posted October 29, 2016 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by @lycat74:
@DualGemV2: Peaceful protesting isn't mobbing. Peaceful Protesting usually takes the form of a march/rally where a big group of people walk around with signs, handing out pamphlets/leaflets & yelling. Yes it can be disruptive & annoying (slows down car & pedestrian traffic and there definitely needs to be crowd control). But I wouldn't go as far as calling it negative or mobbing.

Great leaders (Nelson Mandela, Gandi, MLK) have all protested in various ways sit-ins, hunger/transportation strikes with marches/rallies being the most effective.

Protesters are trying to bring attention to their cause and trying to get their message out. How else can they do that other than physical/in your face groundwork.

You mention Aboriginals in your country of Canada. Even if you don't support the method they are protesting you see their faces and know that they are protesting. Sometimes organized public attention & disruption is needed to make change happen.

This all makes me think of MLK and his work with the Civil Rights Movement. If he hadn't done what he did, the laws wouldn't have changed. Him being bold, in your face, and problematic got people's attentions (the right people) and he got it done. He even died for it.

In terms of legal work and the probono black lawyer thing. No offense but it sounds like naive wishful thinking. Again sometimes the system itself is corrupt, and needs some updates/improvements. Just because someone is in a position of authority doesn't make them right or helpful. There are limitations in a system that someone with expertise can't remedy.

A lot of these laws/policies are predatory, out-dated, and systematic racist/targets the poor. There is nothing a lawyer can do if they are dealing with these kinds of things. That why protesting/groundwork is always the first step with changes to the laws/ legal system being one of the last steps.

Lastly protesting is all about changing the law and working side by side with legislators, lawyers, & politicians. It's about building relationships too.

anyway much love <3

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posted October 29, 2016 09:59 AM            

Most people have already heard on the news what has taken place, so having to protest to get in your face about the issue(s) is irrelevant at this point.

They've already made up there mind where they stand. Plus the media has an expectation that thats what blacks will do. So its counterproductive.

The key point I was trying to make as in my other post is social media is the way to go not on the street as thats the way things are done in 2016.

Maybe 20yrs ago protesting worked not now.
As protesting just feeds the negative perception and continues to do so.

Believe me the next protest regarding race issues will have the same predictable results, accomplish absolutely nothing or escalate to much worse things as they will encounter other groups of people that do not agree. Lets not forget about gun control issues in the US as well.

So it can easily escalate to much worse....

On the positive side at least were not arguing about racism here and we agree it exists. Just whats the best way forward.

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posted October 29, 2016 09:23 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
its probably true that black people do recieve more negativity as a whole in society. but its also likely true they are more prejudice and thus absorb more love and have more of a "us" against "them" attitude.

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posted October 30, 2016 07:33 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
Your from Vancouver aren't you?. I assumed the project would never go ahead because of lower commodity prices and "less return on investment".

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posted November 01, 2016 12:20 PM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
No offense but these methods were great at one time...

However they've lost there effectiveness overtime and are seen in a discouraging way.

Media will always put any protest in a a negative tone.

You mentioned that many Americans will turn to media if they are unfamiliar to certain cultures.

If you know blacks are always going to be displayed negatively why continue to feed it? and feed the negative attention.

If anything protesting on social media is the way to go, not openly on the street.

You can easily get 100 supporters via twiter in a matter of minutes and the message goes much faster.

Thats the correct way to gain support for your cause.

Heck I challenge you....put a thread called "Support for Afro Hair" on lindaland I bet you will get more supporters and more results then if you were to be disruptive on the street about it.

A famous example which I'm sure your familiar. A musician from Halifax had his guitar damaged on transport, instead of protesting on the street via traditional methods he wrote a song called "United Brakes Guitars" on youtube.

Surprisingly it worked... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGc4zOqozo

All i'm saying is the methods you described which most would take are redundant, ineffective and just create more negativity.

For big causes you have be creative and bold,
but not bold in the sense that I'm brave to walk out on the street in protest.

Theres much better ways, the black community can do.

Off topic, they started this several years ago to fight Islamophobia in Canada. Basically muslims would welcome there neighbors into there home for dinner.

