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PixieJane
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posted November 23, 2014 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Someone should scour this forum that say how terrible about everyone with a certain placement which gets a lot of agreement ("I've noticed that, too") and link them to this thread. The years I've been here (and I'm sure probably since the birth of LL) there have been so many...and they vary by a lot to the point I'd think everyone has been tarred with that brush at least once.

So I thought it would be interesting to collect all these "infamous" placements and then see if it's there's enough that these "infamous placements" are likely to be about anyone. If so, then it would beg the question of what about our chart mixes wrong with that energy so that it stands out stronger than usual or if it's more accurate to say people are this way and we just choose (for whatever reason) to focus on one specific placement.

Another possibility that occurs to me is that the energy is actually fairly good for the specific people who vent because those we love and desire the most are typically the ones who can hurt us the most (and pain makes the best teacher, though we don't always learn the right lesson), so that when that specific placement hurts the normal way, it stings far worse than normal and thus a need to vent. And as the Buddhists say, desire leads to suffering and the only way to end the suffering is to end the desire.

It would also be interesting to see how many who agree with one being a poisonous placement are also agreeing with the others being poisonous placements as well...especially if they "notice that, too" which means they're noticing it in a lot of people which might mean it's not actually the placement(s) doing it.

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posted November 23, 2014 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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it would beg the question of what about our chart mixes wrong with that energy so that it stands out stronger than usual or if it's more accurate to say people are this way and we just choose (for whatever reason) to focus on one specific placement.

I've thought about this before..
What happens in my case is... when I get hurt in a particular way, I remember it in great detail. I'm very analytical so I analyse exactly how I felt and why I felt that way.. and I can remember it for years and years as clearly as if it happened yesterday.

When something similar happens in my life again --- when the situation is seemingly repeated, I check the second person's chart. And when there is an obvious commonality between the two (between the second person who hurt me, and the initial person who hurt me) - I do focus on that commonality.
That's when I start to think.. "Hang on a second.. Maybe I have an issue with this placement..."

Further... if I have similar experiences again and again.. (another three or four times) - and again that particular placement comes up in their chart... it ends up being a pattern. So that makes me wonder if I have karma with that particular placement, or if I'm doing something to attract this type of situation.

I do believe this is synastry related. I don't think it's a case of -people just being this way-. Each placement has a "vibe", or at least a spectrum of possible manifestations that still share a common vibe.

In the example I gave... that chain of experiences would *stand out* to me. It would involve particular types of experiences and a particular type of pain that these particular people (who have this commonality in their charts) have inflicted upon me.
I couldn't really compare this *type* of pain.. with the experiences I've had (positive or negative) with other individuals who don't have that placement in their chart. That's why it seems *unique* to that group.

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Another possibility that occurs to me is that the energy is actually fairly good for the specific people who vent because those we love and desire the most are typically the ones who can hurt us the most (and pain makes the best teacher, though we don't always learn the right lesson), so that when that specific placement hurts the normal way, it stings far worse than normal and thus a need to vent.

This seems true to me in theory... but in practice, I didn't truly love and desire the people who hurt me most.
Maybe it's any kind of intense feeling, not just love and desire.
The most intense feeling I had towards these people is one of intense *pity* - and, as weird as it may sound, it was intense to the point of being debilitating. So I really had to disengage.

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It would also be interesting to see how many who agree with one being a poisonous placement are also agreeing with the others being poisonous placements as well... especially if they "notice that, too" which means they're noticing it in a lot of people which might mean it's not actually the placement(s) doing it.

I see what you mean.
From my perspective this is never objective. What's toxic to one person can be beneficial to another.
Some people do have fixations.. so they might notice behaviour that bothers them in absolutely everyone..and then pinpoint placements to explain the behaviour. I don't think this is always the case though.

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PisceanDream
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posted November 24, 2014 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PisceanDream     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I find it so funny that you posted this thread because I, too, for a few weeks now having been thinking about all the negative generalizations and sign bashing I've been seeing here time and time again. Except, I was thinking of posting a thread as a form of collective therapy, where everyone takes it upon themselves to talk reckless sh*t about whatever sign they're hating on as a form of release but within a more appropriate context that doesn't interfere with describing or analyzing certain placements/energies in a more theoretical and informative fashion. I stopped contributing to Pisces threads because, in many cases, what I say (in forms of long and thorough posts) somehow always boils down to Pisces is a liar and a cheater. Seriously?

I get really tired of seeing all these posts that contribute nothing to certain threads but opining in what seems to be a very subjective and narrow-minded manner. Someone got cheated on by a Pisces therefore Pisces is a cheater. Someone got stung by a Scorpio therefore Scorpios are unwaveringly ruthless. I don't like this. It hampers the purpose of a thread, the exchange of interesting and reliable analyses and obviously, a positive atmosphere where people can discuss the placements in question without being gunned down by these odd and unwarranted "observations".

Sure, we all have an aversion to certain signs or energies, but that does not mean we get to make absolute statements on those signs. This becomes a matter of synastry, natal phenomena, and personal experience, as you were implying.

