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musclecrab
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posted December 02, 2014 05:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for musclecrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good afternoon everyone (Long)

Background:
July 6 cancer -True cancer 2...I live breath and die by my emotions.

Her November 6th - Scorpio - Her job she lives in the limelight, her past 2 relationships ended terribly, both having cheated on her (which doesn't make any sense this girl is beyond beautiful)

I dont know anything else about our astrological charts but hope to collect more information with the upcoming weekend.

I've been speaking to a Scorpio woman for the last 3 months and its been a fantastic journey. She had her birthday recently with me and the night was more than special. The following night we went out for drinks with several of her close friends...this is where it goes down hill. Fueled by alcohol and passion we made love that night, basked in our radiance of each other and layed contemplating life...when ready to go a second round I mentioned something I used to do with an Ex... I have no idea why it came out of my mouth, but the minute it did, it infuriated her. Rightly so.

Ever since then there has been a HUGE elephant in the room. I've spoken with her about it on a few occasions via the telephone, but finally told her we need to talk in person, two weeks later she obliged. We hashed it out, I apologized for stepping way out of line and that night it felt like some of the spark returned to us. So nights go by, light text messaging back and forth, and we're supposed to hang out again. This is where it gets unusual. She's a mother to a little boy (5), the fathers dad passed away in a terrible car accident 4 years ago, I've only been dating this girl for 3 months and we've talked repeatedly that I wouldn't be able to meet her son for AWHILE.

We make plans to hang out a few nights later, and she brings her son with her. She told me that it was an option that night last minute, and knowing the importance he has on her I jumped at a chance to meet him. The meeting was beyond fantastic (I bought him hungry hungry hippos, we played with toy cars and I taught him the few things I know about mixed martial arts.) At the end of the night he said that "I remind him alot like himself, LOL."

Since then, she's distanced herself from me, she felt like me meeting her child that was was an 'unnecessary burden.' I didn't see it like that, and assured her on multiple occasions that not how I feel. I know its a Scorpio characteristic to disappear after a big life event (IE i met her son) but what confuses me is her current actions.

I called her last night expressing how much fun I had, and that I was sorry that work was pulling me hard in another direction with free time but that I wanted to see her. She mentioned her son again that "She wasn't sure how she felt about it, that it was a big deal, but didn't know if we'd work out. She likes hanging out with me, she likes getting to know me but wants to make sure that shes not the ONLY person i'm talking to."

Let me explain that statement...she still has an active tinder account, and I know she's keeping her dating options open...that's fine she's a grown woman. How long do I put up with this though? On one hand she makes these giant leaps with me, but then on the other hand she builds up these other guys on Tinder as if to buffer whatever negative reaction she may experience from me.

I know I've got to be patient...I know it could take months, year's to earn some of the trust I lost (quickly) but I'm so ready to commit myself to this one woman, that It kills me inside knowing that she's giving a part of herself to other willing gents.

I have an all day date with her Sunday where we are going wine tasting in a private vineyard...All feedback is welcome and warranted.

CLIFF NOTES******** Got Serious early with Scorpio, Bad experience, made up, She introduces me to Son, she's still on Tinder and has distance between us.

Thank you for reading.

-Musclecrab

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rojo_diosa
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posted December 02, 2014 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for rojo_diosa     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Scorpio women are... um ... complicated. You should learn more before you invest alot seriously. Since you may be a sensitive and family oriented, comfort loving crab (we all love hungry hungry hippos!)
You're both water signs, which is great. You could find out her moon, and ask the Scorpio women here what's up. Scorpio can be passionate and volatile people, especially when younger/unsettled, imo.

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hypatia238
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posted December 02, 2014 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by musclecrab:
Good afternoon everyone (Long)

Background:
July 6 cancer -True cancer 2...I live breath and die by my emotions.

Her November 6th - Scorpio - Her job she lives in the limelight, her past 2 relationships ended terribly, both having cheated on her (which doesn't make any sense this girl is beyond beautiful)



I feel you but cheating has nothing do with someone been beautiful or not and more to do with personality traits, availability or something missing in the relationship or both.

Sounds like she likes certain traits in guys that correlate with cheating it seems....

