posted January 15, 2016 11:54 AM            

Going to express my views and hopefully have a good debate on ancient astrology and astronomy, the ages of astrology and the modern day western view of astrology.

I'm not 100 percent on astrology and its truth on Earth but i think because theres so much history to the correlation between the stars and the human being it should be looked into, plus i love using my imagination and astrology is so spiritual and mythological and fun

So i guess to begin with my first question is why do people use the 12 signs tropical birth chart?

To answer my own question i think its because it's the astrology that is portrayed by mainstream society and media.

Most of our information on the planets, stars and houses come from the Roman era of Ptolemy and therefore we rely on that knowledge to be secure with astrology.

But did you know the original source of astrology comes from the Mayans and the Egyptians, who both used the Moon and 13 sign zodiacs.

Infact most astrological evidence we have found points towards 13 sign zodiacs in our ancient history. Statues of the feminine goddess Ophiuchus have been found in alot of ancient civilizations.

The nature of astrology was very equal and spiritual beforehand. If you look at astrology through the ages, it was the age of Leo where we first have astronomical alignments on Earth. Around 10,500BC the Sphinx looked directly at constellation of Leo, and the Pyramids all around the world (The most famous are of Egypt) were aligned with Orion's belt.

For me personally, if you call yourself an astrologer, i don't understand how you can still use the tropical 12 sign zodiac.
It's evidently, 2000 years out of date.
It is the position of stars at the Astrological age Aries/Pisces cusp.

Now entering the age of Aquarius, polarity to the golden age of Leo, we are re finding the ancient history and spirituality of ourselves and our universe that we had the knowledge of not that long ago. (If you believe that)

I think if we want to give astrology credibility to the ancients, we should learn to develop astrology and astronomy with open minds.

If you see any up to date scientifically factual astrological software, you see the the constellation of Ophiuchus, is 20 degrees on the ecliptic, and the constellation of Orion is 3 degrees on the ecliptic.

Do we not define a zodiac sign, as a constellation that is on the suns path, on the ecliptic?

Now if you're asking weren't they always a sign, it's because of a thing called the precession of the equinoxes.
The Earth spins on its axis every 26,000 years and it has a slight wobble, so every few years the constellation move by a degree or so, this causes the signs(constellations) of the zodiac to change.

Given all this evidence, and the use of these constellations Ophiuchus and Orion is our advanced ancient civilizations all over the world, i don't understand why sites like astro.com refuse to release up to date cosmological birth maps.

If Ptolemy was alive today, i believe he would take the positions of the stars in 2016 into account and re-adjust the stars to a modern day chart.

I think this is pretty critical for the open mindedness, spirituality and credibility of astrology and astronomy.

I think there are certain stars we could also give more awareness to in our star charts.

Such as Sirius, Sirius has long been given spiritual, religious, and godly awareness to as a very important star. So many ancient cultures around the globe have known of this star before modern day science ever existed. The NWO use the star for reverse symbolism as a sign of control because they known of the power and mysticism between Sirius and Egypt.

Sirius is the Sun of our Sun, the Sun of our universe, the spiritual sun, and it is so beautiful in the night sky. The Egyptians based there whole culture around the rising of Sirius, who they called Isis and they knew the spiritual power of this star, it had direct alignment through a shaft in the pyramid into the queens chamber. I think it should be viewed as a second sun in the chart, or atleast with alot more importance.

Other stars like Betelgeuse, Rigel, Bellatrix, Alnitak, Alnilam, Mintaka, Rigel Kent, Thuban, Altair, Regulus, Fomalhaut, Aldebaran and Antares should be viewed with great importance in the chart have they any direct allignments with planets, the wondering stars, in the star map.

I just think it has become to westernised by the white man, it was the black culture that dawned astrology in egypt with the astronomical knowledge that is now nearly lost to us.

What are your thoughts on this? I'd love to hear how you view modern day astrology.

Thanks for reading

Peace and love <3

posted January 15, 2016 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
I don't believe in Ophiuchus at all. The way people use Ophiuchus are based on incorrect and ignorant stereotypes/beliefs about the way astrology works and the history of astrology. Western astrology sign placement basically makes fixed star constellations in relation to sun signs irrelevant because it divides the zodiac by SEASONS.

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I get you, but western astrology was created by white romans who thought killing to dominate was a good way of life.

Ancient civilizations of spiritual prowess believed in Ophiuchus as a sign of the zodiac, to me that means more.

Also is diving the sky by seasons a true way of reading astrology? I havn't studied this much does it validate it?

Wasn't it also the romans who created the way we see seasons now, with the julius calender?

Before that in Egypt they used Sirius as there recording of time, and had no concept of the way we now see it, and they saw as Ophiuchus as true then, so doesn't that override it?

posted January 15, 2016 01:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
I get you, but western astrology was created by white romans who thought killing to dominate was a good way of life.

Ancient civilizations of spiritual prowess believed in Ophiuchus as a sign of the zodiac, to me that means more.

Also is diving the sky by seasons a true way of reading astrology? I havn't studied this much does it validate it?

Wasn't it also the romans who created the way we see seasons now, with the julius calender?

Before that in Egypt they used Sirius as there recording of time, and had no concept of the way we now see it, and they saw as Ophiuchus as true then, so doesn't that override it?

