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Topic: Five Placements that People Do Not Recognize Are Very Hard
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Faith
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posted March 12, 2016 08:34 AM
  
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
...people who are sitting around and complain about their sad lives and fates but not even hearing the good suggestions how to change it and take charge of their own lives, and refusing to actually DO anything but just keep on crying and whining and complaining,
Do my eyes deceive me or are you mocking Pisces moons too?   Oh my God.... 
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Ceridwen
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posted March 12, 2016 08:41 AM
Aww well, Faithie, not me!I was just slipping into the skin of an Aries-Mars, looking at the world from their eyes (yes Neptune on the ASC helps you do that  )
and now i am waiting for the Aries Marses barging in shouting at the top of their lungs that they are NEVER like that. 
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Ami Anne
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posted March 12, 2016 08:59 AM
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Faith
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posted March 12, 2016 09:07 AM
Aries Mars  *shakes off bad memories* No it's okay...I forgive them.........  IP: Logged |
polkadotstars
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posted March 12, 2016 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Any placement can be tough. Put an Aries-Mars in a group of people who are sitting around and complain about their sad lives and fates but not even hearing the good suggestions how to change it and take charge of their own lives, and refusing to actually DO anything but just keep on crying and whining and complaining, and you will see a very frustrated Mars, maybe even lashing out, though put that same ARies-Mars in a completely different environment with a lot of active people and energy flying around, and he will thrive.
Hahah omg yes!! I'm an Aries Mars and I never understood how people can complain and whine about their life but not want to do anything to change it! Ugh, drives me crazy! IP: Logged |
Enneline
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posted March 12, 2016 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Any placement can be tough. Put an Aries-Mars in a ...
sooo true, honey!  I have sun/venus/asc in cancer sq pluto and ruler of mc is inconjunct uranus, ruler of 8h.
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Ceridwen
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posted March 12, 2016 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Hahah omg yes!! I'm an Aries Mars and I never understood how people can complain and whine about their life but not want to do anything to change it! Ugh, drives me crazy!
Thanks for confirming astrology!
And yes, Sagittarius-Mars understands - though this particular Mars here understands a little of the other side, too, must be the conjunction to Neptune. But yes, at the end of a process there should be a decision, a game-plan to change something, anything really, or at least get back into the mood where you can laugh about it again.
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Ami Anne
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posted March 12, 2016 10:00 AM
Hahah omg yes!! I'm an Aries Mars and I never understood how people can complain and whine about their life but not want to do anything to change it! Ugh, drives me crazy! This is interesting. I am a Cancer Mars and you have to grab me with a forklift to make me take action  ------------------
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roseelima16
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posted March 12, 2016 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Any placement can be tough. Put an Aries-Mars in a group of people who are sitting around and complain about their sad lives and fates but not even hearing the good suggestions how to change it and take charge of their own lives, and refusing to actually DO anything but just keep on crying and whining and complaining, and you will see a very frustrated Mars, maybe even lashing out, though put that same ARies-Mars in a completely different environment with a lot of active people and energy flying around, and he will thrive.
Very well said, Ceridwen! Completely agreed! Those generalizations about placements are pretty much shallow and definitely suck! IP: Logged |
roseelima16
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posted March 12, 2016 10:49 AM
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roseelima16
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posted March 12, 2016 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by Seimei:
give him a break and make the decision for him.
You are ignoring other placements and just in general making a decision FOR others is VIOLATING THEM. You can only make a decision for someone else if they have given that spot
to you.
Lol, you stole my words, my friend! I think there's a huge stereotypification of debilitation/detrimental placements as "bad" and exalted/domicile placements as "good". That's a very narrow minded astrological approach. Depending on the context of the chart, having a debilitated/detrimental planet can be a good thing and an having an exalted/domicile planet can be a bad thing. For example, Mandela had Mars in Libra, which is considered a detrimental placement for Mars and he wasn't an indecisive/frozen type of person neither allowed people to make decisions for him. Instead he was a detemined diplomatic person (Mars sextile Saturn) condition very well supported by his Venus (Mars dispositor) placed in Gemini in the 6H (balancing things out through communication to serve others). Janis Joplin, on the other hand, had an exalted Jupiter potencialized by a conjunction to a Moon in domicile in the 5H (house of pleasures). The Moon (Jupiter's dispositor) inconjunct Mercury (rational mind) and square Neptune (escapism). Her Jupiter didn't know boundaries in terms of "feeling good". Janis had a long story of drugs/alcohol abuse and she ended up dying due to a heroin overdose. Those are very good examples showing how judging placements without digging deep into the rest of the chart can lead to retarded and mistakable interpretations. IP: Logged |
Enneline
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posted March 12, 2016 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by roseelima16:
Lol, you stole my words, my friend! I think there's a huge stereotypification of debilitation/detrimental placements as "bad" and exalted/domicile placements as "good". That's a very narrow minded astrological approach. For example, Mandela had Mars in Libra, which is considered a detrimental placement for Mars and he wasn't an indecisive/frozen type of person neither allowed people to make decisions for him. Janis Joplin, on the other hand, had an exalted Jupiter potencialized by a conjunction to a Moon in domicile in the 5H (house of pleasures). The Moon (Jupiter's dispositor) inconjunct Mercury (rational mind) and square Neptune (escapism). Her Jupiter didn't know boundaries. Janis had a long story of drugs/alcohol abuse and she ended up dying due to a heroin overdose. Those are very good examples showing how judging placements without digging deep into the rest of the chart can lead to retarded and mistakable interpretations, lol!
