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TensionEmpire
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posted February 12, 2017 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Some quotes from Books regarding Chiron.

Zane B. Stein - Chiron

Das Schlüsselwort, welches Chiron am besten entspricht, lautet EINZELGÄNGER (engl. = maverick). Dieses Wort kam im Englischen ursprünglich con einem Mann names Samuel A. Maverick, einem amerikanischen Pionier und Viehzüchter, welcher sein Vieh, im Gegensatz zu den anderen Ranchern, nicht mit einem Brandzeichen markierte. Das Wort wurde schließlich zur Bezeichnung für denjenigen, der sich abseits von seinen Zeitgenossen stellt. Es charakterisiert ein unabhängiges Individuum, welches sich weigert, konform zu sein. Es steht für denjenigen, der sich keiner Partei, keiner Clique und keiner bestimmten Gruppe anschließt, also jemand ohne ein „eingebrandtes Herdenzeichen“, was bei dessen Zeitgenossen sonst der Fall ist. „Mavericks“ schaffen sich allzu leicht Feinde bei denen, die irgendeiner bestimmten Gruppierung angehören, denny diese Leute meinen, „wer nicht füt mich ist, der ist gegen mich.“ Was nun jedoch den Maverick anbelangt, so ist dieser weder für noch gegen ihre Prinzipien. Und das ist auch genau der Punkt, an dem sich Chiron sowohl von Saturn, als auch von Uranus unterscheidet. Saturn möchte die Tradition erhalten und traditionelle Glaubenssysteme verteidigen, er versucht eine „Wir oder Sie“ – Aufspaltung. Uranus dagegen will das Alte niederreißen, nicht selten in der Manier der Bilderstürmer. Allzu leicht kann er den Drang entwickeln, die Struktur irgendeiner Gruppe in die Luft zu sprengen. Aber Chiron, der Einzelgänger will das Bestehende weder verteidigen noch es vernichten – er steht vielmehr abseits davon.

Google translator:


The key word that best corresponds to Chiron is SINGLE (maverick). This word came originally from a man named Samuel A. Maverick, an American pioneer and cattle-breeder, who did not mark his cattle with a brand, unlike the other ranchers. The word eventually became a term for the one who stood apart from his contemporaries. It characterizes an independent individual who refuses to conform. It stands for the one who does not join a party, a clique, or a particular group, that is, someone without a "bounded herd", which is otherwise the case with his contemporaries. "Mavericks" are all too easy to create enemies among those who belong to any particular group, because these people think "who is not me, he is against me." But as for Maverick, he is neither for nor against her Principles. And this is precisely the point at which Chiron differs from both Saturn and Uranus. Saturn wants to preserve the tradition and defend traditional belief systems, he tries a "we or you" split. Uranus, on the other hand, wants to tear down the old, not infrequently in the manner of the iconoclasm. All too easily he can develop the urge to blow up the structure of any group. But Chiron, the loner does not want to defend or destroy the existing one - he stands apart from it.


Arthur Schult - Astrosophie

Er gilt als weisheitsvoller Herrscher über die späteren, wilden Kentauren und ist ein halbbruder des Zeus. Kronos-Saturn ist sein Vater. Chiron ist also ein Titan. Sein Vater Kronos-Saturn war Götterkönig im Goldenen Zeitalter. Durch seine Mutter, die Okeanide Philyra, ist er dem Ozean verwandt und hat in sich die linden und lindernden, die heiligen und heilenden Kräfte des Lindenbaumes. Denn Philyra heißt „Linde“. So ist Chiron von seiner Mutter her vertraut mit allen Heilkräften der Natur. Von seinem Vater her ist er begabt mit der Urweisheit der Titanen. Er ist Zeuge der frühesten Schöpfungstage, äonenalt, ist Meister aller Himmels- und Sternen-kunde, alles Geheimwissens, erfahren ebenso in Leierspiel und Gesang wie in der Kunst des Bogenschießens und der Waffenführung. Er erzieht und lehrt den Heilgott Asklepios, wird später auch Erzieher der meisten großen Heroen Griechenlands, so des Herakles, Theseus, Jason, Peleus und Achilles.

Google translator:

He is considered a wise ruler of the later savage Centaurs and is a half brother of Zeus. Kronos-Saturn is his father. So Chiron is a Titan. His father, Kronos-Saturn, was god-king in the Golden Age. Through his mother, the Okeanide Philyra, he is related to the ocean and has in him the linden and soothing, the holy and healing powers of the linden tree. Because Philyra is called "Linde". Thus, Chiron is familiar from his mother with all the healing powers of nature. From his father, he is endowed with the original wisdom of the Titans. He is a witness to the earliest days of the Creation, he is the master of all the heavenly and the stars, all secret knowledge, and also learns in song and song, as well as in the art of archery and gun control. He educates and teaches the god of Asclepius, later becomes the educator of most of the great heroes of Greece, such as Heracles, Theseus, Jason, Peleus, and Achilles.

