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Dreaminess
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posted November 10, 2014 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is it their way of trying to "impress" someone? and i have never understood why they are known to be "mysterious" bc to me i can see clearly the person they really are and that is why i get so annoyed by the false potrayal of themselves and how easily influenced they get by others but esp so from the person they are in love with.Sometimes i can get a bit "creeped" out even by piscean/neptunian/12th house types bc sometimes i can give them a "aha" moment and then it might only take minutes and then they can say the exact same thing (and by exact i mean exact) same thing i have just told them back to me but act like it came from them. Even my mom is like this, she has venus conj neptune and sometimes i can make her "realize" something about something and then it wont take her long before she thinks she realised that by herself and then will say back to me the exact same thing i made her realize about that certain something. Sometimes i even feel they don`t know how to even think for themselves, like they either have to read a wise quote or talk to a person they find "wise" for them to create something in their minds.Rarely do i feel like they sit by themselves and figure something out themselves. Often times i feel like they use another s knowledge.I do find them nice (sometimes a bit too nice) but rarely do i trust them bc of the deceptiveness and easily affected personality.

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posted November 10, 2014 02:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DeepFreeze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haha!

I have Mercury/Mars/venus in 12th - Virgo with Venus square Neptune.

I don't see myself as anything like that. I'm KNOWN to be THE person who brings the unexpected. The crazy (in a good/fun way) one.

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posted November 10, 2014 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOOOOL Dreaminess! I hate when people do that... It's like... Erm, I told you this 2 weeks ago. HAHAHA! Pisces can be so funny sometimes. I think, in a way, when they do this they mean to suggest that they've found it to resonate within them in such a way that they truly feel it was theirs to begin with. They should probably say "thanks for helping me realize that" LOL. Well, as a Pisces, as someone mentioned... I do tend to mirror but I do so to relate and as ashamed I am to admit this, I also mirror sometimes to avoid having to reveal myself.

Because I have outgoingness present in my chart, it seems much more authentic and not necessarily creepy.

There's a flavor to the way I deliver myself that doesn't come off odd or forced. So I mirror but let's just say that my mirror has it's own patterns and tints on it. So, you might see yourself in me but certainly in such a way that it only reflects back to you in the way that I wish to project it, as is authentic to me. There's only 1 person that I can say with confidence knows me fully because she fully accepts me. With her, the mirror is put away.

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posted November 10, 2014 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Leorpio     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've noticed that I do mirror others but not in the way you think. Its like I am a mirror OF them and it depends on who's looking to determine whether they like what they see or not. Those that like what they see and that are comfortable with themselves will be comfortable with me right off the bat. Thosenthat aren't will not be comfortable with me and something about my presence (whether its in person or online) will trigger all sorts of negative reactions. I chalk this up to asc conjunct Neptune in 1st house and mars square asc, moon ssextile asc. Neptune shows people their unconscious sides and whatever they have hidden there will be shown and if they don't like it they might try to copy someone else instead. Very strange but cool planet, Neptune.

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posted November 10, 2014 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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LOOOOL Dreaminess! I hate when people do that... It's like... Erm, I told you this 2 weeks ago. HAHAHA! Pisces can be so funny sometimes. I think, in a way, when they do this they mean to suggest that they've found it to resonate within them in such a way that they truly feel it was theirs to begin with. They should probably say "thanks for helping me realize that" LOL. Well, as a Pisces, as someone mentioned... I do tend to mirror but I do so to relate and as ashamed I am to admit this, I also mirror sometimes to avoid having to reveal myself.

Because I have outgoingness present in my chart, it seems much more authentic and not necessarily creepy.

There's a flavor to the way I deliver myself that doesn't come off odd or forced. So I mirror but let's just say that my mirror has it's own patterns and tints on it. So, you might see yourself in me but certainly in such a way that it only reflects back to you in the way that I wish to project it, as is authentic to me. There's only 1 person that I can say with confidence knows me fully because she fully accepts me. With her, the mirror is put away.


"thanks for helping me realize that"


This is the part i rarely hear from them. Its natural to say "hey, just like you said i agree with blah blah blah" but instead it feels like one has a mirror or are experiencing deja vu when one is around a strongly influenced piscean/neptunian type, lol. So would you say that you are aware that you are mirroring another and not really "losing" yourself?

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posted November 10, 2014 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Dreaminess:
"thanks for helping me realize that"


This is the part i rarely hear from them. Its natural to say "hey, just like you said i agree with blah blah blah" but instead it feels like one has a mirror or are experiencing deja vu when one is around a strongly influenced piscean/neptunian type, lol. So would you say that you are aware that you are mirroring another and not really "losing" yourself?


