posted November 12, 2015 05:45 PM            

Most recently in Mergo's thread:

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When looking at rising signs, they are often described with typical white characteristics.

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So, I just wanted to say something short & sweet - that I very much believe to be true...

It has been proven to me time and time again that it is next to impossible to guess a person's main influences (including their rising) - based on their appearance... if... the one doing the guesswork picks apart the subject's physicality into trivial details like whether they have light blue or brown eyes...

Race, ethnicity, genes etc... do play a role in appearance - but they play next to ZERO role in "facial expression".. and astrology is primarily about expression, as well as all those little wrinkles and dimples that contribute to someone's facial "expression".

Guessing a person's main influences based on photos - or (even better!) interacting with them.... can only work out for you, if you have keen perception and a very good memory.

Because what you need to do is go back into your memory bank and find other people you've known in the past, or famous people you have seen on-screen, who are/were *similar* to this new person in vibe, body language and expression (their race is irrelevant!).

This is the only way you can guess accurately ^.

There is no other way I know of. And there is no rule book.

I'm sorry if any of this sounds dogmatic on my part - but I truly believe there is *no* other way to go about this.

PS. For the non-believers who claim that you cannot -ever- guess a person's astrological influences - all I have to say is:

Unfortunately there is probably a flaw (or "lack") in your own perception that is preventing you from being able to engage in such guessing.
That does not mean guessing is "objectively" impossible. But you may indeed be cognitively closed to it, and unable to do it yourself.

People who have problems guessing are usually people who are not very high on empathy.

They might be great people in many ways and very sympathetic (This is not supposed to be an insult to anyone).

But when it comes to the ability to empathise - they may simply have some issues...
For instance there has been much gender-research into this, and women generally fare much better in terms of "ability to empathise".
Quite apart from that, there are individuals who suffer from disorders like Asperger's - which prevent them from being able to understand certain psychological "layers".

posted November 12, 2015 09:57 PM            

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posted November 12, 2015 10:21 PM            

I've always thought it was ridiculous to say certain rising signs have certain coloring. While it might be more likely that a white person with Cancer rising would be very pale, it just doesn't apply to all people...not even all white people. I'm white with Cancer rising (Aries sun) and I tan very easily and have green eyes. You really see sign characteristics in other things. The shape of the face, the way they speak; regardless of race or coloring, there are features and mannerisms that certain signs share. Cancer and Pisces rising will nearly always have a softness to them.

posted November 12, 2015 10:36 PM            

I find it interesting that you mentioned people with higher empathy levels are good at picking up on what signs someone has. I didn't know what an empath was up until maybe two years ago. Since then, I have realized I am clearly an empath.

It is hard for me to figure out someone's ascendant. I'm not sure if generally other people have a harder time figuring out someone's ascendant as opposed to their Sun and Moon... but for me it is harder.

posted November 12, 2015 11:04 PM            

I am not good at guessing someone's ascendant based on precise analysis of the features such as jaws, forehead, cheekbones, etc... I guess I could do if I understood in which way these particulars are related to astrological signs or planets. So for lack of that technical understanding, I just go by the overall package, if it is a celebrity, what the person is known for, their calling card, how they present themselves, who they date etc... I found this approach to be quite accurate, in fact, i am usually able to narrow down most celebrities's ascendant if allowed 2 guesses.

posted November 13, 2015 05:27 AM            

Not many sign descriptions go into "facial expression" and I feel like the moon plays more into that than anything else... Still, I've found most people don't match those at all, whether they have sun, moon or rising in a certain sign. For example I used to always guess libras as pisces, aquas as cap or scorpio from vibe alone. If anything I've had to throw out everything I've read about astrology and rewrite the book in my head. Also some signs show less signs or are so changing and adaptable that... THAT is their trait.

posted November 13, 2015 10:00 AM            

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It has been proven to me time and time again that it is next to impossible to guess a person's main influences (including their rising) - based on their appearance... if... the one doing the guesswork picks apart the subject's physicality into trivial details like whether they have light blue or brown eyes...

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Impossible?

After looking at Kannon's research on the physical appearances of rising signs, and checking out astrofaces.com at length, I believe the rising sign affects physical structures in ways that can be described. These descriptions are not to be taken as hard-fast rules, but they are useful generalizations.

Facial expressions are not the only valid clues.

True, if a person wants to guess another's ASC, it's helpful if they can meet the person and gather a whole impression, and sensitivity comes in handy with this guesswork.

posted November 13, 2015 10:45 AM            

That internal databank you mentioned is a priceless thing, I'm building my own and sometimes I surprise myself how accurate or close I can be after only looking at someone.

posted November 13, 2015 12:17 PM            

It's hard to make definitive statements about what goes on in people's brains.

I mean, whether you guess a rising sign based on

a) unconscious impressions
b) conscious impressions, recognized and delineated, or
c) a bit of each

...the guess is based on the same objective, external manifestation of the chart.

posted November 13, 2015 01:44 PM            

I once watched Tyra Banks when she was doing her "Americas next top model" show(please don't judge me ).

In it,she featured male models who were also competing for a contract with an "exclusive agency" blah.. blah ..blah.

I looked at this one guy -Denzel Wells and thought "Pisces".

There was something very timid,unsure of self and trying to appear "macho" about him that I picked on.

Sure enough,though he has Sun/Mercury in Taurus,Moon on the cusp of Cancer/Leo. He does have Pisces Mars(how a man projects himself and the "essence" of how he acts)

Jackie Chan has always seemed very playful and "clowny" to me- even when I was a kid. And sure enough,he does have Gemini Moon and Mars in Sagittarius.

The very dignified Morgan Freeman has always seemed rather "fixed" and full of depth to me. And I just couldn't believe that both his Sun and Moon were in mutable signs???

But if we look to his Mars in Scorpio and Mercury in Taurus(he always does narratives in his movies because his voice is enchanting), then we can see where the "fixed" projection comes from.

The incredible Viola Davis has always seemed very "regal" to me. And with the Sun/Mercury in Leo,this is what I was seeing.

But her Mars in Libra, does add that touch of eloquence. She speaks so well.

I rarely pay attention to physical feature descriptions.But I do look out for personality characteristics and projections etc.

Those defy race and other endless divisions to unite people in a very consistent and often interesting way.