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ScorpieScorp
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posted August 18, 2015 11:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've been exploring Karma and why we are who we are and why things happen to us.

My question is--do you believe that celebrities are stationed there because they have great karma and now have been placed as "gods" or "royals" in the land of humans?

What about beauty? Did someone do something amazing in their past lives to have been reincarnated in this life as beautiful (I'm thinking of models, etc)...

Finally, besides nodes, what else do you look for in an astrology chart to figure out your own karma?

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posted August 18, 2015 11:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ReadingTheStars95     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The major indicators outside of Nodes would probably have to be Saturn, Retrograde Planets, and the Angles.. Especially the IC and MC probably (sometimes I almost see the IC as a bit similar to the South Node and the MC a bit similar to the North Node)...

Also.. Learning about the Draconic chart may be worthwhile..

Asteroids are probably one of the other most significant parts within astrology to really look at for more personal karma, but, that is a subject in and of itself altogether.. haha..

I would say the 12th house also tends to be pretty karmic. However, as all the water houses tend to deal with things that are behind the surface, I think it could be possible to say that in some cases the water houses can be pretty karmic.. Especially if the planets in those houses are also in retrograde..


Certain aspect patterns can even show certain kinds of karma..

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posted August 19, 2015 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes beauty is a curse, so I do think it could be karmic...a lesson you must learn in how not to fall into the trap of thinking beauty has any true value other than being a gift you didn't work for. It has value only when its handled with modesty and humility.
I think that's the karmic challenge, can you be given this gift that elevates you among ego driven ppl and not fall into the trap of thinking your special just because they do?
Can you let the soul and your heart see beyond the superficial physical appearance or do you think being pretty is all that matters?

Plus being beautiful usually goes hand in hand with low self esteem...go figure but it's the truth. It only turns into a curse when you forget appearances only matter to the ego. The heart is the only place that holds true beauty and the heart doesn't see the physical.


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posted August 19, 2015 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What if in their past life they were really unattractive and unpopular and to evolve their soul they must experience what it's like to have this?

Leonardo Dicaprio is one of those people. I can tell that he is new to what he is experiencing in this life. It's because he cannot settle down. Only an unevolved soul wants to bed as many pretty women as possible even in to his old age. It's a balancing for him.

Anyway beauty is so much more than what you look like.

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posted August 19, 2015 12:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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What if in their past life they were really unattractive and unpopular and to evolve their soul they must experience what it's like to have this?

Leonardo Dicaprio is one of those people. I can tell that he is new to what he is experiencing in this life. It's because he cannot settle down. Only an unevolved soul wants to bed as many pretty women as possible even in to his old age. It's a balancing for him.

Anyway beauty is so much more than what you look like.


Leonardo has Libra rising!

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posted August 19, 2015 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A buddhist once told me that people who are incarnated as really physically beautiful were really selfless, giving, and optimistic in many past lives. They were also nice, kind, polite, etc, etc.

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posted August 19, 2015 12:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are some beings on earth whose past lives are irrelevant and have chosen to volunteer to come to earth to help the human race. Many of these souls have very hard charts but that doesn't mean they were bad in their past life. It means the are expected to transcend that negativity out of the reality of what they were born into.


But NN tells a lot about a soul and its age. NN in Pisces is most likely an older soul. Or in the 12th house.

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posted August 19, 2015 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've read that being gorgeous and famous, isn't proof of wonderful karma. I can't remember where I read it, but they said it was more likely that they are younger souls, and need an easier life (or something like that).

I would think that someone who was successful, gorgeous, and grounded/real/exceptional in some real way - including what they do (and not famous because they're pretty), might have some really good karma, especially if they're really good people.

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posted August 19, 2015 02:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bansheequeen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think beauty is a test to see what kind of karma you will receive in another life. Some people think they are better than others because they look good, others are still good people inside.

Also its just a test in a single lifetime as well. Because physical beauty inevitably fades. Some people get ruined when it does, they lose all self worth or they desperately try to cling to fading beauty. Others learn that there is more to life than being really really ridiculously good looking, so they transcend.

Also I think see that famous people are "gods" or even worshipped. I think the pluto in scorpio generation exposed famous people for what they really are, human beings like the rest of us. Pluto in scorpio dug up mysteries and shared and exposed it with everyone else. In a way I see pluto as anti neptune. "look at the dirty truth and devour it!"

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posted August 19, 2015 05:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by teasel:
I've read that being gorgeous and famous, isn't proof of wonderful karma. I can't remember where I read it, but they said it was more likely that they are younger souls, and need an easier life (or something like that).

I would think that someone who was successful, gorgeous, and grounded/real/exceptional in some real way - including what they do (and not famous because they're pretty), might have some really good karma, especially if they're really good people.