When you go after that guy that looks like a super model and all the girls are after chances are higher that he will cheat specially if he has a high sex drive..

If she goes after that guy that is more interested in spending time working on his hobbies than having sex everyday and that doesn't really notice when girls like him then he probably will never cheat.

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musclecrab
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posted December 03, 2014 01:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for musclecrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I appreciate everyone's response so far. The reading was a long one.

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posted December 03, 2014 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that woman is hysterical? I mean, just because you bring up your ex-girlfriend in a situation where it was a big FAIL, doesnt make it ok for her reaction to be so dramatic.
And also after you met her son, why is she reacting that way? I think it sounds awesome that you and her son get along well, but the fact that she doesn't really like that, means that she is probably not seeing your relationship as serious and that she still consider herself to be available.

So chances are that she's one of the more dramatic scorpios out there, you should look up the rest of her chart to see how good you really fit. I think just from what you wrote, astrology aside, that this woman could be kind of controlling and very demanding, so you should also know that it's not right if you should put up with everything she wants. Just be yourself completely and if she doesnt accept you then, she probably never will at all.

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posted December 03, 2014 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello musclecrab! Welcome to LL

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"For all those who believe, expect a miracle.”
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Vajra
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posted December 03, 2014 05:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Vajra     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I agree with everyone. Find out your moon signs. A lot of the time it can be more telling than sun signs.

Also. It doesn't look like she's at all serious about you. Yeah scorps will still act dramatic even if they aaren't serious about you. I mean some of them act dramatic around everyone. They'll freak out if someone they're not even interested in does something wrong. Or that's my experience with the men. If she's keeping her options open she's definately not interesed. Scorpios and most other people cheat only when they're not 100% into you. And you shouldn't settle for that. You sound like a sweet guy you deserve better.

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hypatia238
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posted December 03, 2014 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok my husband who is a libra (with mars conjunct uranus in scropio) when we started hanging out or dating he did not want to settle into a relationship and wanted to keep his options open but after a few months we did start to officially date. At some point in the beginning I could sense there was someone he was interested in or curious about so I said lets have an open relationship and he went for it; this probably lasted for about a month tops and then he said he did not want to continue having an open relationship.

In that month I saw two guys and I let him know; at the moment I did not actually want an open relationship but I value honesty and been real and since I could sense there is something he needed to get off his system I pushed for it bc I rather we are honest with each other.

He did not really end up hooking up with someone and met up once I think with a girl but he did not end up liking her or something...IDK.

The point is jealousy and fear of loss kicked in and he ended the open relationship arrangement which only lasted maybe a month.

After that he has never wanted to see other poeple ever again and we have been togehter for almost 8 years.

So my advice....she wants you to see other people then give her just that. She seems to like guys who see other people...I bet she likes the competition in an unconscious or conscious level so give her some competition!!!!!!!!! Lets see if then she still takes you for granted.

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musclecrab
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posted December 03, 2014 05:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for musclecrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really really appreciate the time everyone's placed about my current situation. If anything its made me feel 100% better about my current stance and treating her up till this point.

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hypatia238
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posted December 03, 2014 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good luck, let us know how it goes and which strategy works out or doesn't.

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musclecrab
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posted December 03, 2014 08:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for musclecrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does this work for my sign??

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musclecrab
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posted December 03, 2014 09:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for musclecrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Forgive me if this is the incorrect way to post my chart.

I was born on July 6, 1984 at 12:20am, Sacramento, California

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posted December 03, 2014 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She is doing what any woman with a child would do- act very defensive and be unsure as to what is best for her child in these situations.

Ironically, she has done the right thing by being upfront, introducing you to her kid and having you two bond.

Now i think she is doubting herself; did she make the right move in doing tha? What if you two don't last? etc I don't think she wants to be the typr of Mom twh keeps on introducing a parade of men to her kid on
a whim.

Its tough to date someone with kids, etehy want consistsnecy and stability, But if you are serious and this is something that you want long-term, behave very much like the grounded, stable and non-pushy man she wants.

You have you /Venus in Cancer in 4th- Deep natural love of commitment and home-life.But the Moon in Libra/7th makes you more of an idealist and romantic than someone realistic.

