posted October 27, 2016 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Not my business to interfere but I like you all and don't like seeing fallouts. You folks seem to be actually agreeing with each other, at least on the main topic, but not seeing it.

Black people are still coming out from centuries of discrimination and I do think that needs a different kind of respect for their ongoing plight and all the ways it plays out.

Afro discrimination would annoy the hell out of me and make me feel defiant, too. Well in some ways it's similar to how I as a woman have felt pressure to not be a woman but be more like a man, and have been ridiculed for being a stay at home mother time and again, in a society where people interpret that as weak and stupid.

In all cases of discrimination the solution is as Elysia and Dop were saying. But there is also the healing felt in just commiserating with others about the suffering they collectively face. To me it's all about timing. There's a time to look at the problems we share, a time to look at the solution.

On this thread the timing got mixed up, that's all. No harm intended on either side, I don't think....but sorry if I make anything worse by offering this opinion.

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Hmm, right..

Didn't mean to not commiserate though. I was focusing on the "image issues" people deal with in society.. Then it escalated to racism and my comments were taken out of context.
That's a whole other issue..

I was offering support. And I kept meeting aggressiveness and resistance on tangential topics when I wasn't even disagreeing. Explained twice, didn't feel like explaining a third time. It was like talking to a wall. So I left.

@headintheclouds,
Acceptance begins at home. It's how we overcame a lot of (not all, of course) evils of racism in times past. It's when people themselves, and some people who support them, accept them for who they are. That gives them impetus to "change" things for the better.

The "acceptance" I'm talking about is SELF ACCEPTANCE. Something like this.

IMO, the topic segued into racism et al and that messed things up. We don't need to "find a solution" either, yes we can simply commiserate. But I don't like being in conversations where someone's being combative just for the heck of it. No thanks.

posted October 27, 2016 12:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
@headintheclouds,
Acceptance begins at home. It's how we overcame a lot of (not all, of course) evils of racism in times past. It's when people themselves, and some people who support them, accept them for who they are. That gives them impetus to "change" things for the better.

The "acceptance" I'm talking about is SELF ACCEPTANCE. Something like

this.

IMO, the topic segued into racism et al and that messed things up. We don't need to "find a solution" either, yes we can simply commiserate. But I don't like being in conversations where someone's being combative just for the heck of it. No thanks.

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posted October 27, 2016 12:55 PM            

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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:

I am sorry that i misunderstood you

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posted October 27, 2016 12:58 PM            

Oops misread you Elysia

Computer overload today

Gonna go have a life.

posted October 27, 2016 12:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
No problem, we're on the same page now.

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posted October 27, 2016 01:50 PM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
You guys should just make out and forget about it (DopGang and headintheclouds91)...

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posted October 27, 2016 02:36 PM            

Let me throw this out there for pondering.
A Gemini moon and a cancer moon.

Which is most likely to cling onto the emotional hurt of friendships gone wrong?
I'm not saying that it's not possible to be flip flopped, but what is the most likely scenario?

Answer that and you have your answer here.

With that, I'm officially, finally, signing off this thread and your future threads. Not because I have an issue but in an effort to avoid your issues.
I feel strongly about racial issues and it's been no secret to anyone on this site. So for me to pop into a thread like this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.
It's not the first time tension had broken out between myself and other members about such topics.
Obviously you believe it's otherwise that I'm in here. Obviously you have some issues left to take care of and you insist on projecting them on me. I gave you my honest feedback on this topic which is consistent with all other feedback that I have and will give on future topics of this nature. It's out there for anyone to see.
What else is out there for anyone to see is that you, not I, make it personal and bring up the end of our friendship. I've not brought it up ONCE since the week that it took place. Not once. I've not even hinted at it and there's PLENTY of your threads that I don't enter because I'm not interested in the subject matter. Nothing to do with the poster (you).
I've made regular efforts to treat you no differently than before and you won't let me. You won't let things be and let things go. You keep bringing this up and keep pointing fingers at me insisting that you know how I feel. How can you know? I've been trying to be normal. I've not been stalking your threads and neither have I been avoiding them. I was hoping for some kind of normalcy here. There was nothing there so there's nothing really lost, is there? I didn't think so. So I don't understand why it needs to be like this. Why can't we just enjoy LL and if we cross paths, we cross paths? I don't understand why there needs to be more meaning behind things. I really don't get it.
But if it makes you feel better for me to stay out of your threads.