I like this idea that you're promoting, unfortunately the majority of people who make these generalizations are the very ones who will fail to contribute here in the way that you'd like. Which explains why this thread is "on fire"... Ridiculous.

I'll start though.

I have a marked aversion towards Aries. I don't judge people because they are Aries but, definitely, from the perspective of my natal, there is something about their energy that does not sit well, at least theoretically, with my identity, views, and personality.

Ironically, I have a 1st house stellium. I'm a total fire void and cardinal void. I have absolutely nothing that would aspect Aries in my chart in the form of conjunction, square, opposition or trine (only generational planets). I think, in a way, this implies a general and total discordance and lack of relatability with Aries. There is nothing in my chart that would indicate a potential depth of interaction with them. It's just not there.

Even Taurus, whom I also have a hard time really connecting with, can possibly affect me via it's potential square interaction with my Aqua ASC and Mars, and Scorpio MC. I get Taurus, although I am not particularly intrigued by Taurus.

Aries, I just don't get. At all and I think it is somehow expressed in my natal. For this reason, I believe this contributes to the aversion I feel towards them. Pullen says Mars is my strongest planet and Aries is my 2nd dominant sign. But I very strongly disagree with this. It's just because Mars is the closest planet to my ASC and I have a 1st stellium which I feel, and I've argued this a million times, gives the planets within it the Arian "heart on my sleeve" characteristic but certainly not the nature of Aries.

Capricorn does not personally aspect my planets either, but I am very Saturnine and have it on the cusp of my 12th. It's ruler, Saturn, is conjunct Sun (7th ruler), Mercury (5th and 8th ruler) and Venus and is in the 1st house. I've attracted so many Cap folk, so it works just fine because there is some kind of energy mirroring.

I hope this is kind of what you're looking for. I really would like to see more people who have an adequate understanding of astrology contribute to this thread. It's a good way to discuss the lack of affinity towards certain signs without getting lost in the chaos of our subjective experiences. This is not a psychology forum, though we can certainly discuss psychology in unison with astrology which is always interesting.

I'm going to soon post a thread that I would really like you to contribute in. You are well-versed when it comes to astrology and I've noticed your posts have a powerful philosophical undertone that I believe would be rather helpful to my question.

Love your allusion to the Buddhist problem of suffering! It fits very well within this context.

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PixieJane
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posted November 25, 2014 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PisceanDream:
I'm going to soon post a thread that I would really like you to contribute in. You are well-versed when it comes to astrology and I've noticed your posts have a powerful philosophical undertone that I believe would be rather helpful to my question.

Okay, let me know which one as I skip a lot of threads due to time constraints.

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PixieJane
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posted November 25, 2014 01:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the thoughts.

I'll throw in that I can see many possibilities for it, though what I see a lot of at LL does come off as silly to me as it gets so extreme and universal in its claim. Especially when each placement has its evolved and degraded positions (no placement is so perfect that it can't be poisoned, or so terrible as to be hopeless) AND will have several other aspects further affecting it, and that will then be affected by the synastry of people and even places around them. I used to tell people who dismissed astrology and couldn't understand why I accepted it that they didn't understand it and that it's not as simple as they think it is, but I've since learned many astrologers do think it's that simple so I don't know what I'll tell unbelievers in the future who ask me about it.

Think everyone born in the same ward with Dahmer grew up to be a serial killer? How about those with the same placements around the world that day?

If I'd been born in a different community or social class then the people around me would have reacted different to me, encouraged and discouraged me in different ways and as a result I'd be a different person though I'd still have the same astrological energy. An interesting encounter I had was being forced to sit next to a girl with the same birthday as me, even had almost the same name, and we were born at the same hospital...if anything was different in our charts it was our houses. I can point out how she and I had the same traits in so many ways, yet we were still unique individuals who, because of our upbringing, could not see eye to eye. She hated me, and I can see how her chart (and also being born Year of the Dog) played into that...whereas I didn't care one way or another about her as I had a different focus. She thought school was all important socially and for one's future and I was a threat that offended her vocal Sag stellium ethics and also saw me as disrupting the harmony of the school that her Libra sun & stellium prized. But to me school was a chore to endure in which my Sag ethics was opposed to (because school did more to impede learning and socialization rather than facilitate it) and Libra found inherently unfair and disharmonious and therefore endured it only as I must with me seeing real life being outside of it...and thus she (as part of school) did not matter to me.

I bet most astrologers here at LL would have never guessed us both to be Libra on the Scorpio cusp had they been a teacher at our school who saw us bicker (more her giving me a hard time and my shrugging her off, sometimes with a smart retort but not really caring), nor would guess we were born the same day looking at how feminine she was and tomboyish I was, how she worried about her nails and how I got around on a skateboard (not in school of course). We both had the same potential (or very close assuming our houses were different) but our lives shaped it in different ways...though it would be interesting to see where she is and what she's like today.

There's biology/medicine that makes a difference, too. Even diet changes things (with permanent effects in childhood) regardless of the astrological energy.

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