Because I don't know too many heavy Piscean people, besides myself and my dad... I can't say I experienced it from a Pisces but I can definitely see it coming from a Pisces.

Yes, I am firmly aware of the mirroring that I do. As much as I am Piscean, I am very Saturnine and have a lot of Air in me, as well as a nice Pluto square to my Sun and Mercury. I am even too aware of every little thing that I do, you won't catch me doing something out of mindlessness. The only time I lose myself in front of people is when I'm dancing to EDM. Otherwise, the undoing and the lack of spatial awareness happens when I'm alone.

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posted November 10, 2014 03:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mmoni_carlo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ahh.. I noticed this with every pisces friend I have! Very weak character. They always want to be someone else too.. Like these girlfriends I had would find some role model & hang onto every single thing that person did, said, what they wore..

And my boyfriend's ex was no exception. She literally was brain washed by him. She was definitely a sheep as well.

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posted November 10, 2014 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A pisces I know only has to spend a day with someone and she adopts their accent and mannerisms as if she has just synced up with them. Even once they've gone so it just seems automatic.

I've some neptune but if I do mirror it's either because I like and feel I understand the person so it's a genuine sense of merging. or don't like them/ feel they don't like me/dont understand them and it seems the only way to fill that space in relating. Sometimes too its like a way to engage with people when I don't want to just from feeling drained or wanting to turn inwards - mirroring is a way to do that to an extent without investing. On the whole I don't think I'm very good at it and I feel embarrassed like a fraud if I've slipped into it for ease.

Maybe pisces if they are the sign which contains all others just can't help but relate to people

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posted November 10, 2014 05:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OMG HAHA! I just remembered this adorable guy I met Virgo Sun/Mercury and Pisces Moon... It's amaaaaazing how he mirrors. He loves languages so check this out... When I spoke to him, he had an accent going on sounded a little bit latino perhaps but he had a Caucasian look about him. So I thought maybe he was Spanish or Portuguese or Brazilian perhaps.

Anyway, I asked where he was from and he said Pennsylvania then I was like... where are you originally from? He's like... Right so... I'm American but I love languages so much that my accent sounds a bit different when I'm with people that I know are from other countries. So he speaks English and Spanish fluently, and is learning Arabic and Urdu. I speak Arabic, English, Spanish and some French.

After a while of him talking to me, he started to mimic my accent and my manner of speech!!! He even noticed that and said "See? Now I'm picking up your accent and speaking like you!" I have quite an American accent but very enunciated and sometimes a hint of foreignness is discernible. It was amazing. I told him to speak in his actual accent and the difference was tremendous.

This is also an example of the mirroring and mimicking. It's his way of relating to people that aren't American, he inadvertently speaks in an accent to blend in with the "multi-cultural" environment he finds himself in. It's interesting. He's a very quick and sharp-minded guy.

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posted November 10, 2014 05:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was thinking pisces would be good spies but then I guess there's more to it than that. But curious how many actors

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posted November 10, 2014 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I was thinking pisces would be good spies but then I guess there's more to it than that. But curious how many actors

I agree. I think what would hinder their potential, however, is how scaredy they can be when they feel like they're in a position whose premise is a betrayal of something. That's not to say Pisces cannot betray, but rather, they make sure they are drunk or on drugs to do that because they don't have the power to consciously deal with their faults. It's hard for them to attach such an act to a noble cause. I think Scorpio is better suited because they have less trouble in the conscience department, if they believe in the cause they're doing it for.

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posted November 10, 2014 05:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I agree. I think what would hinder their potential, however, is how scaredy they can be when they feel like they're in a position whose premise is a betrayal of something. That's not to say Pisces cannot betray, but rather, they make sure they are drunk or on drugs to do that because they don't have the power to consciously deal with their faults. It's hard for them to attach such an act to a noble cause. I think Scorpio is better suited because they have less trouble in the conscience department, if they believe in the cause they're doing it for.

Yes you are right - at least I've had to get drunk just that to be able to betray, deal with faults. I might have Pluto in 12th with equal house system so especially could imagine that.

I was thinking they'd struggle because they'd get recruited to be double agents or suspected of it all the time

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posted November 10, 2014 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I don't see myself as anything like that. I'm KNOWN to be THE person who brings the unexpected. The crazy (in a good/fun way) one.


I'm kinda the same.

However, I do empathize with people so much that I can sort of live inside their opinions, see things from their angle. I thought this was a good thing...who doesn't want to be understood?