Let's bury it and move on.

posted October 27, 2016 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:

But if it makes you feel better for me to stay out of your threads.

Let's bury it and move on.

"Peace out"

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posted October 28, 2016 01:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Geminiyoungster:
Why do some white people come in and compare ridiculous things to skin color or sexuality? It's just weird to me..

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DG: Well out there I'm sure that there are people who don't like me because I'm white or that I have a beard and look like a caveman.

HitC: But do you experience that wherever you go though? Where you brought up learning and thinking that your skin color and your damn hair is not the way your supposed to look like?

DG: Perhaps not for my skin. I was ridiculed on a daily basis at times, for years,

HitC: But do you experience that wherever you go though?

HitC: But do you experience that wherever you go though?
HitC: But do you experience that wherever you go though?

HitC: You don`t get it. And don`t act like i am not allowed to complain about it too. This is my thread btw that was made for black females that do get it.

DG: It was grade school to adult.
DG: It was grade school to adult.

HitC: You don`t get it. And don`t act like i am not allowed to complain about it too. This is my thread btw that was made for black females that do get it.

soren: i dont really know how racism works. i know how it *appears*

F: Afro discrimination would annoy the hell out of me and make me feel defiant, too.

DG: there are people who don't like me because I'm white or that I have a beard and look like a caveman. S**t happens.

F: Afro discrimination would annoy the hell out of me and make me feel defiant, too.

DG: there are people who don't like me because I'm white or that I have a beard and look like a caveman. S**t happens.

F: Afro discrimination would annoy the hell out of me and make me feel defiant, too.

E: I get it

HitC: You don`t get it.

E: I get it

HitC: You don`t get it.
E: I get it, it's hard to deal with people thinking something's wrong with you for the silliest reasons.

HitC: You don`t get it. And don`t act like i am not allowed to complain about it too. This is my thread btw that was made for black females that do get it.

DG: a woman at work asked me if I'm gay
DG: She didn't
DG: didn’t
DG: didn’t
DG: didn’t
DG: didn’t sound very nice about it either.

DG: Btw,

DG: Btw, Btw,

posted October 28, 2016 04:00 AM            

Based on the response I'm currious to find the following:

1) What are the placements of the user.
2) What region are they comming from.
3) If any clues can indicate what there enviromental upbringing was like.

Racism has more to do with upbringing and the preception of being disadvantaged for various reasons ( race, religon, s*ex, income and etc..)

The problem is its very easy to get a negative impression of another culture if the first experience is a negative one or the parents had a negative experience and pass it to the children.

The problem is people don't always see that.
I'm originally from Toronto, for the exception of Toronto, Montreal and downtown Vancouver the rest of the country is basically farmland or mineral/oil/gas extraction.

My mom and dad decided to buy something off of kijji but its in the "backwoods". I tell my mom please don't demonstrate asian cheapness, some of these people have never/rarely encountered a brown person before, please be fair.

First thing she does is low ball as much as possible.

Side note..
In Canada one the biggest problems and will continue to be a problem is "langauge wars".

It had nothing to do with race, gender, sexual orientation.

Both the French-Canadians and the Anglo-Canadians discriminate at each other and call foul on each other.

French-Canadians complain there culture is under threat.

But....at the same time Anglo-Canadians complain now there being discriminated because certain jobs, mainly public service/goverment require knowledge of the french language and they call foul.

