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Violets
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posted May 15, 2016 08:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I do not understand this mentality.

I have family members who are like this, and I swear they're lucky to have all of their limbs intact at this point.

What gives??

My husband has the Leo/Sag combination, and he does a little bit of that type of thing, and I'm always baffled like "Wtf, WHY would you want to do that?!" He's not too bad, though.

I have a Leo cousin, however, and her Aries husband (she has Aries Moon, come to think of it), and they think it's hilarious to completely p!ss people off, offend them to a degree, whatever.

My sister in-law's mom is that way, just utterly obnoxious. She's a Pisces Sun, but I'm not sure about her other placements.

My mom is a Cancer with Scorpio Asc and Cap Moon (my husband also has Cap Moon), and she may not think it's hilarious to irritate people, but she definitely enjoys purposefully doing things she knows will upset the people around her.

Is this some sort of hereditary mental illness?? I must have inherited my dad's genes on this one if so, because I derive zero pleasure from deliberately making people irate.

My son's birthday party was yesterday, and I swear I was on the verge of chucking his Flaarp at my cousin's face (yes, I'm a grown woman in my forties).

Or, maybe I'm pregnant with Mars Rx hitting all my stuff.

But really...I am thin-skinned, and I can have a short fuse, especially when it comes to political or social issues (Pluto in H3 square Saturn in H11, and Mars square Uranus/IC).

I just don't understand the mentality of "Omg, did you see how she almost punched me in the face when I made fun of her friend's daughter's relatively normal name?! It was HILARIOUS!"

What placements can contribute to this?
It can't just be fire placements, because of course not all fire signs I know are obnoxious d0uches.

Don't quote, please. I'm having a moment of venting, and I might be more equipped to cope with their bizarre tactics if I understand where they're coming from.

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posted May 15, 2016 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DualGem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well My mars is opposite my moon.
So I can be a little bit passive aggressive.

I haven't been particularly happy for at least 10yrs. I live in Ottawa and its full of dumb and or lazy bureaucrats.

So I've gotten use to sarcastic humor as a way of indirectly complaining.

I'm less sarcastic now since I'm almost packed to leave.

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Gemini Mercury
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posted May 15, 2016 08:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DualGem:
Well My mars is opposite my moon.

So I can be a little bit passive aggressive.

I haven't been particularly happy for at least 10yrs. I live in Ottawa and its full of dumb and or lazy bureaucrats.

So I've gotten use to sarcastic humor as a way of indirectly complaining.

I'm less sarcastic now since I'm almost packed to leave.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer


I don't mean entirely passive-aggressive... I'm thinking more outright belligerent, with a weird combination of foot-in-mouth disease, in addition to a baffling enjoyment of said disease.

I can be sarcastic and, unfortunately, a bit snarky. Or outright confrontational when I disagree with people (especially people I'm close to).
But I'm not actually trying to rile people up just to get a kick from their reactions, if that makes sense?

It's not just shock value, like Uranus or Aquarius. It's like someone standing right next to you and poking you repeatedly in the shoulder. -__-

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Elysia
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posted May 15, 2016 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ugh. I don't get it either.

My guess is, they need this kind of behaviour to feel 'better' about themselves. (I'm thinking about people in my life who are like this). They seem to have an aggressive kind of insecurity. i.e. One can't be 'above' without pushing the other 'below', or the way to feel good is to put other people down and smirk when it hurts them.

A lot of times, the motivation is, "I'm so miserable about my life, why is XYZ so happy? Let's take him down a peg." Followed by a perverse kind of joy that they 'got to' that person.

They may/may not realize it makes them come off as jerks. In their mind, they're just asserting superiority, in a way.

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I'm so sorry they were this way at your son's birthday party. Why can't people at least spare each other on happy occasions.. !

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posted May 15, 2016 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Trolling people can be fun. I enjoy that sometimes. With friends and loved ones, I know what make them tick so I push until they get mad and swat at me. There's a limit though. I annoy them, rile them up, but I don't make them go homicidal angry. And never hurt their dignity.

With people other than those, it's just light teasing, and I don't do it often, for obvious reasons.

Making fun of a little girl's name, in front of other people - that's just bad taste.

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Elysia
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posted May 15, 2016 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, 12muddy.. You do it out of affection, and it's always the right kind of fun..