This is worth pondering

The more attractive people tend to be treated or regarded differently than others.And this is true of both sexes.

Venus after all does speak of "ease". And if it conjuncts Sun(Life),one can conclude that the "beauty aspect"- Venus-Sun- may suggest a native who wants an easy(Venus) life(Sun)?

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posted August 19, 2015 10:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great karma? No.

But they have replaced gods and royalty in many ways from a sociological point of view in that society is obsessed with them and that they serve as a social glue and bonding experience as mythic and royal figures used to do.

Models display only a certain and very rare type of beauty but life isn't great for many of them. My mother was a professional model and there is no way in hell she could be said to have "good karma" despite her beauty. She suffered so badly (before, during, and after being a model) that I feel uncomfortable giving all the details. She also worked very hard (and I'd say an unhealthy obsession born of terrible experiences she endured as a child) to look as she did and then pursue modeling, a profession that was crawling with snakes (but then she was one of them). Not that I mean to say that everyone involved is.

Modeling agencies also serve the cosmetic and fashion industry and they have a reason to extol a certain kind of beauty that's very hard in order to create insecurities that are ridiculous (like about height) so that they can sell their snake oils. That strikes me as creating a very bad karma, whether they intentionally hurt anyone or know not what they do.

Of course beauty comes about by many factors in this world like money and how you care for yourself. If you don't take good care of your teeth then they probably won't look that good, for example, and it helps to take good care of them if you have the money to. Of course if you define beauty as strictly limited to "models" then money is pretty much required given the work that goes into making them look that way (especially when doing runways or advertisements where professional crews are working on them and you couldn't possibly make yourself look like that without a crew helping, and sometimes they even have to severely limit their movement to keep up the appearance, at least in the days before photoshopping).

I've always wanted to show my mom this vid to ask her what she thinks of it as watching it reminded me of the horror stories she told (though she perversely seemed to enjoy it and considered her modeling career as her glory days):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhC1pI76Rqo

As for celebrities, their own lives tend to be messed up, though it's complicated in that sometimes they make it appear more messed up than it is in order to get us talking about them (which creates recognition and thus marketability, that is profit, the "dirty laundry" itself being window dressing and a type of performance, and even US politicians have learned to do this, gaining votes by being offensive and obnoxious which gets them more publicity). And I personally couldn't stand the lack of privacy they have.

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posted August 19, 2015 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
A buddhist once told me that people who are incarnated as really physically beautiful were really selfless, giving, and optimistic in many past lives. They were also nice, kind, polite, etc, etc.

I agree! They must learn the other side of the coin...the karmic lesson is to not allow the beauty to change your soul. Can you continue to maintain the humility even while ppl are praising your physical appearance and feeding your ego. Can you raise yourself above that and still love with all your heart?

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posted August 19, 2015 10:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Btw, thought I'd share this song as it's fun to watch and about beauty & popularity (though watching their characters--who are the ones destined to grow into Glinda the Good Witch who is beautiful and the Wicked Witch of the West who is considered ugly--develop whether it's in the intense novel or the fun musical here is much more compelling):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2dRALQ8-pI

Though for what it's worth you don't need good looks to have charisma. A person can look downright grotesque but still fascinate people or inspire respect (likewise you can be a beautiful celebrity and not be popular, few would say they're fans of Paris Hilton though she would be an example many would think of when it comes to beauty). This even includes some celebrities though I don't want to name names given how some people would feel the need to defend them despite that I meant no attack. And with that in mind I thought I'd share some of the character growth as Elphie/Elphaba becomes the Wicked Witch (though not really evil, just out of favor with the corrupt and oppressive authorities) with Glinda (formerly Galinda but after a talking Goat professor was murdered by bigots she took the name Glinda in honor of her dead mentor as that's how he pronounced it):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g4ekwTd6Ig

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posted August 19, 2015 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
I think beauty is a test to see what kind of karma you will receive in another life. Some people think they are better than others because they look good, others are still good people inside.

Also its just a test in a single lifetime as well. Because physical beauty inevitably fades. Some people get ruined when it does, they lose all self worth or they desperately try to cling to fading beauty. Others learn that there is more to life than being really really ridiculously good looking, so they transcend.

Also I think see that famous people are "gods" or even worshipped. I think the pluto in scorpio generation exposed famous people for what they really are, human beings like the rest of us. Pluto in scorpio dug up mysteries and shared and exposed it with everyone else. In a way I see pluto as anti neptune. "look at the dirty truth and devour it!"


I love your insight about Pluto in Scorpio--I think that's so true for that generation! Stars are starting to feel more and more like they are just like everyone else...(well kind of..)

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posted August 19, 2015 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Others learn that there is more to life than being really really ridiculously good looking


Haha that is a line straight out of Zoolander and all I can see is Derek Zoolanders stupid mopey face saying "maybe there's more to life than just being really really ridiculously good looking."