I put that example because it can be anything regarding being disadvantaged.

posted October 28, 2016 04:11 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Well out there I'm sure that there are people who don't like me because I'm white or that I have a beard and look like a caveman. S**t happens.
I think the point was that no matter how determined you are (anyone) you will NEVER EVER change everyone's perception of you. It'll never happen.
So the more productive and less fruitless path to take is this approach. Because wanting to change perception is nearly impossible.
If someone is racist, being angry with them almost certainly reinforces that racism and I wish people could understand that.
If you love and are confident in yourself despite these things that you complain about then I think you'll be more likely to truly get what you're wanting.
I've lived with this within my own family. I'm very aware of what kinds of actions create other reactions.

Also, if you're on some level self conscious about it to where you're almost expecting these unfavorable responses then that's what you'll observe even if you're wrong. You always have to consider that you've misjudged someone else.

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Peoples perception can change if a member of that group suddenly appears and demonstrates traits that are contradictory to there experience or teaching, but its a long shot.

Let say you need a kidney...then you discover who the donor is you then discover its not-Caucasian.

These type of things do occur, but on a rare basis.

More likely to occur in a major city as there are more people of diffrent ethics groups and they are forced to get along if they don't like each other, otherwise there will be lots of problems!!!.

You also have a point, as mentioned i'm from a bigger city and I do tend to look down on people from the "backwoods".

But..I've meet a few nice country people that have sorta changed by perspective a bit.. still not there yet, but getting there.

People from bigger cities do tend to label people in the country side as "red necks" or poorly educated hillbillies and discriminate them.

Then non-caucasians in the cities claim racism against the "rednecks".

So it goes both ways.

posted October 28, 2016 04:15 AM            

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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:
If so how does it affect you? When i walk around with my fro people look at me like i am being inappropriate or crazy for walking around with my hair like that which i find very laughable but also a little annoying. But why is that? i honestly didn`t think afro was a big deal but by the looks i get almost everyday it apparently is. People look at me like i am not from this planet.

State your asc, mercury and moon signs too.

I am a gem asc, lib mercury and cancer moon.

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Hey I understand where you are coming from. I don't have an afro often but sometimes when I do have one, I don't feel inappropriate but I feel all eyes on me. I'm from a big diverse place so it isn't unusual or wrong to see someone with an afro.

I think it definitely depends on the location. In bigger multiracial diverse cities/towns/countries it may not be that big of a deal (it still matters but it's not shocking or offensive). But in smaller, homogeneous cities/towns/countries it maybe a big deal because in those places it's more about fitting in than standing out.

I'm from the US and RACE is a big thing here. Where are you from btw? I have read social media posts where black girls with Afros are treated like zoo animals. People touching their hair without asking, making comments about their hair as if they are not there/listening, etc. There is also a big thing about wearing your hair natural to work. Some wear an afro some don't.

I personally don't wear afros to work/professional environments because I recognize the stigma/history. I also don't want to stand out or be seen as "inappropriate" Even so, I'm not even an afro person to begin with anyway (I'm more of a bun, twists/twist out person). BTW I LOVE MY NATURAL HAIR/HAD IT ALL MY LIFE.

Lastly I would say, as a black American there is a stigma in the black community about natural hair. A lot of older folks don't like it and see it as inappropriate (unless you have "good" hair aka looser curled hair). There is a lot of shame with natural hair. A lot of my friends were put down and made fun of by their family for their natural hair textures.

I think it's a reflection of Mainstream USA's history/relationship with blacks. And how blacks always feel that they have to try and oftentimes fail at assimilating into the mainstream culture. There is a lot more to say but I'll stop at that. I'm sure you get it though,

posted October 28, 2016 04:50 AM            

I am liking your comment. Thanks for sharing that tidbit about your country and the language wars going on. I never knew that and I'm learning something new everyday. BTW I love Canada.