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roseelima16
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posted March 12, 2016 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]Hahah omg yes!! I'm an Aries Mars and I never understood how people can complain and whine about their life but not want to do anything to change it! Ugh, drives me crazy! This is interesting. I am a Cancer Mars and you have to grab me with a forklift to make me take action [/B]
Hmmm, Cancer Mars (debilitated Mars) potencialized by its dispositor in domicile (Cancer Moon). That explains some disguised passive aggressive behavior. If the Moon is conjunct Mars add some hot temper to the mixture. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted March 12, 2016 11:09 AM
There's a place for generalizations, I just try to make them mild, since one placement alone cannot take the whole blame for a person being altogether dysfunctional and deserving of a label like narcissist, sociopath, etc.
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Ami Anne
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posted March 12, 2016 11:21 AM
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DopGang
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posted March 12, 2016 11:32 AM
Edit: ah nevermind. It's probably useless. IP: Logged |
roseelima16
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posted March 12, 2016 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by Enneline:
i would like you to read my chart. Seriously
Hi, Enneline I should say I'm not a professional astrologer but I could give a try. Open a thread in the reading sections of the website and leave an email for contact if you don't mind. I'd rather doing that cause last time I did that here in the Vedic Astrology section, the posts got huge and I had a hard time breaking the text in pieces. If you do that, tell me when it's there. IP: Logged |
roseelima16
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posted March 12, 2016 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by Faith:
There's a place for generalizations, I just try to make them mild, since one placement alone cannot take the whole blame for a person being altogether dysfunctional and deserving of a label like narcissist, sociopath, etc.
I agree with you: generalizations serve as a guide but not always the pure meaning of a placement will get expressed cause other factors such as aspects, degrees and specially rulerships conditions modify the whole thing. Because of those modifications, I don't agree with the fatalistic approach that some people have like "oh, if you have Moon in Capricorn you're emotionally cold". IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted March 12, 2016 11:54 AM
Yes, I don't like fatalism, in any aspect of life.The odd thing about astrology is, sometimes positive aspects seem to be the root of a social difficulty.  I know my Gemini Mars trine Pluto is probably more problematic for the people in my life than moon square Mars. My moon muffles Mars, whereas Pluto says, goes on and say whatever you want. Gotta be real. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted March 12, 2016 11:57 AM
Astrology is of course built on generalizations; I mean any symbol has a defined meaning in astrology.
However it is important to not stop there and take the symbol for the whole. One has to take the whole carpet into view, not the one thread that is there as well. the interdependence of symbols is what makes astrology a language, and not just a collection of words (and isolated symbols). But yes it has to start with the isolated meaning (keeping in consideration there is actually a range of expression, and not just ONE possibility of manifestation), but has to go beyond that eventually. And JUDGING a person because of one placement (no matter if a positive or negative judgement) is misuse. IP: Logged |
Electro DGX
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posted March 12, 2016 12:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Any placement can be tough. Put an Aries-Mars in a group of people who are sitting around and complain about their sad lives and fates but not even hearing the good suggestions how to change it and take charge of their own lives, and refusing to actually DO anything but just keep on crying and whining and complaining, and you will see a very frustrated Mars, maybe even lashing out, though put that same ARies-Mars in a completely different environment with a lot of active people and energy flying around, and he will thrive.
As a first house Scorpio Mars, this would make me SO angry. I would get so frustrated so fast, like "I've given you the power to make things better, why do you REFUSE?!?!?!?!?" IP: Logged |
roseelima16
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posted March 12, 2016 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by DopGang:
Edit: ah nevermind. It's probably useless.
I read your post and I agree with what you said as well. Generalizations are necessary when you start to learn anything in life. If a person doesn't have a general notion about what a dog is of course he'll have a hard time noticing differences among the dog breeds. The same in Astrology: you progress from general to specific concepts. Btw, I don't think I'm more knowledgeable than anyone here. I just don't like having my mind inside a box and applying the same descriptions to all situations. Applying general concepts but relativizing and specifying them are extremely important if you wanna be fastidious and accurate. Otherwise, we can end up doing nonsense readings like those we see in magazine horoscopes. IP: Logged |
Enneline
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posted March 12, 2016 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by roseelima16:
Hi, Enneline I should say I'm not a professional astrologer but I could give a try. Open a thread in the reading sections of the website and leave an email for contact if you don't mind. I'd rather doing that cause last time I did that here in the Vedic Astrology section, the posts got huge and I had a hard time breaking the text in pieces. If you do that, tell me when it's there.
I just posted my chart in the personal readings section, honey Thanks in advance & please don't forget to let me know if you want anything in return  Also, you may be blunt honest. Rather that than sugarcoating. You know that i can cope it (pluto/IC)  IP: Logged |
CosmiqPhuz
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posted March 12, 2016 12:38 PM
I have Mars in Libra. It's also tightly conjunct my Moon, as well as square my Neptune. So I'm a peaceful, yet aggressive and indecisive daydreamer, haha. I do seem to alternate "modes" depending on the situation - perhaps my Gemini Asc makes it easy. A bit off topic - my Venus is in Scorpio. Since Scorpio rules Mars and Libra rules Venus, would they help each other out or anything? I think it's called "mutual reception". From my understanding, both these placements are detrimental. IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted March 12, 2016 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And JUDGING a person because of one placement (no matter if a positive or negative judgement) is misuse.
Please feel free to misuse astrology to make positive judgments about me anytime. My Leo is RISING, and will use any means to continue doing so. J/K...I do get your point. IP: Logged |
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