Add to that the Asc in Aries, very impatient and wanting things to pick up the pace etc.

Go easy on her and be consistent. You two should be fine when you take your time.

Assure her that you are in no hurry to go anywhere with anyone else. And that she is right by trusting you.

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posted December 04, 2014 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for musclecrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Vajra:
hi musclecrab,

a fello Cancer here, though female, who is with a Scorpio man, so I can empathize with your situation.
Nice to see an emotionally available water sign man being seriously interested and open to communicate honestly with a woman, btw - this board is full of stories of water sign men suddenly disappearing, behaving enigmatically, and the like! So kudos to you for being consistent in your emotions towards her.

This is also what I would advise you to try in that situation of yours: Just be consistent and stable. Especially in the beginning months of a relationship, some Scorps, especially those who have been burned badly like she has, are prone to displaying a lot of strange ("testing") behavior to see what you're made of. Therefore I would be careful about taking her advice of seeing other people. It is possible she means it, mind you, but equally possible it's just a kind of test (a dare) and if you do it, and tell her about it, you would have failed. From the one they love, Scorps tend to expect single-minded devotion, and playing around would kinda disqualify a person for such a role. So I would never try to make her jealous, and her strong (overblown, really) reaction of a reference to your ex shows she's perhaps even rather jealous for a Scorp.

Tough situation, really - you must make a decision whether you want her or not, and then, if you do, try to be consistent. Meeting the kid seems a huge display of trust on her part (I am a mother too so I know what it means, my kid has not met any of the guys I was dating before my current boyfriend). However, maybe she felt it was yet too early afterwards… Scorps can be contradictory like that, and very dramatic. Though I personally think what you did with her kid sounds great, who knows, she might expect you to be friendly but a little more distant with the kid? Hard to tell. Maybe, talking to her about her ideas of raising a son could give some clues.

Always remember that behind contradictory actions by Scorps, and behind the famous icing out periods, is usually some kind of fear - fear of abandonment or betrayal, fear of losing oneself in the other if the connection gets too deep too early, fear of becoming too vulnerable to a single person, etc. In my experience, Scorps really appreciate it if the other person can be (or seem to be, at least) more emotionally stable and mature than them. So, try not to react too strongly to her actions, and also, don't run after her. Do not seem needy, just be open and available. Be there for her when she wants you, but keep your dignity, and let her see that she needs to make an effort to be with you, too. My Scorp man has put me through a few crazy things too due to his intense emotional states, and has usually not apologized in words for it (the only time he did, he said "I am an idiot", but he did not say, please forgive me - and I think he would rather die than saying such a thing), but he has always apologized in actions. He always tries to make up for what he did wrong by showing me in practical ways how much he cares about me. I think Scorps in general appreciate actions more than words, so watch what you do even more than what you say, and also, watch her actions closely.

BTW, icing another person out for some time seems to be some kind of "standard" behavior if their feelings have been hurt, have received this treatment myself a few times, and such things were also discussed a lot on this board by many different people who were dating Scorpios. In such phases I would recommend not to blow up her phone, just send one friendly message to show you're ready to have contact, and then, LIVE YOUR LIFE and try not to think about her. Either she comes round or she doesn't, but you will only prolong the limbo by waiting anxiously, or even drive her away with displays of neediness. It's a sort of immaturity on their part, and I think Scorps need the time alone to figure out the chaos of their emotions by themselves first. Try to get a time-consuming hobby that will take your thoughts away from her and make sure you are stable and grounded in yourself.

What would really help a lot is if you could at least find out both your Moon signs, as the Moon describes the emotional nature of a person. Better yet would be posting your complete natal charts and synastry chart (from Astro.com). If you have no clue how to do it, you could write down your and her birth data including birth time (or write "unknown birth time") and birth location, so someone more experienced can cast the charts and post them for you for other users to interpret. That way it would be possible to look for detailed reasons for her behavior towards you, and point out areas of concern or areas where everything works out well.

As this is a relationship topic, this thread could soon be moved to Interpersonal Astrology, BTW. If not Astro-specific, you can also post relationship questions at Soul Unions, there have been several Scorpio women around lately who might give you some advice on her perspective.