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Actually Ancient egypt did not use Ophiuchus for astrology the same way we see it. Astrology then was astronomy now and astrology. They carefully aligned towards the pole star, and the temple of Amun-Re was actually aligned for the rising of the midwinter sun. Astronomy played a considerable part in fixing the dates of religious festivals and determining the hours of the night so they actually used the stars to determine the seasons as well. The Romans and Egyptians mixed their philosophies constantly, like the Greco-Roman Gods/Goddess had a lot of basis and revamping because of Egyptian influence.

posted January 15, 2016 01:39 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:

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posted January 15, 2016 02:16 PM            

I'll try it out.

Could anyone explain to me how the seasons work ?

posted January 15, 2016 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
I don't believe in Ophiuchus at all. The way people use Ophiuchus are based on incorrect and ignorant stereotypes/beliefs about the way astrology works and the history of astrology. Western astrology sign placement basically makes fixed star constellations in relation to sun signs irrelevant because it divides the zodiac by SEASONS.

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posted January 15, 2016 04:00 PM            

Just because one version of astrology was created doesn't mean it can't be changed

posted January 15, 2016 04:11 PM            

Ever hear the saying, "if it's not broken, don't fix it?"
It's not broken.

posted January 15, 2016 07:12 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:

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^ LOL!!! Who is that? An earthly form of the heavenly Ubasti? awwww. Sooo ~cute!

I've been allowing myself to watch videos of both sidereal and regular astrology. The Vedic astrology is really impressive... I'm a detail-oriented person, and it's my first bite into looking deeper. WOW~~ They had my Moon description like so ~exact. Cool!

I could argue all of them! I think what matters is your level of proficiency in it. You can't just be a shallow-learner. You have to really look into the deeper studies in order to really form a more-accurate understanding of what you have.

posted January 16, 2016 10:25 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
My "Stupid" western brain can't comprehend why you'd attempt to "fix" something that is not broken. There's a lot of people who astrology works amazingly well for with the 12 signs and houses. It's worked for me just dandy and for most on LL and other places. It's worked well for lifetimes!
I've not once seen anyone mention that they think that something is missing.

Ever hear the saying, "if it's not broken, don't fix it?"
It's not broken.

To me it's a small group of people that for whatever reason seem hell bent on revolutionizing astrology for notoriety. It almost reminds me of a "pyramid scheme" from the standpoint of a few people trying to sell an idea and a few people passionately, yet ignorantly buying into it.

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Lol.

Astrology is broken, it's completely out of date, the reason people stick to it is because no one wants to stand out of line and everyone's to generic, i just don't get how people think Ophiuchus and Orion shouldn't be zodiac signs.

The 12 months etc is all a man made creation by the romans and because WESTERN astrology fits in with that means nothing.

Its even in Vedic astrology, the nakshatra Jyeshta is basically Ophiuchus. The Vedic zodiac is based far more off of real knowledge the the shammy western zodiac who have completely colonized it.

posted January 16, 2016 12:16 PM            

There's still a difference between 'constellations' and the 'zodiacs'... AND it involves a more subtle perception and understanding.

It's a new felt-way to synergize the two, and merge the info, without compromising them. haha, go zen that one!

I am still VERY VERY new to the Vedic, but 'that dog hunts'!!

posted January 16, 2016 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
They are not "zodiac" signs, Mystic_Cat.

There's still a difference between 'constellations' and the 'zodiacs'

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posted January 16, 2016 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by mirage29:
They are not "zodiac" signs, Mystic_Cat.

There's still a difference between 'constellations' and the 'zodiacs'... AND it involves a more subtle perception and understanding.

It's a new felt-way to synergize the two, and merge the info, without compromising them. haha, go zen that one!

I am still VERY VERY new to the Vedic, but 'that dog hunts'!!

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Yeah i know man, a zodiac sign is a constellation that is within the suns path on the ecliptic, like Ophiuchus and Orion

posted January 16, 2016 01:55 PM            

1 ARIES = APRIL 19 – MAY 13

2 TAURUS = MAY 14 – JUNE 19

3 GEMINI = JUNE 20 – JULY 20

4 CANCER = JULY 21 – AUG 9

5 LEO = AUGUST 10 – SEPTEMBER 15

6 VIRGO = SEPTEMBER 16 – OCTOBER 30

7 LIBRA = OCTOBER 31 – NOVEMBER 22

8 SCORPIO = NOVEMBER 23 – NOVEMBER 29

9 OPHIUCHUS = NOVEMBER 30 – DECEMBER 17

10 SAGITTARIUS = DECEMBER 18 – JANUARY 18

11 CAPRICORN = JANUARY 19 – FEBRUARY 15

12 AQUARIUS = FEBRUARY 16 – MARCH 11

13 PISCES = MARCH 12 – APRIL 18

posted January 16, 2016 02:48 PM            

The original zodiac of egypt found in the pyramid included Ophiuchus and Orion and Libra was part of Scorpio.

I think astrology would hold alot more truth and be less western if it went back to this.

posted January 16, 2016 06:56 PM            

Did you get your zodiac date-list from a Sidereal astrology site?

No need to delete... just learn the name of which system you want to communicate about, and only use the rules for 'that' one until your used to the distinctions among the others?!