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afarin
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posted May 16, 2016 08:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afarin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, the title's a little dramatic but it's concise. I have Venus in Pisces -- why the hell is this position supposed to be "exalted"?

It seems to only attract situations where there is mistreatment, over idealistic feelings, cheaters, and people who take advantage of your kindness. Oh, or being with guys who don't have their **** together and you're constantly trying to help them help themselves.

Granted, I think my Venus in Pisces is why I have always been complimented on my artwork, but I'd still rather have an earthier venus.

By the way, I've observed that a lot of the women I know with Venus in Scorpio (the so-called "detriment" placing) have it a lot better in the romance realm. Ironic, no? Or just frustrating, for people like me.

What's your take on Venus in Pisces?

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posted May 16, 2016 08:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Saggi Moon may be part of it because it is mutable and not that assertive, as is Pisces, which is, also, mutable, my Friend.

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posted May 16, 2016 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for athenegoddess     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't buy the traditional exoteric views of astrology.
http://www.mermaid-uk.net/Esotericvenus.htm

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posted May 16, 2016 08:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Electro DGX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus is supposed to be a placement that expresses love and beauty, and it rules Libra and Taurus. When Venus is in Pisces, the Piscean Venus loves unconditionally and is more naturally inclined to love the world for what it is, regardless of the flaws it may have. This can also explain why it falls in Virgo, for Virgo is too focused on the reality of living in order to "love" the world, and therefore is very negative. Virgo is also inclined to want perfection out of a relationship, which Pisces doesn't necessarily need because it already imagines the relationship as perfect.

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posted May 16, 2016 09:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afarin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Your Saggi Moon may be part of it because it is mutable and not that assertive, as is Pisces, which is, also, mutable, my Friend.


I'm not sure my Sagittarius moon is the problem, its a fire sign and I'm assertive in that way. Yes they're both mutable, but why is that explanatory? I'm not arguing that point by the way, I'm actually wondering. Lol

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Venus is supposed to be a placement that expresses love and beauty, and it rules Libra and Taurus. When Venus is in Pisces, the Piscean Venus loves unconditionally and is more naturally inclined to love the world for what it is, regardless of the flaws it may have. This can also explain why it falls in Virgo, for Virgo is too focused on the reality of living in order to "love" the world, and therefore is very negative. Virgo is also inclined to want perfection out of a relationship, which Pisces doesn't necessarily need because it already imagines the relationship as perfect.


Yeah, I think I'm definitely one to accept people for who they are and all the cute stuff that Venus in Pisces has been written to bring, but it's kind of interesting that partnerships are always clouded in some kind of mistreatment/infidelity/using/martyrdom

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posted May 16, 2016 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
afarin,

Which house is your Venus in and which aspects does it receive?

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posted May 16, 2016 09:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afarin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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afarin,

Which house is your Venus in and which aspects does it receive?


Third house, and it opposes Jupiter in Virgo, squares my sag moon, sextiles uranus and Neptune.

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posted May 16, 2016 10:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
afarin,

Philosophical, dreamy, independent, idealistic and very social Venus. What's not to like? But you need to be heard, it's important for you to express yourself to people verbally. Communication is key here -- your partner must really LISTEN to you.

I think that Moon/Venus square is the only problem you have when it comes to Venus in Pisces. Your Moon is in Sagittarius. This is one of the most aloof Moons. And I don;t mean detached. I mean masculine, strong, optimistic, resistant to psychological upsets. So different to your sensitive Venus! I think because of such dramatically different parts that both make you - you, your partners might cause you upsets. Because on one hand emotionally you are not sensitive but in love when it comes to expressing and receiving it, you are sensitive! The main problem people with Moon-Venus square have is gullibility, people often use them because of it. I think it's this aspect you want to blame, not your beautiful Pisces Venus. Try to find the balance between these two sides of yourself - Pisces lover and Sagittarius woman, try to get in touch with both. Look, men will first see one or the other. Whichever they see first, the latter will surprise them (very often unpleasantly) because they will question what is the real you then..

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posted May 16, 2016 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afarin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CapriciousCapricorn:
afarin,

Philosophical, dreamy, independent, idealistic and very social Venus. What's not to like? But you need to be heard, it's important for you to express yourself to people verbally. Communication is key here -- your partner must really LISTEN to you.