The catch is, it may only happen when I am with them...then they may get the impression that they have deeply influenced me and from now on I want to be just like them. Usually, that is not the case whatsoever. I was just trying on their viewpoints for size, the way someone might try on a costume.

As I see it, Pisces has a blank slate energy to it ~ it absorbs and dissipates. If you expect it to be more concrete...well y'all can just keep waiting forever, it isn't going to happen.

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posted November 10, 2014 05:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yes you are right - at least I've had to get drunk just that to be able to betray, deal with faults. I might have Pluto in 12th with equal house system so especially could imagine that.

I was thinking they'd struggle because they'd get recruited to be double agents or suspected of it all the time



"I was thinking they'd struggle because they'd get recruited to be double agents or suspected of it all the time[/B][/QUOTE]"

Yeah i agree. Its easy to sense with a pisces a deceptivness to them that they would have easily triggered suspicion in another.

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posted November 10, 2014 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"I was thinking they'd struggle because they'd get recruited to be double agents or suspected of it all the time

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Yeah i agree. Its easy to sense with a pisces a deceptivness to them that they would have easily triggered suspicion in another. [/B][/QUOTE]

Nods as per this thread

Good actors then maybe

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posted November 10, 2014 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Maybe pisces if they are the sign which contains all others just can't help but relate to people

^^ This

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posted November 10, 2014 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
[b]I don't see myself as anything like that. I'm KNOWN to be THE person who brings the unexpected. The crazy (in a good/fun way) one.



I'm kinda the same.

However, I do empathize with people so much that I can sort of live inside their opinions, see things from their angle. I thought this was a good thing...who doesn't want to be understood?

The catch is, it may only happen when I am with them...then they may get the impression that they have deeply influenced me and from now on I want to be just like them. Usually, that is not the case whatsoever. I was just trying on their viewpoints for size, the way someone might try on a costume.

As I see it, Pisces has a blank slate energy to it ~ it absorbs and dissipates. If you expect it to be more concrete...well y'all can just keep waiting forever, it isn't going to happen.

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-12H Saturn in mutual reception with my Cap sun[/B][/QUOTE]

"However, I do empathize with people so much that I can sort of live inside their opinions, see things from their angle. I thought this was a good thing...who doesn't want to be understood?" You can still give out your understanding to a person without becoming that person, this is something i always wanted a pisces person to learn.

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posted November 10, 2014 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"However, I do empathize with people so much that I can sort of live inside their opinions, see things from their angle. I thought this was a good thing...who doesn't want to be understood?" You can still give out your understanding to a person without becoming that person, this is something i always wanted a pisces person to learn.


What do you mean by "become that person"? I certainly don't feel that I become anyone. When I mean I mirror someone, is that I reflect back what they give me. If I'm interacting with someone and I pick up on hyper, elated energy I slowly find myself responding in a hyper elated manner. If I was happy and someone else was upset and I pick up on that... I somber and simmer down as a response. Empathizing with someone and "living inside their opinion" doesn't mean becoming that person. I don't see how one can become someone else.

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posted November 10, 2014 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What do you mean by "become that person"? I certainly don't feel that I become anyone. When I mean I mirror someone, is that I reflect back what they give me. If I'm interacting with someone and I pick up on hyper, elated energy I slowly find myself responding in a hyper elated manner. If I was happy and someone else was upset and I pick up on that... I somber and simmer down as a response. Empathizing with someone and "living inside their opinion" doesn't mean becoming that person. I don't see how one can become someone else.


Yeah but piscean types tend to act in a way that makes them come off as in trying to become the person they are with but esp so when they are in love with a person. I honestly feel when they are in love with a person they tend to really "lose" themselves. I have seen several experiences of this.

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posted November 10, 2014 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anonymidarkness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yeah but piscean types tend to act in a way that makes them come off as in trying to become the person they are with but esp so when they are in love with a person. I honestly feel when they are in love with a person they tend to really "lose" themselves. I have seen several experiences of this.


But that’s exactly what Piscean types want, to merge with the other person. It’s the natural expression of the sign.

Is it to impress others ? No, it happens on it’s own.

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posted November 10, 2014 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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But that’s exactly what Piscean types want, to merge with the other person. It’s the natural expression of the sign.

Is it to impress others ? No, it happens on it’s own.



I disagree alittle with this, i actually do feel they tend to sometimes do it to impress another.