I think V is talking about actual crossing-the-line with words/actions, out of malice..

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posted May 15, 2016 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^ Yeah. I think that having little tact, or a bizarre sense of humor can be another cause.

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posted May 15, 2016 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah... I wouldn't say malice, necessarily, but... Definitely crossing the line, as far as what's funny and what's just belligerent and obnoxious (in a bad way).

My mom does this with a bit of malicious intent, with a sort of sick sense of humor.

My cousin...the little girl wasn't in the room, but my cousin's daughter goes to school with her, and was talking about how she's a nice person, etc.

So my cousin starts laughing about her name (which is actually a lovely name, not entirely common, but a plant name, which my redneck cousin apparently couldn't comprehend).

She does also know what makes me really mad, and she'll push it. She does a little bit of the same type of thing with my son, who is very sensitive, and also kind of intense like I am, but sort of shy when people aren't nice to him.

I love these family members, but seriously what the hell?!

It's not synastry, either. I have two very close friends I've known since childhood who were reluctant to come to my son's birthday because they knew that my cousin would be there.

But I see people like this often enough, not just her specifically, and I wonder what it is in their charts that causes them to be such tw@ts.

I'll have to examine her chart, and throw out any ideas that come to mind.

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posted May 15, 2016 11:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by 12muddy:
Trolling people can be fun. I enjoy that sometimes. With friends and loved ones, I know what make them tick so I push until they get mad and swat at me. There's a limit though. I annoy them, rile them up, but I don't make them go homicidal angry. And never hurt their dignity.


This is a bit how my husband is... But, he knows how quick I can be to blow a gasket, so he doesn't do it very often, and it's really meant in a way that's good-natured--albeit really irritating at the time, lol.

My aunt's husband (also a Leo Sun) does this as well, but it's understood that it's all in fun, and he doesn't really mean anything by it. Unless he's having a bad day, in which case he might be a little harsher with his "joking", but he doesn't upset me, as a general rule. I know he's teasing.

But I would think that most people who just want to get a rise would know where to draw the line, which topics are okay and which ones aren't, that sort of thing. Or, if someone is clearly getting p!ssed off, that would be a good time to stop.

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Elysia
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posted May 15, 2016 11:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I see what you mean...

I guess we were talking about different kinds of people.

Not sure about natal aspects of such people though. Maybe something with difficulty seeing another's PoV?

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posted May 15, 2016 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hemilla     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my,i love doing it to my sister and our aunt - but just because they are easily trigered xD

I have merc squared by mars ,merc rules 3rd house (siblings) and is in 11th (friendly)
so i guess it has something to do with it


I dont like when its done TO ME though, esspecialy by people who are not my friends

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posted May 15, 2016 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hm. My cousin has BML conjunct her Dsc by minutes, and she also has Pluto conjunct Mercury in her H7.

It's not as though she really ever has much to say that's emotionally in-depth, though.

She can be spiritual, through religion (she's religious, of course), and can sometimes be very in tune with her particular brand of spirituality.

When she's not, though. I'm shocked no one has actually slapped her over the years. I think people tend to simply avoid her when possible.

Ah. She also has Mars in Leo conjunct her Sun.

I've noticed that the unevolved Leo Mars people can be like that. My mother in-law has it, and when she just feels like being catty (no pun intended), she can make a person want to slap her as well.

They also tend to have very outdated ideas of style, lol. Probably not everyone with that placement, of course. They're like those old ladies walking around with caked on makeup and heavy perfumes, thinking that other people have no style.

Thank God for my Uranus placements.

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posted May 15, 2016 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hemilla:
Oh my,i love doing it to my sister and our aunt - but just because they are easily trigered xD

I have merc squared by mars ,merc rules 3rd house (siblings) and is in 11th (friendly)
so i guess it has something to do with it

I dont like when its done TO ME though, esspecialy by people who are not my friends


Yeah, it's sort of like that. My cousin loves it when people are easily triggered, but really no matter how people react, she thinks it's very funny to upset and offend people.

I can understand teasing, but really actually p!ssing people off seems kind of excessive to me. But I think you're onto something with Mercury being a culprit.

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posted May 15, 2016 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Elysia:
Oh I see what you mean...