I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate the time you placed into this response. I've read it a few times over the last couple of days and it's given me quite a bit of comfort despite the turmoil going through my mind.

Thanks again.

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posted December 04, 2014 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for musclecrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
You have you /Venus in Cancer in 4th- Deep natural love of commitment and home-life.But the Moon in Libra/7th makes you more of an idealist and romantic than someone realistic.

Add to that the Asc in Aries, very impatient and wanting things to pick up the pace etc.


What does this mean, for me as a cancer, an Idealist and Romantic rather than someone realist?

Ugh...that explains a ton about me regarding Asc in Aries...I'm incredibly impatient, especially when it comes to text messages. She'll text me...I respond an hour later...she responds 7 hours later. I've never said anything it just drive me nutty (secretly)

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posted December 04, 2014 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by musclecrab:
What does this mean, for me as a cancer, an Idealist and Romantic rather than someone realist?

What I mean by that is that an idealist and romantic will believe that if two people love each other, all is possible. Any obstacle can be overcome.

A realist is someone who says that things are only possible if the two parties are willing to work at it. Do the ground work thoroughly.

An idealist expects the path to be smoother and "wishing" will make it so. Just remember why you love each other

The realist is aware that things may not always smell rosy. That the objective is not always clear and hope can be hard to come by.

An idealist wants the relationships to progress to the happy place they envision in their head.Full of promise.

The realist asks many question; why is this person good for me? What does this mean long-term? Am i ready for this? Who am I becoming because of this relationship?


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posted December 04, 2014 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for musclecrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
What I mean by that is that an idealist and romantic will believe that if two people love each other, all is possible. Any obstacle can be overcome.

A realist is someone who says that things are only possible if the two parties are willing to work at it. Do the ground work thoroughly.

An idealist expects the path to be smoother and "wishing" will make it so. Just remember why you love each other

The realist is aware that things may not always smell rosy. That the objective is not always clear and hope can be hard to come by.

An idealist wants the relationships to progress to the happy place they envision in their head.Full of promise.

The realist asks many question; why is this person good for me? What does this mean long-term? Am i ready for this? Who am I becoming because of this relationship?


So with the knowledge that I'm an idealist with my head in the clouds, is it instead one of those things where I need to constantly reevaluate where i stand within my relationships rather than getting by on a hope and a prayer? I'm guilty of wanting the fairy tale romance right out of the gates, and sometimes expect that once the initial spark is there it'll stay there.

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posted December 05, 2014 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by musclecrab:
So with the knowledge that I'm an idealist with my head in the clouds, is it instead one of those things where I need to constantly reevaluate where i stand within my relationships rather than getting by on a hope and a prayer? I'm guilty of wanting the fairy tale romance right out of the gates, and sometimes expect that once the initial spark is there it'll stay there.

You mentioned that you had an Aries Asc with your romantic Libra Moon. So you are GUILTY as charged

But this Scorpio is not coming into this relationship alone. She has got more to risk than her heart; And that is her precious son.

She loves that boy more than anything right now. As she is the only consistency that matters in his life. And everything else comes 2nd to that.

So you had a great bonding session with her boy the first you met. Big whoop(sorry to sound cynical)

But you need to convince her that he matters more to you than just scoring points with her.

That somehow he adds an intrinsic value to the man that you want to be. That there is really no turning back once you are in it. Even when the relationship with her "ends"...

Can you do that Mr Libra Moon? Can you love her child more than you love her?

The best way to love a mother is through her children. It works without fail.

You must love that boy with all your heart. And see him as a part of you.

There is no way that she will resist that kind of man. No Scorpio woman or any woman for that matter, can ever resist a man who takes the child of another and LOVES them thoroughly as their own.

Think about it....

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I'm not sure I agree, Aries23Degrees. Only because I feel like this is headed in a really negative direction. I don't like it when Plutonian people 'bait' me or make me jump through hoops to prove something when they aren't willing to go the extra mile and a half for me. If MuscleCrab tries to devote himself to Scorp girl's son, it seems like he'll be doing more harm than good, according to her skewed logic--he had a great time with her son, and was loving toward him, I got a nice vibe from what I read, but this caused doubt and retreat instead of appreciation. I feel like people like her are just annoying. Their emotional responses are completely abnormal, and MuscleCrab is such a sweet, caring guy that he'll take the BS and even try to psychoanalyze it as a means to help her through this 'difficult' time when really she sounds like she has to go to a therapist and work out some serious personal problems. I hope I don't sound mean, I'm just really tired of seeing people get taken advantage of.