I think that Moon/Venus square is the only problem you have when it comes to Venus in Pisces. Your Moon is in Sagittarius. This is one of the most aloof Moons. And I don;t mean detached. I mean masculine, strong, optimistic, resistant to psychological upsets. So different to your sensitive Venus! I think because of such dramatically different parts that both make you - you, your partners might cause you upsets. Because on one hand emotionally you are not sensitive but in love when it comes to expressing and receiving it, you are sensitive! The main problem people with Moon-Venus square have is gullibility, people often use them because of it. I think it's this aspect you want to blame, not your beautiful Pisces Venus. Try to find the balance between these two sides of yourself - Pisces lover and Sagittarius woman, try to get in touch with both. Look, men will first see one or the other. Whichever they see first, the latter will surprise them (very often unpleasantly) because they will question what is the real you then..


Wow, you're very perceptive! Absolutely correct on all points. And you really captured the essence of my moon/venus square... It's hard to define who I really am as a woman, because both parts are equally as important to me.

I guess my point is that I still think Pisces venus brings a lot of illusion and exploitation in relationships. Do you have a pisces venus or venus/moon square yourself? I'm just wondering because you explained the feeling so well.

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posted May 16, 2016 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by afarin:

I guess my point is that I still think Pisces venus brings a lot of illusion and exploitation in relationships. Do you have a pisces venus or venus/moon square yourself? I'm just wondering because you explained the feeling so well.

Yes, it does. But whoever you end up with will be a very lucky man. Look at it that way. It's a gift. Don't give it to just anyone.

No I don't have Moon Venus square. I have Pisces Mars, Sagittarius Mercury. My Moon is 29 degrees Aqua, it conjuncts Pisces Mars, maybe conjunction makes it more Piscean (or is it Arian?).

Maybe I just understand these signs slightly better than others. Glad to have helped. I'm definitely not the expert here

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posted May 16, 2016 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CapriciousCapricorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
afarin,

Oh dear, just noticed on another thread you said you have Moon conjunct Asc. You wear your heart on the sleeve, all emotions on the surface.

Nevermind, think nothing of it! All will be well.

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posted May 16, 2016 11:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afarin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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afarin,

Oh dear, just noticed on another thread you said you have Moon conjunct Asc. You wear your heart on the sleeve, all emotions on the surface.

Nevermind, think nothing of it! All will be well.


It definitely makes me be very honest about what I think and feel with people.

But I want to add that I don't think you would find me emotional or sensitive if you just talked to me in person. I always keep things very light-hearted. I don't show that vulnerable side but I do verbalize my inner thoughts/feelings without hesitation.

And I think your understanding probably is because our planets are in similar signs (pisces, aquarius, sagittarius)

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posted May 16, 2016 11:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquagembaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus in Scorpio is not always as hyped as its to be either. They may be too intense to the point where it scares people away. Yes they do have a certain magnetism but their love life can have themes of obsession, jealously, power/control issues, etc so every Venus sign has it's negative side.

Well going off just your planets in the signs, having all of that fire/masculine in your trinity (Sun in Aries, Moon in Sag, Sag ASC) you do need somebody that will match your drive. But Venus in Pisces, like you said, has themes of illusions and vagueness, and just wants to feel things out, but your fire side wants clear boundaries. While I don't believe this placement sucks, I do think b/c of your trinity it makes it really difficult for you to appreciate the Venus in Pisces energy b/c it's pretty different from your Aries/Sag. Even though Sag and Pisces are both mutable, they're both worlds apart, with Sag being frank and upfront and Pisces being illusive and too kind to a fault.

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posted May 16, 2016 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for charlie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My husband has Pisces Venus 12H conjunct his Pisces Asc. He by NO means, whatsoever, loves unconditionally, but he has had a penchant for attracting idiots, cheaters and all around psychopaths. What saves him, I think, is his extremely awake Aries Sun in 1H..I have a feeling he'd be doomed otherwise.

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posted May 17, 2016 12:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My personal theory is that Venus in Pisces is overrated due to humanity having been under the Age of Pisces in the last 2000+ years. Venus in Pisces has a lot of the attributes of Venus in 12th house.

On a mundane level, Venus in Pisces in a woman native can stink. Great Venus if you are going to selflessly devote yourself to the well being of humanity, but in personal relationships, the potential to be used and abused is great, unless the woman has more self-directed planets to balance her. Usually, personal planets in adjacent Aries, Aquarius or Capricorn can serve to nicely offset the martyr tendencies of this Venus.