Random but I read that in Canada there is discrimination against the native Indians there. I read about the Highway of Tears murders and the Saskatoon freezing deaths A tidbit about the Saskatoon freezing deaths:

"These deaths may have been caused by members of the Saskatoon Police Service, officers of which allegedly arrested Aboriginal men (usually for drunkenness and/or disorderly behavior), drove them out of the city in the dead of winter, and abandoned them there. The practice was known as taking Aboriginal people for "starlight tours"".

Anyways I just gotta make a couple of points.

"The problem is its very easy to get a negative impression of another culture if the first experience is a negative one or the parents had a negative experience and pass it to the children."

In my personal opinion I disagree with this comment that you wrote. As I mention before I'm a black American from a big city. RACE is a big thing in USA because of the history of race relations here. Racism isn't always about the first experience of another culture/race being negative. I think it's more that a lot of people have been brainwashed by the media/popular culture/history into thinking negative stereotypes of another culture/race. Lac of experience with others from another culture/race that produces fear and mistrust.

Example: The geography of the USA is spread out and big. A lot of places in America don't have a large population of minorities/Blacks (and are relatively homogenous) so they don't have anything to base their ideas of minorities/Blacks on.

However blacks (and everyone else) are usually negatively portrayed in media/tv as poor, uneducated, violent, and loud. So people viewing this without the experiences of meeting black people or having black neighbors, friends, coworkers/etc. see this and think all blacks are like this.

I also think it's ignorance and fear. I think racism is passed down regardless of experiences (or lack of) and just about superiorty complexes and wanting to feel better than someone.

posted October 28, 2016 10:27 PM            

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Originally posted by @lycat74:
@DualGemV2:

I am liking your comment. Thanks for sharing that tidbit about your country and the language wars going on. I never knew that and I'm learning something new everyday. BTW I love Canada.

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As long as we can respect each others opinions thats all that matters. We might not entirely agree, but as long as were respectful of the others opinion its a step in the right direction .

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...Random but I read that in Canada there is discrimination against the native Indians there. I read about the Highway of Tears murders and the Saskatoon freezing deaths A tidbit about the Saskatoon freezing deaths:

"These deaths may have been caused by members of the Saskatoon Police Service, officers of which allegedly arrested Aboriginal men (usually for drunkenness and/or disorderly behavior), drove them out of the city in the dead of winter, and abandoned them there. The practice was known as taking Aboriginal people for "starlight tours"".

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Your correct aboriginals have always been the most disadvantaged ethnic group and continue to do so. Most people consider there reserves as third world, many don't even have access to clean drinking water.

Some even consider the younger Aborginals in Canada a lost generation.

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"The problem is its very easy to get a negative impression of another culture if the first experience is a negative one or the parents had a negative experience and pass it to the children."

In my personal opinion I disagree with this comment that you wrote. As I mention before I'm a black American from a big city. RACE is a big thing in USA because of the history of race relations here. Racism isn't always about the first experience of another culture/race being negative. I think it's more that a lot of people have been brainwashed by the media/popular culture/history into thinking negative stereotypes of another culture/race. Lac of experience with others from another culture/race that produces fear and mistrust.

Example: The geography of the USA is spread out and big. A lot of places in America don't have a large population of minorities/Blacks (and are relatively homogenous) so they don't have anything to base their ideas of minorities/Blacks on.

However blacks (and everyone else) are usually negatively portrayed in media/tv as poor, uneducated, violent, and loud. So people viewing this without the experiences of meeting black people or having black neighbors, friends, coworkers/etc. see this and think all blacks are like this.

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I understand your point, again its different mechanism here in Canada. Here people are luke warm of different cultures coming in, not hostile but Luke warm.

The stereotypes do exist, but its sorta in the back of your mind sorta thing..so its like a yellow light approach with caution.

Especially in the smaller towns, small town gosip holds more then media does.

So the encounter makes a difference, its different too because it use to be the case where everyone in Canada was once poor and as a result everyone would be sympathetic to each other.