Some Plutonian people I've known have been this way. They withdraw and get freaked out when they sense major changes coming on in themselves or in relationships. And caring, sweet people, usually Cancerians or Pisceans, will try to deal with this crap instead of recognizing that these people have a lot of growing to do and that they shouldn't act as a lifecoach to them. Anyway, she sounds like she is in full-on defense mode and very confused about what she wants. I think someone here mentioned 'hysteria' and I'm not sure I'd use as strong of a word but I do sense chaotic, scattered energy inside of her, and some of it is very angry. I feel like MuscleCrab, you may end up jumping through hoop after hoop only to find she is unhappy anyway, and it isn't your fault. She sounds picky and willing to fight about anything because a genuinely nice guy MUST be trying to pull the wool over her eyes! That is literally the logic I am sensing from her. It's all rooted in one of our very basic emotions, fear. So you can either deal with the BS and may find yourself cast out anyway, or move on early before the drama gets worse. She's using the tinder thing, by the way, as a defense mechanism in order to keep herself from obsessing over you and getting too devoted in case you cheat or end the relationship. Again, it's all insecurity and based off FEAR. So you have to consider all these factors and if a person like this is worth waiting around for to grow.

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posted December 06, 2014 04:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
I'm not sure I agree, Aries23Degrees. Only because I feel like this is headed in a really negative direction. I don't like it when Plutonian people 'bait' me or make me jump through hoops to prove something when they aren't willing to go the extra mile and a half for me. If MuscleCrab tries to devote himself to Scorp girl's son, it seems like he'll be doing more harm than good, according to her skewed logic--he had a great time with her son, and was loving toward him, I got a nice vibe from what I read, but this caused doubt and retreat instead of appreciation. I feel like people like her are just annoying. Their emotional responses are completely abnormal, and MuscleCrab is such a sweet, caring guy that he'll take the BS and even try to psychoanalyze it as a means to help her through this 'difficult' time when really she sounds like she has to go to a therapist and work out some serious personal problems. I hope I don't sound mean, I'm just really tired of seeing people get taken advantage of.

Some Plutonian people I've known have been this way. They withdraw and get freaked out when they sense major changes coming on in themselves or in relationships. And caring, sweet people, usually Cancerians or Pisceans, will try to deal with this crap instead of recognizing that these people have a lot of growing to do and that they shouldn't act as a lifecoach to them. Anyway, she sounds like she is in full-on defense mode and very confused about what she wants. I think someone here mentioned 'hysteria' and I'm not sure I'd use as strong of a word but I do sense chaotic, scattered energy inside of her, and some of it is very angry. I feel like MuscleCrab, you may end up jumping through hoop after hoop only to find she is unhappy anyway, and it isn't your fault. She sounds picky and willing to fight about anything because a genuinely nice guy MUST be trying to pull the wool over her eyes! That is literally the logic I am sensing from her. It's all rooted in one of our very basic emotions, fear. So you can either deal with the BS and may find yourself cast out anyway, or move on early before the drama gets worse. She's using the tinder thing, by the way, as a defense mechanism in order to keep herself from obsessing over you and getting too devoted in case you cheat or end the relationship. Again, it's all insecurity and based off FEAR. So you have to consider all these factors and if a person like this is worth waiting around for to grow.


I actually agree with you wholeheartedly.

The thing that I am trying most to emphasize here is that he should evaluate if he is ready for such a relationship?

I was talking from the perspective of a well-rounded woman who is sick of all the BS and is just looking for a decent guy.

This woman is someone who is aware of the complexities of dating(with children in tow) and so, stability is the magic word for her when it comes to choosing a man.

From the example given, I get the impression that this woman self-doubts and second guesses herself a lot-because there is a child involved.

And perhaps her reasons are intertwined into not letting the child meet differing men who come in and out of her life all the time.All for the sake of dating.

