posted July 06, 2016 11:22 AM            

Subject is 9 years old and female.

-two faced (one personality with mother and a completely different one with father). with mother she uses very foul language and is almost like a teenager but with father she speaks baby language and refuses to shower/pee/brush her teeth alone.

-obsessed with looks

-binge eats while hiding or doesn't eat at all

-weak psyche and by that I mean that even the slightest correction will set off hysteria and sayings like "no one loves me" or "I'm so ugly" or "I do everything wrong"

-obsessed with money and which type of job generates most

-contacts random boys on Instagram to "meet up and cuddle" while sending pics of herself. Her account was also linked to a sex site where other children was found.

-sexual and unhealthy undercurents that comes out as hostility or extreme jealousy

-very manipulative

What I found in her chart was:

Pluto quincunx Sun EXACT
Pluto square Mars 2 degrees
Pluto in 6H

posted July 06, 2016 11:29 AM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
Sounds like she should see a therapist and a psychiatrist with supervision imo, but black lilith and lilith in general could be playing a role here.

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posted July 06, 2016 11:48 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Hmmm... What about her Moon?
What's it's story?

I feel like asc could be important here also not only for the asc itself but also house placement for these planets.

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posted July 06, 2016 12:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Forget the astrology! That young girl needs CARE! And an adult who can read that things are NOT going alright. My instant impression is that she might have been or is still being abused (possibly sexual). But I am not a therapist and I don`t know everything.
But these signs gathered together are very ALARMING, Pluto or not.
She is obviously in need of help and quickly. I mean, she is a 9 year old kid!

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posted July 06, 2016 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Forget the astrology! That young girl needs CARE! And an adult who can read that things are NOT going alright. My instant impression is that she might have been or is still being abused (possibly sexual). But I am not a therapist and I don`t know everything.
But these signs gathered together are very ALARMING, Pluto or not.
She is obviously in need of help and quickly. I mean, she is a 9 year old kid!

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posted July 06, 2016 12:18 PM            

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Originally posted by outofideas:
Oh, how typically Cancer Moon-like to play the martyr and use emotional manipulation. .

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She is 9 years old!!!!

posted July 06, 2016 12:21 PM            

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Originally posted by charlie:
She is getting help but things are slow in our country. We can't just pay our way to see a specialist-need to wait in line..Sexual abuse have been suspected, by mother, but no proof whatsoever.

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Aren`t there emergency-units in your country?

I know that in my countries wait-lines are long, too. However there IS the possibility to call an emergency- psychatrist (though it might be under the condition to visit a hospital).
I know cause my headmaster has repeatedly contacted them, when the parents were being pushed to the waiting line.
If she is having already an eating disorder or inflicting wounds on herself (has that been checked?), then there is imminent danger, and then she might be seeing a therapist much sooner than in "normal" cases.

posted July 06, 2016 12:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Aren`t there emergency-units in your country?

I know that in my countries wait-lines are long, too. However there IS the possibility to call an emergency- psychatrist (though it might be under the condition to visit a hospital).
I know cause my headmaster has repeatedly contacted them, when the parents were being pushed to the waiting line.
If she is having already an eating disorder or inflicting wounds on herself (has that been checked?), then there is imminent danger, and then she might be seeing a therapist much sooner than in "normal" cases.

I donīt know the background though. And I am relieved to hear that people take care of her.

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We're doing our best

No self inflicted wounds as far as I've seen but she was once caught with strange bruises on the inside of her thighs. No explanation or cause was given or found. That was during her mother's watch; or so father said.

Randall will move this unless we keep it astrological.
Pluto HAVE been known to create undesirable characteristics in humans, yes? I think we all know this. It doesn't NEED to point to abuse.

posted July 06, 2016 12:46 PM            

She is not old enough for puberty yet but she is in the stage of being prepubescent. This is the time when children's sexual development becomes externalized and they search for answers and information from outside sources - peers, parents, media etc. Her behavior is harmful which means that something somewhere went wrong and if she is exhibiting this behavior now it will only get worse in her teenage years.

This is malignant femininity - aggression towards the mother, emotional manipulation, inappropriate sexual behavior etc.

There is a very real possibility that abuse may have triggered this but it could also be something less traumatizing and more subtle like family dynamics and neglect.