Maybe they should start doing a meals program for under prevliage white children that would ease things a bit? whould you tend to agree?

Different system in the US vs in Canada. I guess I shouldn't complain I read a lot of suppression in your post.

And even with my response...you can maybe spot a trend its about being smart and creative about it, not feeding and playing the same game.

Off topic one of my good female friends is black, shes a math major I can always turn to her for my math problems .

I'm not afraid to ask, the stereotype assumption is its the Asian who should be the better one at math. But I don't care...again I'm from a big city so it makes no difference to me.
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@DualGemV2: Though I agree that traditional forms of protesting is becoming less effective, I disagree that we should just depend on social media without physical groundwork (aka protesting).

Social Media can just as easily undermine efforts to bring about social change. Yes Social media can give you exposure and numbers, but how many of these people actually care, willing to follow through, do the work/stay informed about this cause? How many just saw something they liked/agreed with on their feed, liked/followed it and then went about their business/forgetting about the message.

Most modern & recent protests in my opinion failed/is failing because they are not well organized/thought out and don't have enough staying power.

This could have nothing to do with the message/issue itself. I kinda blame it on the growing apathy/detachment due to technology/social media of my and later generations. We are so glued to our phones/social media/technology that I don't think a lot of people won't have the energy/focus to put in work for actual social change. Remember that there are 2 worlds the physical world and the virtual world. We exist in both realms, not just the one behind our screens. But that's the Age of Aquarius for you.

By the way it doesn't matter if the media doesn't like/is discouraged by protesting. When the Civil Rights Movement happen, it took a while for the media to care. The media was forced to care/pay attention to the movement because they couldn't ignore it anymore and had to report it. The media sometimes act like a follower, following the popular crowd/trying to fit in, trying to tell you what to do, and oftentimes forgetting it's place (which is simply to give out information).

It was the same with hip hop/rap music; which was seen as this horrible thing, before it became mainstream/popular ( aka monetized).

Your statement, "blacks are always going to be displayed negatively why continue to feed it? and feed the negative attention."

Is very problematic, you are making an assumption that all blacks do, think, and act alike and are all criminals/bad people. I am not a spokesperson for my race BUT I will speak my personal opinion. A LOT of Blacks are not feeding into the negative attention. There are plenty of hard-working, productive, non-violent, smart blacks out there. But the media doesn't like that narrative. They prefer the more negative one. For what reason I really don't know.

Just as you mention the Asian stereotype of being smart/good at math. You are not feeding into that. That stereotype has nothing to do with you, but it's apart of your culture, whether you subscribe/or agree with it. It is what it is.

posted November 02, 2016 02:39 PM            

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Originally posted by headintheclouds91:

Yeah i think so too which i find f.u.c.k.e.d up. I mean straight hair is never seen as inappropriate but with afro it depends on where you are, lol. I swear sometimes i want to punch those people in the faces that have the nerve to look at me like i am out of my mind. Its disgusting.

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posted November 03, 2016 12:40 AM            

I'm not assuming anything negatively about you.

@lycat74

The only thing I assume is your coming from the city meaning you either posses at least a university degree or in the process of finishing one and possibly on your way to grad studies .

I don't know you personally so I can only base it how you construct your arguments, what kind of political views you have and overall how you express yourself on these forums.

Let the person talk first and you can get a good impression quickly what there background is like, the overall environment they were raised in and I see you as a peer and equal .

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Originally posted by @lycat74:
@DualGemV2: .....
Your statement, "blacks are always going to be displayed negatively why continue to feed it? and feed the negative attention."

Is very problematic, you are making an assumption that all blacks do, think, and act alike and are all criminals/bad people. I am not a spokesperson for my race BUT I will speak my personal opinion. A LOT of Blacks are not feeding into the negative attention. There are plenty of hard-working, productive, non-violent, smart blacks out there. But the media doesn't like that narrative. They prefer the more negative one. For what reason I really don't know.

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What I should have explained earlier is its the fundamental problem when people group together or the "Herd Mentality".

The "Herd" might have good intentions, but as soon as one person or a small number of people in that group start to display negative tendencies everyone in the group gets labelled.

It has nothing to do with racism, its the fact when people group together.