Some places are still like that others have
gotten weary of other cultures trying to dominate. So the first impression either proves or disproves what the person thought.

No offense, I think its kinda foolish to take everything from the media as fact. A country with a populous that thinks that way is deeply concerning.

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I also think it's ignorance and fear. I think racism is passed down regardless of experiences (or lack of) and just about superiorty complexes and wanting to feel better than someone.

Keep it mind that desegregation (the integration of whites & blacks in society) in the US has only been legalized for about 52 years. The US is 238 years old. 186 years of racism isn't gonna change overnight. Like there are still sundown towns. These towns in the usa south prohibits blacks from entering their towns after dark.

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I have to be cautions when I say this.. and I don't mean to offend.

Its a problematic issue because neither Caucasians or blacks handle the issue correctly.

As soon as there is police brutality against a non-caucasian, blacks will start mobbing or rioting which make both blacks and whites look bad.

posted October 29, 2016 01:26 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
I have to be cautions when I say this.. and I don't mean to offend.

Its a problematic issue because neither Caucasians or blacks handle the issue correctly.

As soon as there is police brutality against a non-caucasian, blacks will start mobbing or rioting which make both blacks and whites look bad.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

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I agree both Blacks and Whites don't handle the situations properly. But how can you handle this situation? Talking? (ha), The Law (haha), nothing doesn't seem to work.

Also it's important to mention that your statement is false. "As soon as there is police brutality against a non-caucasian, blacks will start mobbing or rioting which make both blacks and whites look bad."

posted October 29, 2016 01:52 AM            

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Originally posted by @lycat74:
I agree both Blacks and Whites don't handle the situations properly. But how can you handle this situation? Talking? (ha), The Law (haha), nothing doesn't seem to work.

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Well, when you consider the fact that the requirements to be a police officer is only a high school or GED...

...and then for the exception of the Ivy League schools, the quality of education is on the decline.

Then it shouldn't come as surprise that law enforcement can do some foolish things and unaware of the laws there suppose to protect.

Followed by the people who are violated but unable to diffuse it correctly.

However, someone with a legal background that knows how the system works can eventually win.

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Originally posted by @lycat74:
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Also it's important to mention that your statement is false. "As soon as there is police brutality against a non-caucasian, blacks will start mobbing or rioting which make both blacks and whites look bad."

Mobbing/Rioting doesn't not happen all the time when there is police brutuality. THERE IS PEACEFUL PROTESTING MOST OF THE TIME. Where did you get that idea/conclusion from?

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According to wiki, mobbing is defined as ".., in the context of human beings, means bullying of an individual by a group, in any context, such as a family, peer group, school, workplace, neighborhood, community, or online".

So even if it is peaceful, your still taunting the police for there actions.

In addition peaceful protesting can lead to other negative impacts.

Aborginals in Canada whould protest all the time regarding the conditions and being so disadvatanged.

They have an argument to make, I agree conditions should be improved. I know how unsafe there drinking water is on the reserves, I whould have been a hydrologist if life didn't take a different turn.

But when they start going out on the street causing traffic disruptions and even causing rail stations to divert train schedules it doesn't add much support to your cause.

I much prefer to find a black lawyer or pro-bono lawyer willing to fight the cause and get the media to cover the trial then openly go out on the street in protest even if it is peaceful.

Even a peaceful protest will have some negative impact.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

posted October 29, 2016 06:49 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
Well, when you consider the fact that the requirements to be a police officer is only a high school or GED...

...and then for the exception of the Ivy League schools, the quality of education is on the decline.

Then it shouldn't come as surprise that law enforcement can do some foolish things and unaware of the laws there suppose to protect.

Followed by the people who are violated but unable to diffuse it correctly.

