posted December 13, 2014 09:17 AM            

I write a lot of scifi and the like and one thing I've generally assumed without thinking about it is that people generally adapt to their circumstances (unless there's some overriding obsession in place, and of course survival almost always trumps all other concerns). In extreme cases an apocalypse can create a clean slate so that rivals no longer have to be because now they need each other despite that they'd been enemies before. Another sitch is where an organization falls and now enemies of the agents of that organization want to recruit those they used to work against as the old allegiance had been destroyed so that enemies could be, if approached correctly and fast enough, turned into assets...which could result in former rivals in the field suddenly forced to work together by their supervisor.

On a more subtle level, sometimes people with common interests for themselves work together against their respective governments on behalf of unique individuals as themselves (such as bio-engineered psychics that governments created only to fear but value them and try to control or eliminate in ruthless ways that made it clear to the psychics that they were but slaves to inferior beings so some among them propose becoming a shadow government to the world--complicated to explain, the important part is that the message was they were the next step in human evolution and deserved neither enslavement nor eradication by their inferiors and that the nations that created them were all oppressors they needed to ally against rather than being used against each other).

Or in a far future scifi of mine two worlds (of humans) that utterly loathe each other...I mean far more than the USA and USSR during the Cold War and the atrocities against each other were horrific in the telling and impossible to replicate today (though war is officially over, but both sides are still fighting it in the shadows and plan to break an intergalactic treaty to destroy the other, damn the consequences from the rest of the galaxy, the moment one can do so without being destroyed itself in the process)...were forced to order their respective agents normally seeking to harm and even kill the others to prevent an artificial intelligence made during the days of war that has resurfaced from continuing its war that it can't stop. One side faces the eradication of its colony by the digital intelligence/giant war bot (with more space worth combat robots at its command) that would cut off resources and leave them vulnerable to many enemies as a result while the other side, the only ones who know how to stop it, will face the collective galactic wrath that will side with their enemies if their rogue AI destroys the colony (and they're not ready to go that far yet).

Natch, neither side trusts the other and are forced to work together while the rogue AI comes to see them all as the enemy and...well, no zombies or mutants but it's about like that AI of Umbrella Corporation in Resident Evil and agents on both sides are forced to save each other's lives over and over again (or they're all dead and their mission fails). By the time their survival no longer depends on mutual cooperation I decided enough of a bond formed that they don't try to kill each other (though both sides are in a position to do so and get away with it after) which leads to some complex and divided loyalties in the ongoing space opera...sure, they realize one day they may be mortal enemies again and that knowledge influences their actions so they can't fully trust each other but at the same time there's a grudging mutual respect that makes them wonder how much better life would be if they were friends instead of enemies (though being disposable agents and mercs they don't have much power over intergalactic affairs, not even in their own respective stellar nations that would make their lives difficult--even forfeit--if they were openly preach such).

Thing is my chart is mostly cardinal and mutable with very little fixed energy, and I can certainly mix among many groups comfortable with the transition and I keep certain things in mind when dealing with other people that might influence their actions and responses. And maybe that's blinding me to some characterization in my fics.

posted December 14, 2014 06:55 PM            

i'm very fixed in my chart. I'd say one of the negative and positive things about fixed signs is that there's a desire to be right above a lot of things. Well, I'm assuming this isn't just a personal flavour to my fixed signs. So, whilst there's a deep root in one position, thought etc even more than pride, ego, commitment is this wanting to be right and other things come after that. There's a point that can be bad and much clinging to the masts but I think in a strange way it's because whilst change and flexibility is rarer, it's so full on when it does occur that possibly it's as likely with a fixed sign than a mutable. Because a fixed even might have this ideas planted deep - the area where the foundations of a situation themselves are rooted that's also where they can be dug up especially if patriotism might occupy more superficial levels. And probably hope to sift out any ideological swaying hence being so sure they are right. I don't understand patriotism or secularism .. to me those things build up in everyday, mutable territory. But I've been lucky not to live in a country facing the confrontational side of either.

posted December 15, 2014 04:55 AM            

I am a fixed, Cardinal split, 42,38 and a 20 mutable.

So probably not immensely helpful.

I'm just going to theory craft here. In my own experience, I wonder if anyone can learn to work with others with whom enmity was once shared. There will always be that tiny lingering, what if? In the back of my mind. You can forgive, sure, but you can't forget. I wonder if it is part of the survival instinct, something was once a threat, so it will always potentially be a threat.

If I were to strike closer to home, look at France in World War I & II. Now if you go back to 1803-1815. France was warring with all of Europe, and invading Russia as well. Fast forward a century and they were the UK's choice of ally as well as many other countries. Puzzling? World War I perhaps not, but in WW2, Germany definitely invited Britain to join the Axis alliance, but they sided with France instead, despite a bitter rivalry during the Napoleonic wars, as well as France helping America secure it's independence from the great nation of Britain. With all that behind them, they worked together for a solid 30 years, through the world wars and the cold war. There are still some lingering tensions, but nothing overtly hostile. You don't walk down the street in either country as a citizen of the other and feel unsafe of threatened.

So in short, I would say it is possible, all you have to do is look to the past of human history. When the need arises, anyone can work together, and given enough time can have a positive relationship.

posted December 15, 2014 02:57 PM            

Still I am very stubborn. I am able to wipe the slate clean, but only if I know i will never ever look back again. And many times I do this. But again. That is when I knoe I am completely done with it and will never ever look back.

posted December 16, 2014 05:55 AM            

I have lot of Fire Aries Moon and Sag stellium with Scorpio Sun.

Having Saturn Return in 11th/12th I would say has led me to forgive lots of friends/family so I think yes, I would absolutely do not like people but there are certain previous past history or links which would be rear to be found and in need I would have to mend my ways. I think relationship has so far everybody wants to get along.

I think giving people time to think on what they have done is great one. It is also thinking of "Why" or understanding their perspective is great but that wouldn't change the fact that I wouldn't trust then with certain areas of my life.