She might be emotionally retarded.Yes. Barely the kind of woman that I have described above.But all the same,the Cancer guy must still decide if this is worth the effort?

If he is just looking for a good time(which I don't gather from what he has written),he would not be so concerned about bonding with her child.

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posted December 06, 2014 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sweet-scorpion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
I actually agree with you wholeheartedly.

The thing that I am trying most to emphasize here is that he should evaluate if he is ready for such a relationship?

I was talking from the perspective of a well-rounded woman who is sick of all the BS and is just looking for a decent guy.

This woman is someone who is aware of the complexities of dating(with children in tow) and so, stability is the magic word for her when it comes to choosing a man.

From the example given, I get the impression that this woman self-doubts and second guesses herself a lot-because there is a child involved.

And perhaps her reasons are intertwined into not letting the child meet differing men who come in and out of her life all the time.All for the sake of dating.

She might be emotionally retarded.Yes. Barely the kind of woman that I have described above.But all the same,the Cancer guy must still decide if this is worth the effort?

If he is just looking for a good time(which I don't gather from what he has written),he would not be so concerned about bonding with her child.


I'm glad you understand what I was trying to say. However even as I was reading your reply I still have a bad feeling about this chick. When you said she's well-rounded, I immediately thought, Nope! Because nobody well-rounded is going to lose her **** just because a guy mentions something he used to do [and I am assuming non-sexual, lol] with an ex. She sounds like she has a boatload of emotional problems and could benefit from a therapist. If she's on the defense about her kid, which makes sense, MuscleCrab's awesome display of caring and kindness should have opened doors in her heart, not closed them. This is what I mean. All her responses are completely backward.

I agree that MC needs to evaluate if he's ready to deal with someone so complex and frustrating who may play push/pull games. I was actually thinking she might have some form of BPD when I was reading this. Anyone else get that?

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posted December 06, 2014 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for musclecrab     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sweet scorpion and Aries23 I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate the well rounded discussion with focus and emphasis on my current conundrum. I hear both of your advice loud and clear... Just a minor update

I reached out to her yesterday morning about a series of intense events that happened the night before all of which she's had insight on. (I knew this prior to the text and was using it to feed into her helper nature). She responded right away, and I wasn't able to communicate back till later that afternoon. After my response I segwayed into talks about or Sunday date and offered instead of wine tasting, involving her son in the day and taking him to my cities Christmas lights parade. That was yesterday at 2 with zero response back. She was hosting a club event that night so I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that she obviously was tied up too. I keep waning back and forth as to what the right decision is going to be... Because obviously being a cancer man toxic relationships pull the worst out of me. If she does flaked tomorrow I've decided to take the NC route, better myself and begin the healing process this Scorpio has done on my mind.

I appreciate your continued support to this lil old newbie

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Originally posted by musclecrab:
Sweet scorpion and Aries23 I can't tell you enough how much I appreciate the well rounded discussion with focus and emphasis on my current conundrum. I hear both of your advice loud and clear... Just a minor update

I reached out to her yesterday morning about a series of intense events that happened the night before all of which she's had insight on. (I knew this prior to the text and was using it to feed into her helper nature). She responded right away, and I wasn't able to communicate back till later that afternoon. After my response I segwayed into talks about or Sunday date and offered instead of wine tasting, involving her son in the day and taking him to my cities Christmas lights parade. That was yesterday at 2 with zero response back. She was hosting a club event that night so I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that she obviously was tied up too. I keep waning back and forth as to what the right decision is going to be... Because obviously being a cancer man toxic relationships pull the worst out of me. If she does flaked tomorrow I've decided to take the NC route, better myself and begin the healing process this Scorpio has done on my mind.

I appreciate your continued support to this lil old newbie

Musclecrab


No problem at all. I can tell you're a nice guy with a big heart, and family is important to you. Again I'm emphasizing that I sense fear, more than anything else, from her and it's causing her to play push/pull games and this troubles me -- drawing you in and then pushing you away is going to do a number on you emotionally. I would try to talk to her about how you're confused about some of her emotional responses, since they don't make a lot of apparent sense. Maybe she just isn't ready for a committed, loving relationship that can take on a family-centric vibe. I'm getting this feeling too. If someone is too afraid to be vulnerable they won't want commitment. Seems like she's unsure if she wants you around as a stable figure, not because you're a bad guy, but because she has trust issues.