Barbara Hand Clow - Quíron

A Busca do Velocino de Ouro

Iniciados, postai-vos esperando pela vossa visão da Arvore da Vida a ser introduzida em vosso corpo. Ouvi a minha historia sobre Jasao e os Argonautas. Vede com vosso olho interior para saberdes que o que vos foi contado durante muito tempo e uma mentira. Fostes impedidos de ouvir a vossa mente interior. Ensinaram-vos que existe apenas uma vida. Mas vos existíeis quando a eterna busca da Energia Dourada aconteceu. Todos nos existíamos. Eu Quiron, retornei para que possais ver e ouvir novamente.

Google translator:

The Search for the Golden Fleece

Initiates, stand waiting for your vision of the Tree of Life to be introduced into your body. I heard my story about Jason and the Argonauts. Look with your inner eye to know that what has been told to you for a long time and a lie. You were prevented from listening to your inner mind. They have taught you that there is only one life. But you existed when the eternal pursuit of the Golden Energy happened. We all existed. I Chiron, I returned so that you can see and hear again.

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posted February 12, 2017 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great info. I can relate a lot with the description, my Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the 1H opposes my Chiron and Saturn sextile Cupido inconjuncts my Chiron.

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posted February 12, 2017 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I like to see him as a wise warrior, maybe carying many scars from life.

nice that you like it hypatia! here I quotet 2 aspects that you listet.

Chiron opp. Jupiter

Estimula ao máximo a percepção oculta. Esses nativos sabem muita coisa a respeito da essência da matéria, das leis físicas do universo, e suas mentes são como raios laser perscrutando a vida. (...)


It stimulates hidden perception to the utmost. These natives know a great deal about the essence of matter, about the physical laws of the universe, and their minds are like laser beams probing life.

Barbara H. C.


Este é um aspecto de muita intensidade que ou queima o nativo ou o impulsiona a grandes níveis transmutativos. (...)


This is an aspect of much intensity that either burns the native or boosts it to large transmutative levels.

Barbara H. C.


(...) Das einzige, was ich bis jetzt dazu sagen kann, ist, daß diese Menschen geistreich sind, und daß es für sie von allergrößter Wichtigkeit ist, zu wissen, daß ihre Unabhängigkeit und Individualität nicht bedroht wird. (...)


The only thing I can say so far is that these men are wise, and that it is of the utmost importance for them to know that their independence and individuality are not threatened.

Zane B. Stein

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posted February 15, 2017 01:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bumping so people learn more about Chiron.

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posted February 15, 2017 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think the notion of Chiron as maverick also has to do with his lineage in mythology being different from that of other centaurs. Wikipedia gives a good summary:

Like satyrs, centaurs were notorious for being wild, lusty, overly indulgent drinkers and carousers, violent when intoxicated, and generally uncultured delinquents. Chiron, by contrast, was intelligent, civilized and kind, but he was not related directly to the other centaurs.[4] He was known for his knowledge and skill with medicine. According to an archaic myth,[5] he was sired by the Titan Cronus when he had taken the form of a horse[6] and impregnated the nymph Philyra.[7] Chiron's lineage was different from other centaurs, who were born of sun and rain cloud, rendered by Greeks of the Classic period as from the union of the king Ixion, consigned to a fiery wheel, and Nephele ("cloud"), which in the Olympian telling Zeus invented to look like Hera. Myths in the Olympian tradition attributed Chiron's uniquely peaceful character and intelligence to Apollo and Artemis teaching him in his younger days. Some sources speculate that Chiron was originally a Thessalian god, later subsumed into the Greek pantheon as a centaur.[

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posted February 16, 2017 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can identify with this. Chiron conjunct sun.

I also feel like I've had this exercised a lot, standing apart, as my extended families are different as I guess many are but for whatever reason I've felt that constant need to change my views from one to the other, to hold conflicting views, to relinquish any partisan. One of my families is saturnine and one Uranian too funnily enough.

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posted February 16, 2017 08:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think Chiron should really fit it's house, in terms of one's greatest pain. If not, the time of birth may be wrong.