However, someone with a legal background that knows how the system works can eventually win.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

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@DualGemV2: I don't think the quality of higher education is declining (I can't say that about lower K-12 public school education though). Not everyone is built for college or should go to college. I do think in terms of police officers they should have more training and knowledge (not necessarily a full higher education degree, perhaps 6-months to a year of training). Perhaps more sensitivity training, courses on law & policy, psychology, sociology, the history of the communities/populations they are policing, etc.).

I definitely think they should have more extensive, thorough & annual background checks, mental health examinations, etc.

posted October 29, 2016 07:29 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
According to wiki, mobbing is defined as ".., in the context of human beings, means bullying of an individual by a group, in any context, such as a family, peer group, school, workplace, neighborhood, community, or online".

So even if it is peaceful, your still taunting the police for there actions.

In addition peaceful protesting can lead to other negative impacts.

Aborginals in Canada whould protest all the time regarding the conditions and being so disadvatanged.

They have an argument to make, I agree conditions should be improved. I know how unsafe there drinking water is on the reserves, I whould have been a hydrologist if life didn't take a different turn.

But when they start going out on the street causing traffic disruptions and even causing rail stations to divert train schedules it doesn't add much support to your cause.

I much prefer to find a black lawyer or pro-bono lawyer willing to fight the cause and get the media to cover the trial then openly go out on the street in protest even if it is peaceful.

Even a peaceful protest will have some negative impact.

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Gemini Sun,
Capricorn Rising
Aries Moon
Gemini Mercury
Venus Taurus
Mars Cancer

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@DualGemV2: Peaceful protesting isn't mobbing. Peaceful Protesting usually takes the form of a march/rally where a big group of people walk around with signs, handing out pamphlets/leaflets & yelling. Yes it can be disruptive & annoying (slows down car & pedestrian traffic and there definitely needs to be crowd control). But I wouldn't go as far as calling it negative or mobbing.

Great leaders (Nelson Mandela, Gandi, MLK) have all protested in various ways sit-ins, hunger/transportation strikes with marches/rallies being the most effective.

Protesters are trying to bring attention to their cause and trying to get their message out. How else can they do that other than physical/in your face groundwork.

You mention Aboriginals in your country of Canada. Even if you don't support the method they are protesting you see their faces and know that they are protesting. Sometimes organized public attention & disruption is needed to make change happen.

This all makes me think of MLK and his work with the Civil Rights Movement. If he hadn't done what he did, the laws wouldn't have changed. Him being bold, in your face, and problematic got people's attentions (the right people) and he got it done. He even died for it.

In terms of legal work and the probono black lawyer thing. No offense but it sounds like naive wishful thinking. Again sometimes the system itself is corrupt, and needs some updates/improvements. Just because someone is in a position of authority doesn't make them right or helpful. There are limitations in a system that someone with expertise can't remedy.

A lot of these laws/policies are predatory, out-dated, and systematic racist/targets the poor. There is nothing a lawyer can do if they are dealing with these kinds of things. That why protesting/groundwork is always the first step with changes to the laws/ legal system being one of the last steps.

Lastly protesting is all about changing the law and working side by side with legislators, lawyers, & politicians. It's about building relationships too.

posted October 29, 2016 07:57 AM            

I'm drawn to look at Afros (do restrain myself tho, don't stare), it's curiosity and it feels purely visual / tactile registering - not anything cultural. I think it's just an aesthetic appreciation & not likely negative altho can't speak for others but that's my guess. Maybe, as well, I've heard that hair is to do with sensors .. Psychically .. and maybe that's why unconsciously draws attention.

posted October 29, 2016 08:01 AM            

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Originally posted by @lycat74:
@DualGemV2: Peaceful protesting isn't mobbing. Peaceful Protesting usually takes the form of a march/rally where a big group of people walk around with signs, handing out pamphlets/leaflets & yelling. Yes it can be disruptive & annoying (slows down car & pedestrian traffic and there definitely needs to be crowd control). But I wouldn't go as far as calling it negative or mobbing.