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posted May 17, 2016 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by afarin:
Okay, the title's a little dramatic but it's concise. I have Venus in Pisces -- why the hell is this position supposed to be "exalted"?

It seems to only attract situations where there is mistreatment, over idealistic feelings, cheaters, and people who take advantage of your kindness. Oh, or being with guys who don't have their **** together and you're constantly trying to help them help themselves.

Granted, I think my Venus in Pisces is why I have always been complimented on my artwork, but I'd still rather have an earthier venus.

By the way, I've observed that a lot of the women I know with Venus in Scorpio (the so-called "detriment" placing) have it a lot better in the romance realm. Ironic, no? Or just frustrating, for people like me.

What's your take on Venus in Pisces?


We have similar combo (Aquarius, Aries, Sagittarius, and *sigh* Pisces).

I also attract those kind of people and sometimes I feel like it's a curse in relationship, I wish I have different venus sign as well. Me too sometimes compare it with Scorpio venus who seems more lucky and attract easily, well, ehm, lets say one of the most stable and normal venus, Taurus.

I think universe just wants to be fair with us. Have you met another Virgo venus? Try to learn from them. My brother has venus in virgo, he teaches me how to be more CALCULATED. I've also learned from my other male friend (virgo venus) to be more owning the "service" role. It doesn't guarantee you to not meet someone who constantly need your help, I think it's already our destiny because of our acceptance to all kind of people.

Once you own it, this is exalted and one of the gifted venus to have (sacrificing, forgiveness, artsy, unconditional love, tenderness, spiritual, etc). My Dad is still grateful choosing and meeting my Mom (who has venus in pisces). He always feels lucky to have her with all of the ups and downs they have been through, because, yes, you can see her sacrifices.

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posted May 17, 2016 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afarin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Once you own it, this is exalted and one of the gifted venus to have (sacrificing, forgiveness, artsy, unconditional love, tenderness, spiritual, etc). My Dad is still grateful choosing and meeting my Mom (who has venus in pisces). He always feels lucky to have her with all of the ups and downs they have been through, because, yes, you can see her sacrifices.

You know what, I totally agree with this -- I think whoever ends up with a person with Venus in Pisces is very lucky indeed. It's just funny that the same good will and energy isn't typically returned (there's usually a lot of suffering for the person with the planet, lol)

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posted May 17, 2016 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Belage     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by hearttreasure:
We have similar combo (Aquarius, Aries, Sagittarius, and *sigh* Pisces).

I also attract those kind of people and sometimes I feel like it's a curse in relationship, I wish I have different venus sign as well. Me too sometimes compare it with Scorpio venus who seems more lucky and attract easily, well, ehm, lets say one of the most stable and normal venus, Taurus.

I think universe just wants to be fair with us. Have you met another Virgo venus? Try to learn from them. My brother has venus in virgo, he teaches me how to be more CALCULATED. I've also learned from my other male friend (virgo venus) to be more owning the "service" role. It doesn't guarantee you to not meet someone who constantly need your help, I think it's already our destiny because of our acceptance to all kind of people.

Once you own it, this is exalted and one of the gifted venus to have (sacrificing, forgiveness, artsy, unconditional love, tenderness, spiritual, etc). My Dad is still grateful choosing and meeting my Mom (who has venus in pisces). He always feels lucky to have her with all of the ups and downs they have been through, because, yes, you can see her sacrifices.



Sorry but I would not recommend to learn from Virgo Venus. Venus is in its fall in Virgo, and Venus there feels unworthy and is very insecure underneath the facade of perfectionism. Better to emulate Venus in Taurus, or Venus in Libra. Heck, I will take Venus in Scorpio.

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posted May 17, 2016 03:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mutable is not a dominant trait. It is more lad back and not assertive

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posted May 17, 2016 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hearttreasure     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You know what, I totally agree with this -- I think whoever ends up with a person with Venus in Pisces is very lucky indeed. It's just funny that the same good will and energy isn't typically returned (there's usually a lot of suffering for the person with the planet, lol)

Yes. Me too have been through the suffering.

I've read somewhere about venus in virgo, "They want a REAL relationship, and always tries their best to maintain it (service oriented). They don’t care for all the frills, they just want you."