I guess we were talking about different kinds of people.

Not sure about natal aspects of such people though. Maybe something with difficulty seeing another's PoV?


No, I was just using my husband and my aunt's husband as examples of people who do the teasing thing in a good-natured way, probably the way Muddy does.

My cousin is...not necessarily malicious, but yes seriously belligerent in a not-funny way. It's not meant to be all in fun, really. Hard to explain, maybe it's just the negative side of Leo placements.

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posted May 15, 2016 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for headintheclouds91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ime i have noticed people with hard saturn aspects to their ascendant or personal planets or cap influence can be huge energy vampires. Also noticed some of that with virgo influenced people.

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posted May 15, 2016 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't understand it, and this sort of things annoys me, too. I've just PM'd you elsewhere.

My sister did this to me, and I see people poke at others, at times, and am usually one to step in, or to try to ease anything happening. I can take good-natured teasing, but even that on some days, hits the wrong nerve, and I will say, "I can't take that today."

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posted May 15, 2016 11:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:
Also noticed some of that with virgo influenced people.


Although to be fair, my cousin has the Mercury/Pluto conjunction in Virgo.

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posted May 15, 2016 12:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, yeah... I just noticed this.

My cousin has Osc. BML conjunct her Mars, and Sun/Mars conjunct BML as well. All in Leo, from H6 to H7, on her Dsc.

Yep, I think that might do it.

It makes me wonder how to deal with her, though. I also have BML conjunct my Sun in H8, in Pisces...but I don't share her behaviors, usually. I can be blunt and not care much about whether or not people's feelings are hurt (depending on the person and situation), but I'm never out to specifically make people mad or upset them (generally).

They have to p!ss me off first, and then the goal is simply to get them to shut up.

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posted May 15, 2016 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Elysia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
-- blahh.

Can I still blame Merc Rx.?

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posted May 15, 2016 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Elysia:
-- blahh.

Can I still blame Merc Rx.?


Of course.

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posted May 15, 2016 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StubbornVirgo     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted May 15, 2016 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My dad and his Virgo Mercury does this to my mom all the time. She's an Aries Sun, Asc, and Mercury, so it's easy for her to get angry when my dad is being a "smartass" as he puts it. I can say that him being a Sag Moon only makes it easier for him.

Honestly I do this too, but not to the point where you want to rip someone's head off. I do it with my sister who has a Gemini Mars, and me being a Gemini Moon can naturally be annoying to the core. My dad also has a Gemini Mars so it can be that too.

With Gemini they can be deliberately annoying in order to get your reaction. By not reacting they'll just do it more until they get angry when you don't react back.

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posted May 15, 2016 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sulkyarcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fixed signs.

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posted May 15, 2016 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah... What my cousin does a lot of the time is actually bring up inflammatory topics. Politics, family disputes, "don't tell so-and-so", etc. Or she'll just outright insult someone (or someone you know), and try to pull it off as a joke.

It's the weirdest behavior I've ever seen, but I have seen it a lot in other people as well. It's kind of toxic, imo.

Me, being the thin-skinned, easily triggered person that I am, will usually react instead of shrugging or laughing.

But then, a lot of what she says should probably not be shrugged off or laughed at, because it's honestly disrespectful or just doesn't need to be said.

For example... On Easter, after my mom had left, my cousin informed me that (long story short) if my mom decided to build a house on the family property, my aunt and her husband would sell their house and move, in order to avoid living next to my mom (which I wouldn't really blame them for). But "Don't tell your mom that or anything."

Surprise! Happy Easter!

I think Muddy is onto something as well, with checking into Eris. I don't believe I have anything on my axis points that would attract these people into my life, except for the BML/Sun thing.

Sorry to vent, but yes I think with Mars retrograde atm, I'm having to figure out a few things regarding boundaries and dealing with anger.

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posted May 15, 2016 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will add that the people I know who act this way are fully grown individuals who are well into middle age. It's ridiculous.

The stuff I'm seeing so far is Mercury/Pluto, Mars stuff, and BML. That all makes sense to me.

Mars conjunct BML in Leo on the Dsc seems like it would lend itself to this sort of thing to me.

I'll think of the other people I know who are this way, and either look at their charts or try to find out the year they were born.

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