As an example both Hillary and Trump have a small group of followers that instantly make the supporters of both candidates look back.

Its the same thing as I explained about Islamaphobia the majority has good intentions, but people focus on the few rather then the majority.

If your smart enough to realize it that great. But most people aren't.

Just so were clear my comment earlier wasn't that I think the majority of black people are that way.

It's just that the media, which is biased (fox news) is waiting to focus on that one person within the group...to focus on there story -> to make everyone else look bad and since most people are narrow minded they will focus on that and make the wrong conclusions.

Sorry for the confusion I thought it was clear earlier.

posted November 03, 2016 02:58 AM            

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Originally posted by DualGemV2:
Sorry I didn't respond sooner, I had a big discrete math midterm and no I'm not running away, lol.

I'm not assuming anything negatively about you.

@lycat74

The only thing I assume is your coming from the city meaning you either posses at least a university degree or in the process of finishing one and possibly on your way to grad studies .

I don't know you personally so I can only base it how you construct your arguments, what kind of political views you have and overall how you express yourself on these forums.

Let the person talk first and you can get a good impression quickly what there background is like, the overall environment they were raised in and I see you as a peer and equal .

What I should have explained earlier is its the fundamental problem when people group together or the "Herd Mentality".

The "Herd" might have good intentions, but as soon as one person or a small number of people in that group start to display negative tendencies everyone in the group gets labelled.

It has nothing to do with racism, its the fact when people group together.

As an example both Hillary and Trump have a small group of followers that instantly make the supporters of both candidates look back.

Its the same thing as I explained about Islamaphobia the majority has good intentions, but people focus on the few rather then the majority.

If your smart enough to realize it that great. But most people aren't.

Just so were clear my comment earlier wasn't that I think the majority of black people are that way.

It's just that the media, which is biased (fox news) is waiting to focus on that one person within the group...to focus on there story -> to make everyone else look bad and since most people are narrow minded they will focus on that and make the wrong conclusions.

Sorry for the confusion I thought it was clear earlier.

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@DualGemV2: No need to apologize. It's understandable, school is number 1. I hope you killed that midterm .

I'm from the city meaning. I am used to diversity, seeing people from all walks of life, etc. I don't need to draw conclusions based on my imagination/the media. I am university educated, I do have a degree & I am privileged in a lot of ways (aka educated, traveled).

I do agree there is a Herd Mentality especially when it comes to politics and political parties.

Fox News is like the worst news channel/network you can watch. CNN isn't any better but it's definitely less biased/racist. BBC is probably the way to go, I guess.

By the way I am not mad at anything you said. Some parts I disagree with you on but I like to talk/debate about things. I like to suspend judgement until I have facts too. The only time I am unreasonable is if someone is very dismissive of what I said and is mean/shady/defensive/passive aggressive. If I feel disrespected I will go in. LOL

posted November 03, 2016 11:56 AM            

I'm currently living in an area where 90% of the population has bleached, platinum, flat-ironed hair, and I let mine be long, dark, a bit wild, and curly/wavy the way it is.

Consequently, I've noticed that people look at me sometimes like "Wtf...where did this person come from?"

It is exasperating, and somewhat baffling.

I also dress just a bit differently from the status quo here, but not by much. But still I sometimes get the look of almost shock, like I showed up wearing lederhosen to a tea party.

I'm white, so obviously there's a lot of complexities that I don't have to contend with daily based on my hair style or God knows what else.

posted November 03, 2016 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
I also love big afros. I think they're beautiful, and I might stare a tiny bit because of that, but not like "Omg, how DARE you wear your hair naturally?!"

I'm currently living in an area where 90% of the population has bleached, platinum, flat-ironed hair, and I let mine be long, dark, a bit wild, and curly/wavy the way it is.

Consequently, I've noticed that people look at me sometimes like "Wtf...where did this person come from?"

It is exasperating, and somewhat baffling.

I also dress just a bit differently from the status quo here, but not by much. But still I sometimes get the look of almost shock, like I showed up wearing lederhosen to a tea party.

I'm white, so obviously there's a lot of complexities that I don't have to contend with daily based on my hair style or God knows what else.

I agree that it probably depends on where you live, though.

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