posted December 01, 2014 11:20 AM            

In my natal chart, I have quite a bit of t-squares. I have t-squares that are just fixed, I have t-squares that are just mutable, and then I have t-squares that have both in them.

The problem with this is that it forms 3 points of a grand cross (oppositions and everything) but the fourth square aspect needed to complete it doesn't exist because the orb is too wide. Would this still be a grand cross?

I've seen some chart interpretations done on other websites of Steve Jobs, and it claims he has a grand cross (steve jobs natal chart is the 4th one down) - http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectpatterns.html

But on astrotheme he has the configuration I mentioned above with only three points - http://www.astrotheme.com/astrology/Steve_Jobs

posted December 01, 2014 12:19 PM            

I have a grand water trine as follows

Asc 0° Sco
Venus 2+° Can
Saturn 5+° Pis

Because I use 3° orbs normally the Asc to Sat is too wide. But because Venus is in orb to both, I think it completes the connection. I know that when transits roll across the early degrees of Scorpio lots of things happen. I was sensitive to late October even before I understood astrology.

posted December 01, 2014 12:27 PM            

The orb that would complete the grand cross is between chiron (6 degrees virgo) and moon (24 degrees Taurus) so the orb needed would be 12 degrees, which I personally consider too far especially when aspecting an asteroid.

posted December 01, 2014 12:33 PM            

what is the question? The orbs to be used for 4th harmonic aspects?

The T/square cannot be a Grand Cross, it's an "incomplete" Grand Cross

posted December 01, 2014 12:41 PM            

Hi, Lets check out your Grand Cross.

In Astrology hard aspects cause tension.
Squares signify the need to compromise and oppositions signify the need to make a choice, it's one or the other.

With a Grand Cross, the four (planets) energies are working at cross purposes, and possibly nullifying each other. This can lead to indecisiveness and scattered energy.

The Grand Cross being closed off produces dynamic, self-motivated, and fiercely self-sufficient traits. They are driven, resource, and self-reliant.

This configuration produces enough tension to over come any obstacles and succeed.

Can you list your Grand Squares?
Each mode produces it's own specific challenges. The houses involved are important to pinpoint this energy.

If you are comfortable, post your chart but edit your personal info.

I'm looking forward to your response

posted December 02, 2014 01:42 PM            

A grand cross involving your MC may revolve around issues relating to your career and your social stance/what you do for a living.

posted December 02, 2014 03:17 PM            

Let's Start with your Ascendant, it squares your 3rd house stellium (Sun, Saturn, Mercury and Venus)
and your 9th house Chiron.

When the Sun makes a hard aspect to the Ascendant you find that your "core" (Sun) is at odds with the personality. Add to that Saturn who is serious and reflective.
The Sag Ascendant is spontaneous, adaptable, it kind of goes with the flow which is unlike Saturn's more reserved nature.
This is a good thing
You need a little resistance when dealing with Jupiter's (Ascendant Ruler) expansive nature. (Taurus Moon supports this).

Next T-Square is Pluto opposite Moon and square Sun/Saturn.
Moon opposite Pluto shows a tug of war for control with the Moon dominate.
Next is the Sun/Saturn which mediates the opposition between Moon/Pluto.
Here's another Sun (core) being at odds expressing the emotional nature. This is your security, most likely it is just suppressing your inner most feelings, they are private.

Did you have a traumatic event in your life at about 2 years of age that involved both of your parents? This would have a profound affect on your early life.

When the Sun and Saturn make a conjunction in the Natal and the Sun is before Saturn you count by progression for the Sun and Saturn to be exact, this can show a separation from the father

Except for the Ascendant your T-Squares fall in the Mutable houses which says Stay Focused

http://www.astro.com/mtp/mtpt72_e.htm

T-Square

Clare: The T-square is one of the major aspect patterns that can be found in the birth chart. A T-square is formed when there are two planets in opposition and one planet square to the opposition. Once again, T-squares are likely to be either cardinal, fixed or mutable. The planet at the apex, which squares both ends of the opposition, functions as the catalyst, mediating between the planets in opposition. This is an open, unstable, stressful aspect pattern but, like all aspects in the 'two' series, it is often extremely effective and dynamic. Let's have a look at your T-square. Would you like to describe it?

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