This is exactly the time where this behavior has to be caught, examined and reformed before it can fester into puberty and end up developing into a personality disorder when she becomes an adult.

Astrologically you should check the state of the sexual planets (Venus & Mars) as well as the Moon. Especially how they relate to Saturn and Pluto. The 8th House as well. That Mars/Pluto square is distressing on its own...

posted July 06, 2016 01:11 PM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
Immediate assumption - flawed parenting and all the horrible things that can result from it.

She is not old enough for puberty yet but she is in the stage of being prepubescent. This is the time when children's sexual development becomes externalized and they search for answers and information from outside sources - peers, parents, media etc. Her behavior is harmful which means that something somewhere went wrong and if she is exhibiting this behavior now it will only get worse in her teenage years.

This is malignant femininity - aggression towards the mother, emotional manipulation, inappropriate sexual behavior etc.

There is a very real possibility that abuse may have triggered this but it could also be something less traumatizing and more subtle like family dynamics and neglect.

This is exactly the time where this behavior has to be caught, examined and reformed before it can fester into puberty and end up developing into a personality disorder when she becomes an adult.

Astrologically you should check the state of the sexual planets (Venus & Mars) as well as the Moon. Especially how they relate to Saturn and Pluto. The 8th House as well. That Mars/Pluto square is distressing on its own...

I really hope people will be able to help her. There is nothing more heartbreaking than ruining a child's emotional and mental well-being and it happens so much in the world. My thoughts are with her.

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posted July 06, 2016 02:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
She is 9 years old!!!!

If children of that age "play the martyr", something has been going REALLY wrong in the first years of their life.

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In my experience children of her age are capable of manipulating emotionally, whether it's entirely conscious or not. And they do this consistently to/with their parents.
Phrases like "no one loves me" or "I'm so ugly" or "I do everything wrong" are so very typical of Cancer Moons and people with this placement have recycled all three very often in front of me.

I find it disturbing that she is:

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Originally posted by charlie:

-obsessed with money and which type of job generates most

-contacts random boys on Instagram to "meet up and cuddle" while sending pics of herself. Her account was also linked to a sex site where other children was found.

-sexual and unhealthy undercurents that comes out as hostility or extreme jealousy

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however, i am not at all surprised. This is not so uncommon behaviour these days.

posted July 06, 2016 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by outofideas:
however, i am not at all surprised. This is not so uncommon behaviour these days.

Our chart is to a degree an expression of the people around us.
Nevermind that she already has an eating disorder, possibly neglected by her parents. I bet she is consuming mostly junk and sugary foods. That is extremely unhealthy and will be immediately reflected in her behaviour.

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posted July 06, 2016 03:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
She is 9 years old!!!!

If children of that age "play the martyr", something has been going REALLY wrong in the first years of their life.

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posted July 06, 2016 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ann7:
Seriously?! How does a 9 year old have access to messaging people and how in the hell does she have an "account" that is linked to a sex site???!!!

My kid is 14 and just now got her first cell... Not only that but there are parental controls on the phone and her computer.

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posted July 08, 2016 11:24 AM            

She is a DRAMA QUEEN. She can't seem to watch what she says and offends people because she speaks before she thinks. Often when she is mad, she will play the martyr and say things like, "Maybe I should just die!! I'll starve myself to death!" And all, which I will say is partly due to her Cancer Moon, but also her Mars-Pluto opposition. She never stops talking about boys and it is to the point of obsession, and she gets distracted by boys in school. Multiple times have we caught her in porn-related incidents at the age of 11!!! She even used the school email for stuff related to porn!!

She's too stubborn. My dad can stand there and scream all he wants at her for it, and it won't stop her. SHE NEVER LEARNS!!! Her room is never, ever clean and she can't stop stealing things from people. She is a mouthy brat and can't shut her mouth when she needs to, and often she stuffs her face with sugar 24/7! She then complains about her weight and my parents tell her it's her obsession with candy, yet she doesn't stop. She's ******* 12! She's also 5'5" at 12 years of age! She also only cares about looks and calls everybody ugly, including me, and she has that stuck-up attitude.

Basically, I don't know. They require the use of Chromebooks at her school, something I disagree with, and that may be contributing to it. We've stopped her on some things (such as porn and all), but others she just doesn't give up. I'm afraid of what will happen to her when she goes out on her own :/