Great leaders (Nelson Mandela, Gandi, MLK) have all protested in various ways sit-ins, hunger/transportation strikes with marches/rallies being the most effective.

Protesters are trying to bring attention to their cause and trying to get their message out. How else can they do that other than physical/in your face groundwork.

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No offense but these methods were great at one time...

However they've lost there effectiveness overtime and are seen in a discouraging way.

Media will always put any protest in a a negative tone.

You mentioned that many Americans will turn to media if they are unfamiliar to certain cultures.

If you know blacks are always going to be displayed negatively why continue to feed it? and feed the negative attention.

If anything protesting on social media is the way to go, not openly on the street.

You can easily get 100 supporters via twiter in a matter of minutes and the message goes much faster.

Thats the correct way to gain support for your cause.

Heck I challenge you....put a thread called "Support for Afro Hair" on lindaland I bet you will get more supporters and more results then if you were to be disruptive on the street about it.

A famous example which I'm sure your familiar. A musician from Halifax had his guitar damaged on transport, instead of protesting on the street via traditional methods he wrote a song called "United Brakes Guitars" on youtube.

Surprisingly it worked...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo

All i'm saying is the methods you described which most would take are redundant, ineffective and just create more negativity.

For big causes you have be creative and bold,
but not bold in the sense that I'm brave to walk out on the street in protest.

Theres much better ways, the black community can do.

Off topic, they started this several years ago to fight Islamophobia in Canada. Basically muslims would welcome there neighbors into there home for dinner.

Maybe they should start doing a meals program for under prevliage white children that would ease things a bit? whould you tend to agree?

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Originally posted by @lycat74:
In terms of legal work and the probono black lawyer thing. No offense but it sounds like naive wishful thinking. Again sometimes the system itself is corrupt, and needs some updates/improvements. Just because someone is in a position of authority doesn't make them right or helpful. There are limitations in a system that someone with expertise can't remedy.

A lot of these laws/policies are predatory, out-dated, and systematic racist/targets the poor. There is nothing a lawyer can do if they are dealing with these kinds of things. That why protesting/groundwork is always the first step with changes to the laws/ legal system being one of the last steps.

Lastly protesting is all about changing the law and working side by side with legislators, lawyers, & politicians. It's about building relationships too.

anyway much love <3

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Different system in the US vs in Canada. I guess I shouldn't complain I read a lot of suppression in your post.

And even with my response...you can maybe spot a trend its about being smart and creative about it, not feeding and playing the same game.

Off topic one of my good female friends is black, shes a math major I can always turn to her for my math problems .

I'm not afraid to ask, the stereotype assumption is its the Asian who should be the better one at math. But I don't care...again I'm from a big city so it makes no difference to me.

posted October 29, 2016 08:03 AM            

i think even halfway from the time the protest began, a seperate oil pipeline spilled somewhere else

posted October 29, 2016 08:31 AM            

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Originally posted by florence:
U.s media is racist. I was shocked as until I saw clips I'd thought the melting pot of America had been a success. But after I've seen clips via Russell brand, and I know it was Fox News so it's a given, but .. Didn't realise it was like that. Russell brands analyses are pretty good on how the media divides.

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It depends on the country and the place, I can't speak for everyone, but most people in Toronto whould question anything that seams a little off on the news.

Inherently were trained to think that way.

Its particular scary for a large powerful country such as the US to have a majority of its population unable to differentiate fact and misinformation on the news.

I blame the downward spiral began with George W Bush being elected, anyone who saw what was coming would be viewed as unpatriotic...and so the herd/crowd gets dumber.

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Originally posted by soren:
i think the protesting of the pipe lines in the US are awesome.

i think even halfway from the time the protest began, a seperate oil pipeline spilled somewhere else

they just came out with a study saying in 4 years we are expected to whipe out 60% of the animals

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Your from Vancouver aren't you?. I assumed the project would never go ahead because of lower commodity prices and "less return on investment".