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posted February 16, 2017 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by sashavittoria:
I think the notion of Chiron as maverick also has to do with his lineage in mythology being different from that of other centaurs. Wikipedia gives a good summary:

Like satyrs, centaurs were notorious for being wild, lusty, overly indulgent drinkers and carousers, violent when intoxicated, and generally uncultured delinquents. Chiron, by contrast, was intelligent, civilized and kind, but he was not related directly to the other centaurs.[4] He was known for his knowledge and skill with medicine. According to an archaic myth,[5] he was sired by the Titan Cronus when he had taken the form of a horse[6] and impregnated the nymph Philyra.[7] Chiron's lineage was different from other centaurs, who were born of sun and rain cloud, rendered by Greeks of the Classic period as from the union of the king Ixion, consigned to a fiery wheel, and Nephele ("cloud"), which in the Olympian telling Zeus invented to look like Hera. Myths in the Olympian tradition attributed Chiron's uniquely peaceful character and intelligence to Apollo and Artemis teaching him in his younger days. Some sources speculate that Chiron was originally a Thessalian god, later subsumed into the Greek pantheon as a centaur.[



Yes like Sagitarius, Chiron was a different Centaur.

"Dieser geflügelte Kentaur darf nicht mit den späteren griechischen Kentauren, jenen wilden Halbtiermenschen, verwechselt werden, die jedem Gelüst anch Wein, Weib und Streit zügellos nachgeben."

"This Winged Centaur must not be confounded with the later Greek Centaurs, that wild half-beast-man, who surrender unrestrainedly to wine, women, and strife."

*Winged Centaur is refered to Sagitarius.

-Arthur schult . Astrosophie

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posted February 16, 2017 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by florence:
I can identify with this. Chiron conjunct sun.

I also feel like I've had this exercised a lot, standing apart, as my extended families are different as I guess many are but for whatever reason I've felt that constant need to change my views from one to the other, to hold conflicting views, to relinquish any partisan. One of my families is saturnine and one Uranian too funnily enough.


Hey nice, i have it cnj. Mercury, i think I walso would not want to mark my Cattle
I don`t know if you wan`t to read it, but i quoted this phrases about Chiron - Sun:

(...)"Sie verfügen über die Fähigkeit, hinter die Barrieren zu blicken, vor denen die anderen Halt machen. Dadurch können sie die außergewöhnlichsten Elemente, über deren Verbindung die anderen noch nicht einmal nachgedacht haben, zusammenbringen. Sie nehmen sich gerne der Probleme ihrer Mitmenschen an und teilen diese gerne in zwei Gruppen ein - solche, die einen mögen und solche, die einen nicht mögen (d.h. entweder du magst die Person mit dieser Konjunktion oder nicht, dazwischen gibt es nichts)."


(...)"They have the ability to look beyond the barriers that the others are holding(here i have to correct, they don´t hold the barrier, the others stop in front of it), so they can bring together the most extraordinary elements that others have not even thought about, and they are happy to accept the problems of their fellow human beings They like to divide them into two groups - those who like one and those who do not like you (ie either you like the person with this conjunction or not, there is nothing in between). "

Zane B. Stein - Chiron

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posted February 16, 2017 02:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think Chiron should really fit it's house, in terms of one's greatest pain. If not, the time of birth may be wrong.



Hey Ami, I quoted some phrases that I thought could indicate "greatest pain".

"(...)wichtige Lektionen, die man erlernen muß(...)"


"(...) important lessons that must be learned (...)"

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"(...)Sie deutet auch auf einen Problembereich, in dem sich die Energien der Saturn/Uranus-Halbsumme am besten konzentrieren lassen, selbst dann, wenn es keine eindeutige Winkelbeziehung Chirons zu diesem sensitiven Punkt gibt.(...)"


"(...) It also points to a problem area in which the energies of the Saturn / Uranus half-sum can be best concentrated, even if there is no clear angular relation of Chiron to this sensitive point.

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"(...) Dies ist jenes Feld, in dem der größte Brennpunkt für Heilung und Ganzwerdung liegt. (...)"


"(...) This is the field where the greatest focal point for healing and becoming whole is (...)"

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"(...) Im Rahmen dieses Feldes wird man am ehesten Einzelgänger-Standpunkte vertreten - an Ideen glauben, die sich nicht in die ge#sellschaftlich akzeptierten Vorstellungen einpassen, allerdings ohne das Interesse, diese beseitigen zu wollen.(...)"


"(...) In the context of this field, one will most likely be representing the standpoint of individualists - believing in ideas that do not fit into the accepted social conceptions, but without interest in eliminating them. "

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"(...) Schließlich passen sich die Ereignisse in diesem Feld häufig nicht den bisherigen Umständen und Regeln an; oft sind sie von einer Wesensart, die völlig ohne jeden Bezug zu allen früheren Erfahrungen steht.(...)"


