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Topic: How to get a scorpio mars to do something they dont want to do?
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Gabby
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posted July 06, 2016 05:58 PM
  
Is it even possible? Is there anyway to manipulate them into it? Do they only get more stubborn the more you ask, plead n cry, if necessary? I have 3 Scorpio Mars in my life...i dont know how to get these ppl to do anything that is not already on their preferred list of things to do. N then once i make my request it seems they get even more stubborn about not doing it until their chosen time. Do they even care that you have needs to?
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Doux Rêve
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posted July 06, 2016 06:11 PM
Haha. Oops. Depends on what it is. And how you ask. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted July 06, 2016 06:27 PM
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Haha. Oops. Depends on what it is. And how you ask.
Initially i ask very sweetly....but eventually i get mad. Thats when they get even more obstinate. How do i ask initially that would motivate them?
Do they just move slow no matter what? IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted July 06, 2016 06:49 PM
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I absolutely hate to be asked to do something, especially by family members. So yes, I will be obstinate and it's hard to "motivate" me, especially if the tone of voice is too "bossy" for my taste. I have a "if you can do it yourself, then do it yourself" type of philosophy (when it comes to domestic matters especially) so when someone asks me to do something for them even though I very well know they could do it themselves, it drives me bonkers. That being said, it works best if you're genuinely nice and in NEED of assistance. If you sound manipulative or "too nice", that will also not work in your favor... I must add that my Mars is in the 6H of domestic matters/chores/everyday stuff, so I feel like my "selfishness" in that regard is amplified. And I have very bad history with being "bossed around", so those things are a very sensitive spot for me. Not sure if it helps; but that's been my experience! IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted July 06, 2016 07:00 PM
Well, it's definitely not something i can do myself! Lol
It's something i could be more patient about but im tired of being patient, ive been patient with ppl and it never gets me anywhere. Is my attitude going to make a scorp Mars walk away? He's still here so far and keeps dealing with me being annoying about this, hes just now finally acting like he might give some. Omg, they are so annoying! I would have shut up about this hours ago if he even acted slightly interested in meeting me half way, but no!! So of course ill keep going! IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted July 06, 2016 07:05 PM
Your question made me laugh a bit - I don't think it's possible. I don't know many Mars in Scorpio, though. You could always do the same thing to them, I guess. If they need you to do something, but you don't want to. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted July 06, 2016 07:47 PM
@Teasel
I tend to agree, you cant!! Lol
Two of these ppl are my sons, the other the guy im seeing.
They are all super annoying! LolIP: Logged |
Electro DGX
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posted July 07, 2016 12:29 AM
As a Scorpio Mars I shall say this: you cannot do anything. While the question is a bit general, I will say that we are overly stubborn creatures  ------------------
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theunknown
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posted July 07, 2016 12:46 AM
Lol... They are not only stubborn, they are quite egoistical and controlling. Even when I ask them to do something and they end up doing it, they'll do quietly and there's no confirmation that they'll do it. ... And my cap Mars sextile Pluto is supposed to be less manipulative and more compatible with them.  They like it the other way around. They give orders and you follow. No questions IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted July 07, 2016 08:34 AM
^ We're not all as*holes though...
I don't give orders. I just don't want any given to me. But Gabby, It's hard to see what the problem here is, especially if it's the guy you're seeing. If he's not willing to help you out with something that you clearly need help with, then that's a sign of disrespect. It's one thing to be 'selfish' with family members (especially in a parent/child relationship) but it's another thing entirely to act like a d!ck to someone you're supposed to be into... IMO, of course. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted July 07, 2016 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
^ We're not all as*holes though...
I don't give orders. I just don't want any given to me. But Gabby, It's hard to see what the problem here is, especially if it's the guy you're seeing. If he's not willing to help you out with something that you clearly need help with, then that's a sign of disrespect. It's one thing to be 'selfish' with family members (especially in a parent/child relationship) but it's another thing entirely to act like a d!ck to someone you're supposed to be into... IMO, of course.
Lol, thank you!
Its a point of view that he was refusing to see. It should have been easy to see as its the only logical point of view. But it wasnt his idea or his thoughts while his thoughts initially were not logical regarding this.
When I pointed that out he refused to see it and stubbornly argued in circles to defend nonsense.
He did finally accept it, n see that his point of view was creating the issue. But it took an entire day n half for him to stop being so stubborn n holding onto an obviously defective thought pattern.