Venus in pisces is DREAMY and sometimes can be lost somewhere in their own world, not really see the REALITY. We didn't really know how to maintain a relationship (prob 50/50), we only know LOVE, this SUPER BIG LOVE in our heart which let us accept other people for who they really are (this is where venus in Virgo need to learn from us) and we have the same amount of love to everyone.

Learn to stay in REALITY (choose carefully like Virgo), learn to accept the role of "service orientation" - helpful, thoughtful, considerate and cooperative (which venus in virgo has).

Beside, jfyi venus in pisces: "100% a hopeless romantic. They are DREAMY and playful and loves you for who you really are."

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Sorry but I would not recommend to learn from Virgo Venus. Venus is in its fall in Virgo, and Venus there feels unworthy and is very insecure underneath the facade of perfectionism. Better to emulate Venus in Taurus, or Venus in Libra. Heck, I will take Venus in Scorpio.

All of venus sign has positive and negative. Fall/detriment, it doesn't mean this is a very bad placement to have. It only has different style to love (venus).

To be honest, exalted/domicile also has their weak point. Pisces can be too dreamy/idealistic, Libra can be wishy washy/indecisive, Taurus can be so stubborn and it's not easy for them to move on also sometimes can be very materialistic, Scorpio? is suspicious and can be crazy also selfish actually.

I think it is best to learn from the positives, why focus on the negatives when you want to be in better place?

I actually find venus in virgo is very helpful and their ability to calculate erase some crazy people (which venus in pisces willingly accept them), they also stay in reality (where pisces in dream world).

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posted May 17, 2016 05:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afarin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Venus in Virgo has a tendency to be subjected to being used as well, though. Just from what I've observed in my own personal life. I think Venus in Taurus would be the best placement if I could pick!

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posted May 17, 2016 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kannon McAfee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
afarin,

Dignities and exaltations were set centuries ago when there was a totally different criteria that has been lost to all but those who study or practice classical/Hellenistic astrology. Suffice to say in modern terms that Venus vibrates to blue and this most closely fits the cyan/blue of Taurus and Libra, and next most closely to the darker blue/indigo of Pisces and Sagittarius.

Impressionable can be a keyword, but generally we're talking about Venus operating in a more open liquid environment in Pisces. It is not discriminating as it would be in Virgo. Moon in Sag, a sign that has difficulty discerning the genuine differences between unique individuals, squaring Venus in Pisces, which has a similar difficulty, means that your love or open acceptance of others tends to run interference with the discernment you see others have in deciding levels of contact or trust appropriate to a personal intimacy.

The wide T-square with these two and Jupiter in Virgo tells me you have the capacity to let this discernment develop, but that you will most likely remain of an open orientation, but could learn some boundaries once you've identified the idealisms or moments of errant trust and guide yourself in a different direction.

With Venus in Pisces love, affection, trust are more liquid than in icy hard Scorpio or earth signs, but not as breezy as Libra or air signs. We all have to learn some lessons and make adjustments. You can use the strength of the fire in your chart - Sun/Aries will and personal agenda, Moon/Sag optimism, and Mercury/Aries' honesty and directness to compensate for your artist's openness and fluidity.

I could even write this as an affirmative (internal) dialogue (sun through jupiter):

I AM. I am an essential piece of this world ...
I Feel the world wholly and am open to it ...
I know the world and recall my purpose in it ...
My love is tender and it comes from Spirit ...
I act in unity with the world towards justice and balance ...
In my outreach I am focused and discriminating ... (Jupiter/Virgo) I AM ... and so on.


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posted May 17, 2016 10:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for afarin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Beautifully written! Thank you for taking the time to be so detailed. I think being aware of some of those negative tendencies helps to shape behaviour in a more positive way.

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I think Venus in Virgo has a tendency to be subjected to being used as well, though. Just from what I've observed in my own personal life. I think Venus in Taurus would be the best placement if I could pick!

I agree. Venus in Virgo can be used as well, but by a different type of user. Venus in Pisces will let a wino with his feet in the gutter and his head in a crackhouse use her, cuz she sees the "real" him underneath the crumbling facade, but this type would have no luck with Virgo.

Virgo is more vulnerable to a user who has a job, albeit a menial one or someone who he is cheap and stingy with her, or a boss who keeps her working overtime on a variety of projects while underpaying her because he has managed to convince Virgo that nobody else could do this job like her and that his company can't afford to pay her more.

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