"(...) Finally, the events in this field often do not adapt to the circumstances and rules so far, and often they are of a nature that is completely without reference to all past experiences.

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And here I quoted something that I found interesting.

"(...) Noch ein paar andere Möglichkeiten sollten mit in Erwägung gezogen werden, obwohl sie bislang noch nicht näher erforscht wurden. Eventueall verändert sich die spezifische Bedeutung von Chiron, je nachdem in welchem Abschnitt seiner Umlaufbahn er sich gerade befindet. Wenn Chiron beispielsweise in der Waage steht, dann erreicht er die größte Sonnennähe und kreuzt sogar die Bahn von Saturn. Ist es möglich, daß die Nähe Saturns der Felderenergie ene andere Bedeutung verleiht, als wenn er sich, sagen wir mal, im WIdder befindet, also dem Zeichen, wo er der Uranusbahn am nächsten kommt.(...)"


"(...) A few other possibilities should be taken into consideration, although they have not yet been explored so far, and Chiron, depending on the section of his orbit, is changing the specific meaning of Chiron For example, in the balance(Libra), it reaches the greatest distance to the sun, and even traverses the orbit of Saturn. Is it possible that the proximity of Saturn gives the field energy a different meaning than when it is in the wind(Aries), say Sign where he comes closest to the Uranus railway. (...) "


*All are quotes from Zane B. Stein - Chiron

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posted February 18, 2017 11:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I think Chiron should really fit it's house, in terms of one's greatest pain. If not, the time of birth may be wrong.

I'm having trouble seeing how my Chiron in Leo manifests in its 2nd house placement. To me it seems to have more to do with self-worth than with material possessions. ??

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posted February 19, 2017 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, i don't see the 2nd house as self worth, but some people do. IF you have not had financial struggles, I would propose that your time of birth may be wrong. Do you relate to the 1st or 3rd House Chiron, S?

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posted February 19, 2017 10:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The second house does deal with self worth, the value you put on yourself, you may feel insecure about your skills. You may feel not worthy and feel uncomfortable when people give you gifts or buying yourself nice things. I wouldn't rectify my chart just bc of chiron alone.

What aspects does your chiron make? Also Chiron is the area were we help others heal....

With chiron in Leo perhaps when you are not earning enough it hurts your ego or self worth maybe..

Maybe you want to be leader in finances or make money acting or having a small business but this does not materialize, like you wish you could make money out of your creativity or ideas but this doesn't work out well when you go that route...

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posted February 19, 2017 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by sashavittoria:
I'm having trouble seeing how my Chiron in Leo manifests in its 2nd house placement. To me it seems to have more to do with self-worth than with material possessions. ??


On a positive note I could see how Chiron in Leo in the 2H could lead to you choosing a career path were you make a living helping women who are having issues conceiving conceive and get pregnant.

Or you could have issues yourself conceiving and it affects your self worth till you heal this wound and then you can help others too heal in that regard.

Or it can manifest by you making a living teaching disabled children or as a child therapist.

It can manifest in many ways...

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posted February 19, 2017 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Fascinating article

I have to agree with what Ken Ward uses as key words for Chiron on his page;

*to teach
*to unlock
*to find what is essential
*to reconcile opposites (shaman)
*to heal holistically

[https://trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/LearningAstrology/signsChiron.htm]

Wherever we find Chiron is where we have the capacity to do some/all of the above.

If Chiron is aspecting a personal planet or is in a sign that duplicates a theme in your chart, its expression is inextricably linked to the energies of those planets interacting with each other-by square, conjunction or opposition.

I have Chiron in the 2nd house for instance. And my sense of self-worth(2nd) is tied into being a peace-maker and someone who brings about healing(Chiron) in a practical and permanent way(Taurus).

I never knew where that came from and always assigned it to Mars in Libra/Venus in 7th dynamic. But with Chiron in 2nd, I think this could the link.

Add to this, Chiron is in-conjunct Sun and Neptune exact. And so it encourages the ego to be passive,mild and sensitive to areas that the Sun is in(9th) and rules(5th). As well as where Neptune is in(9th) and rules(12th)

So if your have Chiron in Aries for instance, your healing capacity could be tied into bringing about the true understanding of masculine energy and what being true to oneself means.

If you have Chiron in Gemini,you can clear confusion, misunderstandings and rid gossip mongering with your ability to communicate truthfully and insight-fully etc.