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posted August 19, 2015 03:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by ScorpieScorp:
I've been exploring Karma and why we are who we are and why things happen to us.

My question is--do you believe that celebrities are stationed there because they have great karma and now have been placed as "gods" or "royals" in the land of humans?

What about beauty? Did someone do something amazing in their past lives to have been reincarnated in this life as beautiful (I'm thinking of models, etc)...

Finally, besides nodes, what else do you look for in an astrology chart to figure out your own karma?



Yes, you can include your wish to be beautiful and famous so that they'll be admired. Some have chosen their path to be born to be an 'idol'. So can you if you know how to.

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posted August 19, 2015 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
A buddhist once told me that people who are incarnated as really physically beautiful were really selfless, giving, and optimistic in many past lives. They were also nice, kind, polite, etc, etc.

Not all people are your run of the mill glossy magazine models but still appears to us beautiful. *Inner shine* Quite often those that seems to have just about talent but get promoted to No.1 chart etc e.g. Justin Beaver, Katie Parry etc.... they have sold their souls to the...you know who. That's how the industry works.

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posted August 19, 2015 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just because someone has gazillion $$$ or beauty doesn't make them evolved. There are many example of bankers who would eventually commit suicide or get *suicided*, this also extend to musicians. e.g. Kurt Cobain, Witney Houston, Marilyn Monroe.....

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posted August 20, 2015 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Just because someone has gazillion $$$ or beauty doesn't make them evolved. There are many example of bankers who would eventually commit suicide or get *suicided*, this also extend to musicians. e.g. Kurt Cobain, Witney Houston, Marilyn Monroe.....

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posted August 20, 2015 04:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Comatoes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I doubt karma cares one iota what a person looks like. Karma is about inner gifts and the soul. Heck you don't even need a body where you're going if you believe in Heaven etc. Your physical body doesn't matter in the big scheme of things, it's just a vehicle for your life purpose.

All that matters is your Soul and the only thing you are taking with you. Yes you need to keep the body healthy and "beautiful" but beauty is not about comparing yourself to others -- Gods and Royals. Celebrities and rich people like to believe they are better than the masses but they get sick, old and die just like "us". Human is human, I don't care who you are.

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posted August 20, 2015 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for astra7     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I doubt karma cares one iota what a person looks like. Karma is about inner gifts and the soul. Heck you don't even need a body where you're going if you believe in Heaven etc. Your physical body doesn't matter in the big scheme of things, it's just a vehicle for your life purpose.

All that matters is your Soul and the only thing you are taking with you. Yes you need to keep the body healthy and "beautiful" but beauty is not about comparing yourself to others -- Gods and Royals. Celebrities and rich people like to believe they are better than the masses but they get sick, old and die just like "us". Human is human, I don't care who you are.



Yeah, it's like saying having a gold plated car or big sillicon boobs make them evolved. I'll stick it on my credit card and buy one! If I can't pay for it, I'll bunk. Yeah that makes sense. lol

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posted August 20, 2015 02:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's not like when you go to Heaven the question asked is 'How much physical beauty did you have in your life'?

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posted August 20, 2015 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soltze     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The issue is did you resist unfair benefits and bad actions you could have done by misusing beauty :-D

I think that's what the "guys up there" will evaluate when we die. Amoung so many other things

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posted August 20, 2015 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beeing a celebrity must be fkn hard, it can **** up your ego so easy..
just look to what that twilight girl has turned into.
and carla dewingler (don`t know how to spell it right, and maybe donīt want to xD)
that model, that I saw today in the outdoor, that she is quiting her model career.. why would she if celebrity is all nice an duper and godlike?

ANd beauty can be a curse, ppl may envy you much, most ppl will always have "I wanna fk with you" in the back of theyr heads...

I have a women friend, I never was atractet to her, but I kind of know she always wanted to fk me all this years, two nights ago we whhere walking back home she woldnt stop toching me grabing my hand, turning me on buy kissing my neck and so on.. we where a bit drunk, but I got this fkn problem that I can`t say no, or just like " hey girl, its not going to happen so chill out!" i cant, im stupit. I had pitty on her because she got some issues in her life, in the end she told me oh I only want a kiss just a kiss, I kissed her because I thougt it would be good for her, I did not get hoorny, felt sick in the stomach after...
And now I think she wants to fk me even more..

Oh I forgott, part of the curse is me thinkng everybody wnts to fk with me..

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posted August 20, 2015 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpieScorp     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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Yes, you can include your wish to be beautiful and famous so that they'll be admired. Some have chosen their path to be born to be an 'idol'. So can you if you know how to. [/B][/QUOTE]

This is interesting...so I COULD have picked WEALTH before I came down??? Arg. Screwed up on that one..

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