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posted November 10, 2014 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yeah but piscean types tend to act in a way that makes them come off as in trying to become the person they are with but esp so when they are in love with a person. I honestly feel when they are in love with a person they tend to really "lose" themselves. I have seen several experiences of this.


Hmm, Pisces, Neptune and the 12th house generally strive towards "ego loss". I think the Zen Buddhist concept of "no-self" is very helpful in explaining what I mean by "ego loss". That's not to say that the person annihilates themselves, but rather, that they come to the recognition that there is no essential nature to self-hood. This endows them with the realization that we are all one in the same and, in coming to this realization, one begins to exercise true compassion and unconditional love. To treat all one in the same, as they would treat themselves. At this point, one will have been enlightened. Buddhism's main aim is to alleviate suffering from attachment to ego and possessions. I think Pisces, having witnessed the journey of the 11 signs that precede it, seeks to do this.

With that being said, Pisces is apt to self-delusion. I'll give you a scenario using your own example. A Pisces in love will undergo an "ego loss". The allures of self-hood are no longer meaningful to Pisces because it has found the person and the space that would allow them to realize this. They treat them as though they were one in the same. They feel their pain as though it were theirs. They merge with them but when they do this, they may "lose" themselves as you say. This doesn't mean that they are becoming the other person. There is "no self" left in Pisces. No ego. It doesn't make sense for them to develop the ego of their partner. They thought that the love they found had enlightened them, but Pisces will realize this is not the case when her lover breaks up with her and she is thrown into the material world again and "forced" to find herself. If she had been evolved, she would merge and when she unmerges, she will not have felt that she has "lost" herself. This, of course, is extremely difficult. Which is why monks live in celibacy.

Pisces needs to deteriorate ego to feel happy. This is why they relate. And this is why, Jesus, to give an example, represents Pisces. They don't want to become the other person, they want to reach a level of no-self that would enable them to see no difference between one and another.

I want to clarify that I am speaking on the theoretical level of course. I am not like this because I am not perfect. I never wanted to become my lover but I do want to merge with them. To me, these are two different things.

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posted November 10, 2014 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dreaminess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Hmm, Pisces, Neptune and the 12th house generally strive towards "ego loss". I think the Zen Buddhist concept of "no-self" is very helpful in explaining what I mean by "ego loss". That's not to say that the person annihilates themselves, but rather, that they come to the recognition that there is no essential nature to self-hood. This endows them with the realization that we are all one in the same and, in coming to this realization, one begins to exercise true compassion and unconditional love. To treat all one in the same, as they would treat themselves. At this point, one will have been enlightened. Buddhism's main aim is to alleviate suffering from attachment to ego and possessions. I think Pisces, having witnessed the journey of the 11 signs that precede it, seeks to do this.

With that being said, Pisces is apt to self-delusion. I'll give you a scenario using your own example. A Pisces in love will undergo an "ego loss". The allures of self-hood are no longer meaningful to Pisces because it has found the person and the space that would allow them to realize this. They treat them as though they were one in the same. They feel their pain as though it were theirs. They merge with them but when they do this, they may "lose" themselves as you say. This doesn't mean that they are becoming the other person. There is "no self" left in Pisces. No ego. It doesn't make sense for them to develop the ego of their partner. They thought that the love they found had enlightened them, but Pisces will realize this is not the case when her lover breaks up with her and she is thrown into the material world again and "forced" to find herself. If she had been evolved, she would merge and when she unmerges, she will not have felt that she has "lost" herself. This, of course, is extremely difficult. Which is why monks live in celibacy.

Pisces needs to deteriorate ego to feel happy. This is why they relate. And this is why, Jesus, to give an example, represents Pisces. They don't want to become the other person, they want to reach a level of no-self that would enable them to see no difference between one and another.

I want to clarify that I am speaking on the theoretical level of course. I am not like this because I am not perfect. I never wanted to become my lover but I do want to merge with them. To me, these are two different things.



This was a very good describtion of the pisces nature. Thanks for the insight, you gave me now a better understanding of the reasons behind their "mirroring" etc.

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posted November 10, 2014 07:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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This was a very good describtion of the pisces nature. Thanks for the insight, you gave me now a better understanding of the reasons behind their "mirroring" etc.


Glad to be of service, Dreaminess!

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posted November 10, 2014 07:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You can still give out your understanding to a person without becoming that person, this is something i always wanted a pisces person to learn.

If the true nature of Pisces is to mesh with other people, then to try and alter that and make them more "authentic" is crazy.

They are authentically blendable.

To an extent.

My Pisces best friend would be p*ssed off in the extreme at this whole conversation. Oh I wish she were here.

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