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Update Long (because there's a ton of importance in here):

So last night I was supposed to hang out with her, and her son and take them both to my cities light parade. That morning I received a text from her saying how excited she was, but that she was adding one more, her younger sister (8 years old, She's 27). I agreed, went the extra mile and bought an unlimited ride pass for her sister and they all arrived at my house at 5:30 last night. The event was about an hour away and she needed gas. No big deal. We stopped at a gas station, put gas in her car and then went to start the thing...

Dead.

I tried jumping her car with the kindest help from a fellow pedestrian but to no avail. I pushed her car out of the gas station and into its side parking lot while we wait for a Tow.

She was distraught, constantly apologizing for ruining our plans. My exact words to her where "Don't worry about it. Life happens in the most random of ways. I'm not upset, I'm just happy you're ok and we have some control of the situation. I'm calm, cool, and collected. Let my comfort in the situation put your mind a little more at ease."

Fast forward, I retrieved my car down the street, put two kids seats into the back of it, we all piled in, and followed the tow truck driver down the street to her local mechanic and ditched her car for the night. Not wanting to completely ruin plans for my new little passengers I offered to save the night and take the group bowling. The kids squealed with delight and my Scorpio partner agreed. Once at the bowling alley I told myself I was going to focus all of my time and attention on these two little rug rats. My scorpio was still kind of stewing about the whole night. I was able to get the bumper lanes up for them both, and regardless of the outcome (how many pins where downed) I celebrated like they had just learned the formula for curing cancer. They loved it. I loved it. I was having a blast. We had this little ritual where anytime I went to bowl the two little ones would touch the ball for luck. Eventually my Scorpio came around and wanted to be part of the ritual too...and here's where it once again got weird.

I touched the bowling ball, the kids both did, and when I brought the bowling ball to her...she put her breasts on the ball rather than her hands. Now I've mentioned to you her career focuses on her being in the limelight, and being desired by men (all an illusion mind you) but this act threw me WAY off...it was in front of her son???

Fast forward. We finish the game, she needs to run a few errands before going home and I jump at a chance to keep hanging with her son and her sister. The errand was to a grocery store around the corner and while driving there her son made comment about 'Who won the game, and that technically Mom lost because she didn't play' (mind you this is a very intelligent 5 year old) We all had a little laugh about it, and while paying attention to the road I felt a bit of steel pushed against my lips. She said to me with a devilish grin "Who lost?" When she removed the steel...I saw a serrated pocket knife that was originally against my face....what the heck??

We're at the grocery store now. The kids place endless amounts of fruit into my shopping cart, all of which I buy (I swear I'll eat it) and we venture back outside with her errands complete. She mentioned that she'd just have 'her mom pick them all up' because it was right down the street from her house. When we got outside, a small beat up van was parked beside my car. I drove the shopping cart with kids in it, up to my car and the van and while heading that direction she made another comment

"I can't believe how much my son likes you...I mean he really likes you, almost too much." We finally made it to her car "Omg It didn't even dawn on me that you'll meet my mom...I hope she doesn't get out of the car"

I met her mom with a smile, a firm handshake talked with her for a few minutes, put my focus back on her son and sister and made sure that their car seats where in the van, secured and their little buns planted firmly in it.

My Scorpio lady checked over my work, and then threw her arms around my neck saying "Thank you for everything tonight...thank you so much."

I woke up to a text from her this morning which read:

Hey you, good morning. Just wanted you to know my mom approved. lol. Thank you again for all your help last night. The kids had fun. Hope you enjoyed your evening last night. Sorry it didn't work out according to plan. Talk to you soon.

So...my astrology based friends here's where I'm at:

I strongly believe she's now VERY emotionally immature when it comes to how a proper relationship should be, can be.(evidence based on her actions IN FRONT of her child)

I'm questioning whether or not where she's at in her current life path, if she's ready for a grounded man in her life.

As usual. All feedback is welcomed.

Musclecrab

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