We are both virgo moons, he has virgo Mercury, Pluto, Uranus and Moon....he had to have known all along that his thoughts made no logical sense but that scorp Mars wouldn't let it go. IP: Logged |
ilunatique
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posted July 07, 2016 10:24 AM
I know a scorpio mars, virgo moon aquarius sun and he is actually a submissive type. But only with the people he considers good.IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted July 07, 2016 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I absolutely hate to be asked to do something, especially by family members. So yes, I will be obstinate and it's hard to "motivate" me, especially if the tone of voice is too "bossy" for my taste. I have a "if you can do it yourself, then do it yourself" type of philosophy (when it comes to domestic matters especially) so when someone asks me to do something for them even though I very well know they could do it themselves, it drives me bonkers. That being said, it works best if you're genuinely nice and in NEED of assistance. If you sound manipulative or "too nice", that will also not work in your favor... I must add that my Mars is in the 6H of domestic matters/chores/everyday stuff, so I feel like my "selfishness" in that regard is amplified. And I have very bad history with being "bossed around", so those things are a very sensitive spot for me. Not sure if it helps; but that's been my experience!
I don't know D, I am the same way and I have Mars in Leo, Sun in the 10th and mercury conjunct MC. My mom is a Cap with mars opposite pluto and loooooooves to delegate and delegate and as a child she wanted to turn me into her personal assistant and I hated it. I soon started to refuse any "orders" or "commands" period lol, I have this attitude of if you want something done do it yourself similar to you or if something bothers you fix it yourself. Anyhoo perhaps this is more of a fixed mars thing but yes mars in scorpio is more stubborn than mars in leo any day I suppose if I go by comparing my husband and I. However, he also has Taurus rising opposing his mars so perhaps he is more stubborn than a typical mars in scorpio. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted July 07, 2016 11:29 AM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
[b]Well, I can only speak for myself, but I absolutely hate to be asked to do something, especially by family members. So yes, I will be obstinate and it's hard to "motivate" me, especially if the tone of voice is too "bossy" for my taste. I have a "if you can do it yourself, then do it yourself" type of philosophy (when it comes to domestic matters especially) so when someone asks me to do something for them even though I very well know they could do it themselves, it drives me bonkers. That being said, it works best if you're genuinely nice and in NEED of assistance. If you sound manipulative or "too nice", that will also not work in your favor... I must add that my Mars is in the 6H of domestic matters/chores/everyday stuff, so I feel like my "selfishness" in that regard is amplified. And I have very bad history with being "bossed around", so those things are a very sensitive spot for me. Not sure if it helps; but that's been my experience!
I don't know D, I am the same way and I have Mars in Leo, Sun in the 10th and mercury conjunct MC.My mom is a Cap with mars opposite pluto and loooooooves to delegate and delegate and as a child she wanted to turn me into her personal assistant and I hated it. I soon started to refuse any "orders" or "commands" period lol, I have this attitude of if you want something done do it yourself similar to you or if something bothers you fix it yourself. Anyhoo perhaps this is more of a fixed mars thing but yes mars in scorpio is more stubborn than mars in leo any day I suppose if I go by comparing my husband and I. However, he also has Taurus rising opposing his mars so perhaps he is more stubborn than a typical mars in scorpio.[/B][/QUOTE] OMG his AC opposing his Mars forms a tsquare with my venus conjunct Mars in Leo which are the apex or release point of his opposition then...
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DopGang
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posted July 07, 2016 11:39 AM
I know a Scorpio mars, Libra moon.
It seems that the rest of the chart matters a lot, perhaps moon in particular?
I notice with them that they really want what they think is fair and right to do. This person cannot ignore it and it will make them do what is right. (That's what I've noticed with this person who I am very close to)
I'd look at moon also. What a person feels is one of the biggest motivators of what they end up doing. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted July 07, 2016 11:52 AM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
Is it even possible? Is there anyway to manipulate them into it? Do they only get more stubborn the more you ask, plead n cry, if necessary? I have 3 Scorpio Mars in my life...i dont know how to get these ppl to do anything that is not already on their preferred list of things to do. N then once i make my request it seems they get even more stubborn about not doing it until their chosen time. Do they even care that you have needs to?
My husband has this placement at an angle right on this DC opposing his AC and he is extremely stubborn. On our wedding his brother even mentioned it on his toast and said something around how lucky he is to find someone as patient as me...something along those lines but more diplomatically put. He is VERY difficult, he is not easy to deal with and manage and he hates to compromise and compromise does not come easy. Ohh and when he wants something he will not stop till he gets his way, he will not stop, a force to be reckoned with. Yes it is annoying and can be draining and leave you feeling like "OMG seriously?." That been said in spite of his extremely difficult personality and my family will also attest to this as they have witnessed it first row too, yes you can get him to do things you want and to compromise but is hard and tactics must be used as well as persistence and he has to love you. Its not easy, it takes time, patience and persistence. I suppose it really helps that his sun is in libra and his moon in cancer. I looooooove this huge sweetness he has underneath the stubborness and the charm, wittiness, humor, creativity, eccentricity, rebelliousness and think outside the box mind. Now if you are trying to change his view on something its not happening LOL but he has the right to have his opinions which in my husband's case are usually extremely well thought out. If he thinks something he has researched it typically in depth. After all he has mars in scorpio and mercury in scorpio too with mercury trine moon in the 3rd so in a way he is probably right. IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted July 07, 2016 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by DopGang:
I know a Scorpio mars, Libra moon.
