "own" scare the crap out of me. I just don't understand them. Why can't they just respect people and look at everyone from an objective view? Why does someone (especially a female) always have to be a threat to you? Grow up. I'm very uranian myself and I have felt countless times that I was never accepted in the female "it" group because I was too much of a freak. I find that some women are very cruel to me and love to remind me of my imperfections and faults. Which is something I would never do because I know how much that can hurt someone.

posted November 09, 2014 10:03 AM            

However, I have sag moon so I thought I was either projecting some or it was synastry of sun and moon.

But yeah, I find the energy including my sag moon can be twisted quite a bit.

Haha the bit where I put 'I wouldn't describe as catty' is exactly the kind of sag thing to do. Sorry

posted November 09, 2014 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by florence:
I've had a sag female friend almost consistently in my life. Except for a friend from childhood who embodies all the best qualities of sag, I do find them hypocritical and kind of negative - as in, examined quite a lot of comments seem to put others down in a roundabout manner. I wouldn't describe as 'catty' although mean, yes and trying to alienate, yes but not in a manipulative way as such - more an immature strange twisted ego manner. I think it's wanting to be direct in general but trying to rein it in that it can become worse

However, I have sag moon so I thought I was either projecting some or it was synastry of sun and moon.

But yeah, I find the energy including my sag moon can be twisted quite a bit.

Haha the bit where I put 'I wouldn't describe as catty' is exactly the kind of sag thing to do. Sorry

Also, I don't know if it's related but all those sag women had problematic relationships with their father where he ignored them, judged them or represented a failure to them. It might be some saturn energy but wondering if this is part of sags judgemental nature. I think often they judge themselves as a failure and are often trying to deflect that onto others

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WOW yeah I think you are unto something with that dad comment; that intuitively sounds right.

Thank for the honesty and sharing; that made me laugh the whole but "I wouldn't describe it as catty" but I feel what you are saying; it comes more from immaturity and twisted ego more so than cattiness; I think you are right.

posted November 09, 2014 03:09 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

and don't get me wrong there is one sag lady at work who is not like this and I dont see it in sag guys.

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posted November 09, 2014 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
THANK YOU.

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Oh, You're welcome

posted November 09, 2014 07:33 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:
I am actually very surprised to read all this about sag females! I only know sag males and they are for the most part chill (except for the ones going through neptune square transit right now )

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My experiences with Sags have been mostly positive as well of either gender. There's my Sag father who is a jerk, and IF he were female instead of male I could see him being catty and all instead...because that's how GIRLS are due to social pressures, whereas guys are socially pressured to express their dissatisfaction in a more direct way as my dad does.

That said, I've lost count how many times I've seen women post here how they like the males of one sign but not the females of the other and will describe the same reason for both. For example, as best I recall, one said she loved Aries males who were assertive but not Aries females who were rude (that is, assertive, and probably too much competition for that Aries guy she wanted to land for herself). Though that's common in many places (examples) which is why so many girls (and women), regardless of their sun sign, are catty and such like that because the fighting is encouraged to be sneaky and indirect.

'Course it's gotten so bad like one member vented on different placements and every one got a "I've noticed that too" and when the person admitted it was just an experiment to see if LL would do that reflexively his/her threads died save the one where the poster confessed to it being an experiment where a couple were saying "it's STILL true." (Hmm, starting to sound like LL is composed of Sag females...)

posted November 09, 2014 08:30 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
WOW yeah I think you are unto something with that dad comment; that intuitively sounds right.

Thank for the honesty and sharing; that made me laugh the whole but "I wouldn't describe it as catty" but I feel what you are saying; it comes more from immaturity and twisted ego more so than cattiness; I think you are right.

and don't get me wrong there is one sag lady at work who is not like this and I dont see it in sag guys.

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posted November 09, 2014 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturiann:
I am actually very surprised to read all this about sag females! I only know sag males and they are for the most part chill (except for the ones going through neptune square transit right now )

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In the last month I've almost started a thread about sag females myself a couple of times. Because in general there is a positive manner it is odd and I wasn't sure it wasn't just synastry or afflictions because in my case it does feel like my moon is a bit dominated. But regardless of that have definitely experienced the critical but it only bothered me when it seemed to happen so often. So perhaps it's a case of being close to.

I don't really know sag men to the same degree, although I still think I'd experience it more in women because it does almost seem like they are trying to contain themselves maybe as per societal expectations and that's when it can come out.

posted November 09, 2014 09:16 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
That said, I've lost count how many times I've seen women post here how they like the males of one sign but not the females of the other and will describe the same reason for both. For example, as best I recall, one said she loved Aries males who were assertive but not Aries females who were rude (that is, assertive, and probably too much competition for that Aries guy she wanted to land for herself). Though that's common in many places (examples) which is why so many girls (and women), regardless of their sun sign, are catty and such like that because the fighting is encouraged to be sneaky and indirect.

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Yeah I was thinking it may be due to how girls are expected to react... I often think about how I am not attracted to water sign males because in the past a lot of them have come off as if they were trying to overcompensate for their sensitivity by being overly masculine, I can see a similar thing happening with girls, where they try to repress their outspoken or masculine nature such as in sagittarius's case as you have described, trying to mask their bluntness, which in turn just results in passive aggressive and catty behavior although I don't have enough experience with fire sign females to give a good analysis lol.

posted November 09, 2014 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by florence:
I've had a sag female friend almost consistently in my life. Except for a friend from childhood who embodies all the best qualities of sag, I do find them hypocritical and kind of negative - as in, examined quite a lot of comments seem to put others down in a roundabout manner. I wouldn't describe as 'catty' although mean, yes and trying to alienate, yes but not in a manipulative way as such - more an immature strange twisted ego manner. I think it's wanting to be direct in general but trying to rein it in that it can become worse

However, I have sag moon so I thought I was either projecting some or it was synastry of sun and moon.

But yeah, I find the energy including my sag moon can be twisted quite a bit.

Haha the bit where I put 'I wouldn't describe as catty' is exactly the kind of sag thing to do. Sorry

Also, I don't know if it's related but all those sag women had problematic relationships with their father where he ignored them, judged them or represented a failure to them. It might be some saturn energy but wondering if this is part of sags judgemental nature. I think often they judge themselves as a failure and are often trying to deflect that onto others

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Lol yes, trying to rein it in usually results in this kind of awkward energy for me. It comes off as insincere so I just don't do it. I think, actually, if I DID just do this, I could easily see myself being like Regina George. But there's the whole morals thing, so it wouldn't even be fun for a sag to *actually* be like this. I think it's just the unnatural expression of sags that makes it seem like we're like that. Not sure if the tendency is to actually try to put down others, because this doesn't seem natural at all & sounds random for sags. I think, if it was on purpose, we are more likely to be *mean* to people who have catty personalities and act that way to others. But this is only in self defense.

posted November 09, 2014 10:34 PM            

The other two Sag females I have known were complete alcoholics, so when they were s**t talking behind my back and eventually, when we had our screaming match Jerry Springer style, I don't know if it was THEM or the BOOZE or the combination.

I like Sag men even though they project similar energy (esp. the jealousy). They are a little more fun & lighter... less intense that dealing with the females.

That could be my personal bias though because in general, I get along better with men (or anyone with masculine type of energy) than women (or anyone with feminine energy).

posted November 09, 2014 10:51 PM            

My Sag dad was an alcoholic and the booze definitely made him worse. He tended to be a jerk even when sober but when drinking he got loud and violent.

posted November 09, 2014 10:58 PM            

Sometimes it's the synastry.