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posted February 19, 2017 03:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for nordicsoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Fascinating article


*to teach
*to unlock
*to find what is essential
*to reconcile opposites (shaman)
*to heal holistically


So if your have Chiron in Aries for instance, your healing capacity could be tied into bringing about the true understanding of masculine energy and what being true to oneself means.


I have chiron in aries and it just resonates with some of the conversation we had in the other thread.

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posted February 19, 2017 03:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@sashavittoria

Hey I`ll quote the first phrase of Quíron in Leo and part of the last paragraph from the book of Barbara H.C.


"Quando Quíron está em Leao existe uma grande crise do ego que irá aperfeicoar gradualmente o nativo até a maestria da vontade."


"When Chiron is in Leo there is a great ego crisis that will gradually improve the native to the mastery of the will."

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"Os nativos com Quiron em Leao nasceram entre 1941 e 1943. Experimentaram seus retornos de Urano em 1981-84 e tem realmente trazido seus dons a tona. Em meus arquivos ha tres clientues com Quiron em Leao na 2 Casa. Um deles é um terapeuta corporal, outro um conhecido teologo e o terceiro um musico famoso. Todos os tres deixam as outras pessoas confusas porque recentemente ficaram destituidos de ego. Suas profissoes sao o seu dom, nao estao apegados."


"The natives with Quiron in Leao were born between 1941 and 1943. They have experienced their returns from Uranus in 1981-84 and have actually brought their gifts to the fore.In my files there are three clients with Quiron in Leao in the 2nd House One of them is a therapist The other a famous theologian, and the third a famous musician.All three leave other people confused because they have recently been devoid of ego.His professions are their gift, they are not attached.


It seems that Nostradamus has Quiron in Leo.

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posted February 19, 2017 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for hypatia238     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

So if your have Chiron in Aries for instance, your healing capacity could be tied into bringing about the true understanding of masculine energy and what being true to oneself means.

If you have Chiron in Gemini,you can clear confusion, misunderstandings and rid gossip mongering with your ability to communicate truthfully and insight-fully etc.


Wow I love these interpretations, my chiron is feeling good for once lol...

The Aries one sounds so bad as too!

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posted February 22, 2017 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sashavittoria     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, I REALLY identify with hypatia's and TensionEmpire's interpretations. Makes more sense now:

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Originally posted by hypatia:
The second house does deal with self worth, the value you put on yourself, you may feel insecure about your skills. You may feel not worthy and feel uncomfortable when people give you gifts or buying yourself nice things. I wouldn't rectify my chart just bc of chiron alone.

...

Maybe you want to be leader in finances or make money acting or having a small business but this does not materialize, like you wish you could make money out of your creativity or ideas but this doesn't work out well when you go that route...


Self-worth is something I struggled to define, just philosophically, for a long time. And now I definitely use what I learned to try and "heal" others. And feeling insecure about my creative skills - YES. But also, who doesn't? lol. I really hope I can make money from them... D:

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Originally posted by TensionEmpire:

"When Chiron is in Leo there is a great ego crisis that will gradually improve the native to the mastery of the will."

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..."The natives with Quiron in Leao were born between 1941 and 1943. They have experienced their returns from Uranus in 1981-84 and have actually brought their gifts to the fore.In my files there are three clients with Quiron in Leao in the 2nd House One of them is a therapist The other a famous theologian, and the third a famous musician.All three leave other people confused because they have recently been devoid of ego.His professions are their gift, they are not attached.


Ego crisis, trying to master the will - CHECK. And being detached from ego/skills - YES.

Tell me more about your Chirons!! How do they manifest?? I'm fascinated by Chiron.

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posted February 22, 2017 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for florence     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for that quote, Tension. It's something I've not read before but is v true of my experience

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

If you have Chiron in Gemini,you can clear confusion, misunderstandings and rid gossip mongering with your ability to communicate truthfully and insight-fully etc.[/B]


Oh I love this interpretation of Chiron in Gemini! Thanks for this, Aries23Degrees!

This describes what I like to offer when people need me for help. I would be like a good counselor or a therapist for them. I do this a lot at work too and people think I've been professionally trained for this but nope! I just knew how to be a counselor naturally.

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posted February 23, 2017 12:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for sharing Tension Empire

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TensionEmpire
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posted February 25, 2017 03:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for TensionEmpire     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good that you liked it, my pleasure!

yeah I like Kiron too..

I have it cnj. Mercury, it makes me have a sharp Mind, I have eaven read something like ``talking to the gods``

And I believe it is a actuall topic, nowadays where people let them be marked so easely...

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