It seems that the rest of the chart matters a lot, perhaps moon in particular?
I notice with them that they really want what they think is fair and right to do. This person cannot ignore it and it will make them do what is right. (That's what I've noticed with this person who I am very close to)
I'd look at moon also. What a person feels is one of the biggest motivators of what they end up doing.
Interesting my husband is an INTJ too and the last guy I was talking too as well. Strange since INTJ are a minority. Isn't it just like 1% of the population or something? IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted July 07, 2016 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
We are both virgo moons, he has virgo Mercury, Pluto, Uranus and Moon....he had to have known all along that his thoughts made no logical sense but that scorp Mars wouldn't let it go.
hahaha cute.....I suppose their stubbornness is annoying but in a way cute.
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hypatia238
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posted July 07, 2016 12:18 PM
You know what is interesting that I think my father is perfect and my only complaint is that I felt growing up that my mother was truly the one in charge (mars in aquarius opposite pluto) and he would always just give in and go along with her to avoid conflict (he has mars in libra). I remember at an early age deciding that I wanted to marry a guy that had a very strong character like me who would not let himself be manipulated by me and have more of an equal partnership and Lord and Behold I end up marrying a Mars in Scorpio guy with Taurus rising and almost became engaged to a Sun in Scorpio conjunct Uranus so yes I like strong guys but it definitely comes with its share of headaches too LOL....Sorry for bombarding the thread but I have too much experience with this placement not to say a lot.....9 years with this guy! IP: Logged |
hypatia238
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posted July 07, 2016 01:30 PM
Mars in Scorpio at times:  However with moon in Virgo I bet he can keep his cool better.. IP: Logged |
Electro DGX
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posted July 07, 2016 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Mars in Scorpio at times: However with moon in Virgo I bet he can keep his cool better..
With my 8th house Moon and my Mars conjunct the Ascendant, that's me ALL THE TIME lol. I want to destroy things. When I run into a wall, I want to take it out lol ------------------
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Gabby
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posted July 07, 2016 02:12 PM
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OMG his AC opposing his Mars forms a tsquare with my venus conjunct Mars in Leo which are the apex or release point of his opposition then...
That's awesome, do you feel that? Does it seem like your able to get him to trust, open up n respect your ideas even when they differ from his easier than others have? IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted July 07, 2016 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
My husband has this placement at an angle right on this DC opposing his AC and he is extremely stubborn. On our wedding his brother even mentioned it on his toast and said something around how lucky he is to find someone as patient as me...something along those lines but more diplomatically put. He is VERY difficult, he is not easy to deal with and manage and he hates to compromise and compromise does not come easy. Ohh and when he wants something he will not stop till he gets his way, he will not stop, a force to be reckoned with. Yes it is annoying and can be draining and leave you feeling like "OMG seriously?." That been said in spite of his extremely difficult personality and my family will also attest to this as they have witnessed it first row too, yes you can get him to do things you want and to compromise but is hard and tactics must be used as well as persistence and he has to love you. Its not easy, it takes time, patience and persistence. I suppose it really helps that his sun is in libra and his moon in cancer. I looooooove this huge sweetness he has underneath the stubborness and the charm, wittiness, humor, creativity, eccentricity, rebelliousness and think outside the box mind. Now if you are trying to change his view on something its not happening LOL but he has the right to have his opinions which in my husband's case are usually extremely well thought out. If he thinks something he has researched it typically in depth. After all he has mars in scorpio and mercury in scorpio too with mercury trine moon in the 3rd so in a way he is probably right.
That's good to know Hyp, thank you!
My guy has a cancer AC...n yea he did compromise n admit that my thoughts on it were correct n he will adjust. Then i had to apologize for getting so upset n being repetitive instead of saying my peice n letting him have time to digest it. My stupid Gemini Mars doesn't shut up until its driven into the ground or the other person gives in. I hate that about myself. IP: Logged |
DopGang
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posted July 07, 2016 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Interesting my husband is an INTJ too and the last guy I was talking too as well. Strange since INTJ are a minority. Isn't it just like 1% of the population or something?
Yeah I'm not sure of the exact percentage. I think it varies depending on who's giving the statistics but it's not a lot.
I can't deny that it's who I am and it matches very well to the personality that I know myself to have but if I could be a different personality type I would in a heartbeat. I hate it. I guess there's some reason to be INTJ but social interaction certainly isn't a strength. IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted July 07, 2016 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by DopGang:
I know a Scorpio mars, Libra moon.
It seems that the rest of the chart matters a lot, perhaps moon in particular?
I notice with them that they really want what they think is fair and right to do. This person cannot ignore it and it will make them do what is right. (That's what I've noticed with this person who I am very close to)
I'd look at moon also. What a person feels is one of the biggest motivators of what they end up doing.
Scorp with Libra is a good combo then? IP: Logged |
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